CFZ When Dak and Amari Played Together

[Havic]

The amari cooper that arrived was not the same version that was traded. Few understand this.

 

[khiladi]

Dak still sucked with Amari against zone coverage.

https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com...-amari-cooper-face-challenge-with-colts-zone/

Having Cooper as a weapon against man defenses has improved the entire offense, as Prescott’s game has been elevated to new heights against man defenses, including a 48-point jump in IQR.

	Comp %	Y/A	TD	INT	IQR
Pre Amari	52%	6.2	3	3	71
With Amari	61%	8.8	8	1	119

Despite this massive jump in production against man defense, Prescott has not had nearly as much success against a zone defense and his IQR has dropped from 100 to 84 with Cooper on the roster. Though he has an 80 percent completion percentage versus zones, it’s almost entirely short-pass based. He has no touchdowns and two interceptions on 91 attempts.

That's why they then proceeded to get shut out against the Colts in 2018.

 

[Creeper]

I have no issue with the Cowboys getting rid of Cooper. You have to at least to get better. It was a bad trade but I applaud them for recognizing that Cooper was not worth his contract.

The problem was thinking they could replace him with no one.

 

[khiladi]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...hould-take-half-the-field-with-him-on-routes/

"Amari Cooper should take half the field with him when he runs a route," Jones said during his weekly radio appearance, per The Athletic's Jon Machota. "A whole bunch of that defense ought to have to honor Cooper. He ought to be able to catch it in the middle when they're going with him. Others do. You throw to people that are covered all the time."

So does Amari throw the ball?

Jerry doesn't seem to be the smartest tool in the shed when he's trying to defend his Jason Garrett of QBs training project, because this reads pretty much that Dak should be throwing it to Amari, even when he's covered.

 

[EST_1986]

In Zeke's last 50 carries he had something like 90 yards. Easy to replace. Not to mention, he is a terrible center.

10 more pounds and an off-season he could be the next Travis Frederick

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Sometimes you do have to run when they know you are gonna run if you plan on staying balanced it’s inevitable

Nope. You don't need balance by volume. The only balance that matters is that you exploit numbers mismatches to run.

You should NEVER run into a negative front.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

How did CeeDee Lamb and the rest of the receivers do? Should they all be cut or traded as well? I’m gonna guess your answer will be different.

Not at all but Lamb has shown up in big games and is on his rookie deal.

 

[Stash]

Not at all but Lamb has shown up in big games and is on his rookie deal.

He’s “shown up” less than Cooper, whom you claimed “sucked”. This is the double standard I was expecting.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He’s “shown up” less than Cooper, whom you claimed “sucked”. This is the double standard I was expecting.

There’s no double standard I had an issue with him too but this year he changed my mind. He showed up this year.

 

[plasticman]

I think many of you are mistaking my intentions. There is a very interesting thread about which new player will make the greatest impact and this is a more detailed reason as to why it will be Brandin Cooks.

It doesn't have to be Amari, it just can't be CeeDee alone

There has to be at least two legitimate receiving threats that defenses have to be concerned about. The Eagles certainly understood that

It wasn't just about Amari when he was here. However, his presence opened up other receivers that had the skill to capitalize. Remember, Gallup had a 1000 yard season in 2019 and almost again in 2020.

In 2019 the ball was distributed to more receivers like Wilson and Schultz, in part because of the coverage given Amari. He was indirectly responsible for Wilson's contract with the Dolphins.

If Cooks can earn some respect from defenses then it will result in a more productive Dak, this is what I wanted to show

I realize there are differing opinions on the subject of Dak and Amari but the facts are undeniable. Dak was a better QB with Amari on the field. he has returned to the pre-Amari numbers that originally promoted the trade for Cooper and created the need to get Cooks.

 

[eromeopolk]

Prior to the 2018 trade for Amari Cooper midway through the season, Dak Prescott's QB rating was 87.4 and the Cowboys record was 3-4. The Cowboys would use Amari to go on a 7-2 run to end up 10-6.

Dak and Amari played in 43 regular season games together. Dak has a combined passer rating of 103.5 in those games. If that were his career number then he would be the 3rd highest rated QB in NFL history behind only Mahomes and one tenth of a point behind Aaron Rodgers.

He completed 68% of his passes with a TD/INT ratio of 3.3 to 1.

Last season, Dak's passer rating was 91.1, almost down to the passer rating he had in the first half of the 2018 season prior to Amari's arrival.

This past season, Dak's TD/INT ratio was 1.5 to 1, cut by more than half from where it was when Amari was a Cowboy.

I'm not saying that this was the only factor in Dak's drop in efficiency and I realize that passer ratings aren't the "tell all" stat when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks.

However, should this information be ignored, disregarded?

Jerry has a history of replacing highly productive players that reach free agency with minimal value draft picks and free agents. His has never been successful, in fact, it is typically the opposite and results in a complete disaster.

Jerry thought he could replace the record holder for most rushing yards in a season, DeMarco Murray with a big mouth, no talent Joseph Randle. He thought he could replace Amari with a rookie 3rd round pick and low-production oft injured free agent.

Now Zeke is gone and, yes, I agree, his productivity had declined sharply. However, do the Cowboys even have another RB capable of producing Zeke's numbers from last season? just as it was in Amari's case, Jerry's solution is a low draft pick and a no-name veteran.

At this point how much trust has this franchise's management earned?

Yes, Jerry Dumbo GM Jones. He destroyed a Dynasty in 2 years that should have lasted for 20 years.

Like his wife said regarding firing Jimmy Johnson "can't leave well enough alone".

 

[CowboyRoy]

Prior to the 2018 trade for Amari Cooper midway through the season, Dak Prescott's QB rating was 87.4 and the Cowboys record was 3-4. The Cowboys would use Amari to go on a 7-2 run to end up 10-6.

Dak and Amari played in 43 regular season games together. Dak has a combined passer rating of 103.5 in those games. If that were his career number then he would be the 3rd highest rated QB in NFL history behind only Mahomes and one tenth of a point behind Aaron Rodgers.

He completed 68% of his passes with a TD/INT ratio of 3.3 to 1.

Last season, Dak's passer rating was 91.1, almost down to the passer rating he had in the first half of the 2018 season prior to Amari's arrival.

This past season, Dak's TD/INT ratio was 1.5 to 1, cut by more than half from where it was when Amari was a Cowboy.

I'm not saying that this was the only factor in Dak's drop in efficiency and I realize that passer ratings aren't the "tell all" stat when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks.

However, should this information be ignored, disregarded?

Jerry has a history of replacing highly productive players that reach free agency with minimal value draft picks and free agents. His has never been successful, in fact, it is typically the opposite and results in a complete disaster.

Jerry thought he could replace the record holder for most rushing yards in a season, DeMarco Murray with a big mouth, no talent Joseph Randle. He thought he could replace Amari with a rookie 3rd round pick and low-production oft injured free agent.

Now Zeke is gone and, yes, I agree, his productivity had declined sharply. However, do the Cowboys even have another RB capable of producing Zeke's numbers from last season? just as it was in Amari's case, Jerry's solution is a low draft pick and a no-name veteran.

At this point how much trust has this franchise's management earned?

One season doesn't prove much. Its like you made your own biased conclusion then went looking for weak cherry picking stats to promote your agenda.

Fact remains the team made it farther without cooper than with him. Getting rid of cooper was 100% the right move.

 

[Stash]

There’s no double standard I had an issue with him too but this year he changed my mind. He showed up this year.

There’s absolutely a double standard, whether you admit it or not.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Rushing for 1 yard TD's will tend to lower the average. He did that twice in his last 50 carries

Zeke was placed in more short yardage situations like the redzone or on 3rd and short.

However, you are confident that the rookie free agent will have no problem getting those yards....

I'm not defending Zeke, I'm just wondering if anyone remembers what it was like in short yardage situations before Zeke. I'm not sure some do.

Bwaaaaaa!!!

Yah all those 1 yard gimme tds he vultured because he couldnt score himself?

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think many of you are mistaking my intentions. There is a very interesting thread about which new player will make the greatest impact and this is a more detailed reason as to why it will be Brandin Cooks.

It doesn't have to be Amari, it just can't be CeeDee alone

There has to be at least two legitimate receiving threats that defenses have to be concerned about. The Eagles certainly understood that

It wasn't just about Amari when he was here. However, his presence opened up other receivers that had the skill to capitalize. Remember, Gallup had a 1000 yard season in 2019 and almost again in 2020.

In 2019 the ball was distributed to more receivers like Wilson and Schultz, in part because of the coverage given Amari. He was indirectly responsible for Wilson's contract with the Dolphins.

If Cooks can earn some respect from defenses then it will result in a more productive Dak, this is what I wanted to show

I realize there are differing opinions on the subject of Dak and Amari but the facts are undeniable. Dak was a better QB with Amari on the field. he has returned to the pre-Amari numbers that originally promoted the trade for Cooper and created the need to get Cooks.

The team was better without cooper. Undeniable. And just look at where the money is going this year.

Gillmore and cooks.

Bye cooper, no thanks.

 

[conner01]

Nope. You don't need balance by volume. The only balance that matters is that you exploit numbers mismatches to run.

You should NEVER run into a negative front.

So if it’s 3rd and 1 you pass every time?

 

[JD_KaPow]

Rushing for 1 yard TD's will tend to lower the average. He did that twice in his last 50 carries

Zeke was placed in more short yardage situations like the redzone or on 3rd and short.

However, you are confident that the rookie free agent will have no problem getting those yards....

I'm not defending Zeke, I'm just wondering if anyone remembers what it was like in short yardage situations before Zeke. I'm not sure some do.

Yes, 48 rushes for 98 yards is much better than 50 for 100.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

There’s absolutely a double standard, whether you admit it or not.

How is there a double standard if I told you I had an issue with Lamb too? The fact we paid 100 million for Coop and Lamb is on his rookie deal and they have the same expectations says it all.

 

[Rockport]

Prior to the 2018 trade for Amari Cooper midway through the season, Dak Prescott's QB rating was 87.4 and the Cowboys record was 3-4. The Cowboys would use Amari to go on a 7-2 run to end up 10-6.

Dak and Amari played in 43 regular season games together. Dak has a combined passer rating of 103.5 in those games. If that were his career number then he would be the 3rd highest rated QB in NFL history behind only Mahomes and one tenth of a point behind Aaron Rodgers.

He completed 68% of his passes with a TD/INT ratio of 3.3 to 1.

Last season, Dak's passer rating was 91.1, almost down to the passer rating he had in the first half of the 2018 season prior to Amari's arrival.

This past season, Dak's TD/INT ratio was 1.5 to 1, cut by more than half from where it was when Amari was a Cowboy.

I'm not saying that this was the only factor in Dak's drop in efficiency and I realize that passer ratings aren't the "tell all" stat when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks.

However, should this information be ignored, disregarded?

Jerry has a history of replacing highly productive players that reach free agency with minimal value draft picks and free agents. His has never been successful, in fact, it is typically the opposite and results in a complete disaster.

Jerry thought he could replace the record holder for most rushing yards in a season, DeMarco Murray with a big mouth, no talent Joseph Randle. He thought he could replace Amari with a rookie 3rd round pick and low-production oft injured free agent.

Now Zeke is gone and, yes, I agree, his productivity had declined sharply. However, do the Cowboys even have another RB capable of producing Zeke's numbers from last season? just as it was in Amari's case, Jerry's solution is a low draft pick and a no-name veteran.

At this point how much trust has this franchise's management earned?

They certainly need to do some work on the offense before the season starts. Cooper is a top 5 NFL WR. No surprise the fall off after Jones let him go for nothing.

 

[Stash]

How is there a double standard if I told you I had an issue with Lamb too? The fact we paid 100 million for Coop and Lamb is on his rookie deal and they have the same expectations says it all.

No. You’re not going to move the goalposts now.

You said Cooper “sucked” in big games while giving Lamb a pass for the same numbers.

Money wasn’t mentioned.

Double standard.