When Did You Realize Drew Was Done???

[big dog cowboy]

His last year in Buffalo.

That was my choice also.

It's amazing to me the people who thought that he would put on a helmet with a star on the side of it and would suddenly start playing better.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

When they benched him.

:laugh2:

for me it was when BP 1st said a couple of weeks ago, mind you he said this twice ultimately, but anyways, when he said that Drew needed to protect the football, I wasn't really expecting ROmo to come in after that INT at the goalline, but when he did, I wasn't suprised in the least bit

 

[chinch]

Hey, you might want to ask before you decide what I think and feel.

Fact is, I was the biggest Parcells' fan on the planet. I have his last book. I used to talk to one of my customers ALL the time about Parcells because he was hired to ref the Giant practices.

So, sorry genius...I truly liked Parcells. The game plan vs the Bills in the super bowl was brilliant. And to what degree that was credited to Belichick doesn't really matter. Parcells was the guy who hired him and tutored him.

Fact of the matter is, where Parcells was once confident, he has now become arrogant. Fact is, where he once stood by his convictions, he is now stubborn.

Go talk to LTN about Parcells. She's a huge fan. And she'll tell ya, this ain't the same coach.

So give it a rest before you speak for me next time, ok?

glad to know you and barb are the two definitive tuna experts online. LOL. Your FACTS sure sounds like opinion and others might say nonsensical but opinion nonetheless. certainly NOT "fact"

as for the speaking for you... nope.

 

[Tripod]

Buffalo fans throwing a party when he left may have been a clue:laugh2:

ikn

Brilliant of them. Bills have gone 6-16 since he left with their new brilliant young mobile QB....

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I'd guess I've been telling people how overrated he is and that he'd never win the Super Bowl since around 1996 or so.

 

[Tripod]

Hindsight is 20/20. Seems everyone knew Bledsoe was done loooong ago!

If he floats the pass to Glenn in the corner instead we're probably 4-2, leaders of the NFC east, and Bledsoe is preparing to take it to Carolina with an entire zone fandom juiced for the Sunday night game.

Instead, Everyone knows he was done long ago....

This place is hilarious. It's not a fan message board, it's a psych ward.

 

[EastDallasCowboy]

I have a hard time deciding where my denial set in, to be honest.

But I remembered being pretty damn frustrated with him last year when twice a game he would throw a couple passes a game at the feet of a wide-open reciever.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

glad to know you and barb are the two definitive tuna experts online. LOL. Your FACTS sure sounds like opinion and others might say nonsensical but opinion nonetheless. certainly NOT "fact"

We're not anything like 'definitive Tuna experts', but we've just watched himmore closely over the years than a lot of fans.

For me, it's been as an unabashed admirer; for Juke there has been the vantage point of a New Yorker.

No, I don't think Bill is the coach he was when he coached the Pats or Jets or Jints.

But I attribute his lessening of energy to normal aging, and his personnel struggles, scheming to not being able to put together a staff quite the quality he had elsewhere. I also think he had a tougher job in Dallas than he had with the Jets..or even the Pats...in many ways.

I always thought a certain amount of 'arrogance' was part of Bill's persona, and I have enjoyed it as much as his sarcasm and wit. There has been a notable decline of his sidelines coaching energy , but I expect that at age 65.

My concern is how much the process from pre-draft scouting concerns thru min-camps thru camp thru preseason games thru the grueling regular season take on Parcells. Because he is a man who cannot live without football, I must admit I worry about it killing him.

Bill has said often enough that coaching is a young man's game..it it his inabilty to leave that game that keeps him hanging on. But that is a decision made from a sort ofweakness, not strength. I suppose it's like staying with a partner you don't really love, but are afraid to leave.

I hope Bill coaches next year, but if he doesn't, I will understand why..nothing hit it home to me in that article as much as his worry about having the 'game quitters' on the team, the guys more concerned about public perception than winning, the ones who would quit in little imperceptible ways all thru the game, in ways most onlookers wouldn' see or understand. But Bill - who has coached every single position on the team, would see them all. Inability to rectify it would, I can see, suck the life out of any coach.

That, I think now, must be at least one of the 'differences' between Bill's stint in Dallas and his previous three. He must have found it easier to weed those types out, or coach it out of them than he does now, at age 65. I do know is conditioning program is aimed to nullify that trait, psychologically as well as physically.

And it might not even be about Bill, it might be a generational transition in player motivation or prior training...one that younger coaches may be better able to remedy.

Parcells is still Parcells..wily, flexible enough despite his age, smart, dedicated, charismatic, and deeply knowledgable about what makes people tick. But few people are at 65 what they were at 45, or 55, I'd wager. He's far from doddering or approaching senility, but Bill isn't immune from the effects of time, either.

 

[Juke99]

We're not anything like 'definitive Tuna experts', but we've just watched himmore closely over the years than a lot of fans.

For me, it's been as an unabashed admirer; for Juke there has been the vantage point of a New Yorker.

No, I don't think Bill is the coach he was when he coached the Pats or Jets or Jints.

But I attribute his lessening of energy to normal aging, and his personnel struggles, scheming to not being able to put together a staff quite the quality he had elsewhere. I also think he had a tougher job in Dallas than he had with the Jets..or even the Pats...in many ways.

I always thought a certain amount of 'arrogance' was part of Bill's persona, and I have enjoyed it as much as his sarcasm and wit. There has been a notable decline of his sidelines coaching energy , but I expect that at age 65.

My concern is how much the process from pre-draft scouting concerns thru min-camps thru camp thru preseason games thru the grueling regular season take on Parcells. Because he is a man who cannot live without football, I must admit I worry about it killing him.

Bill has said often enough that coaching is a young man's game..it it his inabilty to leave that game that keeps him hanging on. But that is a decision made from a sort ofweakness, not strength. I suppose it's like staying with a partner you don't really love, but are afraid to leave.

I hope Bill coaches next year, but if he doesn't, I will understand why..nothing hit it home to me in that article as much as his worry about having the 'game quitters' on the team, the guys more concerned about public perception than winning, the ones who would quit in little imperceptible ways all thru the game, in ways most onlookers wouldn' see or understand. But Bill - who has coached every single position on the team, would see them all. Inability to rectify it would, I can see, suck the life out of any coach.

That, I think now, must be at least one of the 'differences' between Bill's stint in Dallas and his previous three. He must have found it easier to weed those types out, or coach it out of them than he does now, at age 65. I do know is conditioning program is aimed to nullify that trait, psychologically as well as physically.

And it might not even be about Bill, it might be a generational transition in player motivation or prior training...one that younger coaches may be better able to remedy.

Parcells is still Parcells..wily, flexible enough despite his age, smart, dedicated, charismatic, and deeply knowledgable about what makes people tick. But few people are at 65 what they were at 45, or 55, I'd wager. He's far from doddering or approaching senility, but Bill isn't immune from the effects of time, either.

Brilliant wonderful stuff. Thank you.

There is no bigger fan on the PLANET of Muhammad Ali than me. None.

And ya know what, he stunk at the end. Plain and simple. Didn't change my admiration for him. It's just a natural fact of the universe.

John Fogerty is a favorite of mine. He was my first influence on guitar. Paul McCartney. Same deal. Neither one of them has put out a decent piece of music in years.

Doesn't change what they accomplished in the past.

I admire McCartney for still being at it. I think it's amazing a guy of his age is doing what he's doing. But he's no longer a force in the music business. That's just a fact.

Bill Parcells is amazing to be doing what he's doing at his age. But that doesn't mean he's the Hall of Fame coach he was. Does he deserve induction into the Hall of Fame? Absolutely. Is he coaching at a Hall of Fame level now? No way.

It's just the natural order of things.

 

[Kilyin]

Agree on BOTH points!

Bledsoe will be back in 2007 leading a new team....DONE DEAL....

You're out of your mind, but that isn't exactly a revelation. Bledsoe is done. There is no team out there stupid enough to sign him as a starter. If he gets a job, it's as a backup, and I don't think his unwarranted ego would accept that.

I see you also missed Rack's sarcasm. The simple truth is, there is no Oline in the league that can protect Drew Bledsoe. Peyton Manning makes his line look good because he gets rid of the ball quickly. Bledsoe sits back there holding and patting the ball, and when you do that, you're going to get sacked, alot. That's why every line that Bledsoe has played behind has been under fire. He's a liability, a weakness, and a turnover machine with an uncanny ability to make any OL look subpar. I hope I never see him on the field again playing for this team.

 

[Kilyin]

Oh man I just can't believe some of this stuff...


would someone who knows how please pull up the threads from just before we got Bledsoe...

see what ole Zaxor was saying...and just how many people where calling him an idiot...I want names dagnabit :laugh2:

I was right there with ya man.

Anyone seen big_neil? Maybe King Tuna has.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

The simple truth is, there is no Oline in the league that can protect Drew Bledsoe.

Anyone see Shefter's column at nfl.com this week?

He said one of his FO sources termed Bledsoe "unprotectable".

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Anyone see Shefter's column at nfl.com this week?

He said one of his FO sources termed Bledsoe "unprotectable".

I thought it was just having Torrin Tucker and Rob Pettiti as his bookends at OT

 

[Kilyin]

I thought it was just having Torrin Tucker and Rob Pettiti as his bookends at OT

That certainly didn't help matters. Two of the worst tackles in football, paired with one of the most sack prone QBs in the NFL. There's no other explanation for Phillip Daniels getting 4 sacks in one game. In only one game, he racked up more sacks than he had in his entire mediocre career.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

In only one game, he racked up more sacks than he had in his entire mediocre career.

:laugh1: that was a sad day for sure

 

[sonnyboy]

I was very dissapointed with the Jacksonville game. Saw a lot of things I just did not like.
I made up my mind proir to the Eagles game. Felt we could and would win with himbut just felt we had a better shot with Romo.
The eagle game clinched for me.

With all that said, I was very impressed with Bledsoe's 2005 performance. I surprised how many of you guys disregard the season he had for us. That was close to a pro bowl season.

That's why I was so dead set on Romo starting. When I objectively looked at Bledsoes 2006 play, it wasn't even close to 2005.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I thought it was just having Torrin Tucker and Rob Pettiti as his bookends at OT

Of course, we fans know better than anyone that Bledsoe is hard to protect. But it still came as a jolt to me to see that word in the adjectival form: "unprotectable".

But within a few hours, I saw it yet again.

Winicki was using it.
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Bledsoe, Porter likely to be job hunting in '07

By Adam Schefter
NFL Analyst

Adam Schefter's "Around the League" reports and commentaries can be seen regularly on NFL Total Access.

(Oct. 25, 2006) -- Much to his disappointment and displeasure, Drew Bledsoe finds himself just where he was six years ago, only this time it's in Dallas instead of New England.

Bledsoe has been dropped on the depth chart, behind a younger quarterback, hiding his true feelings like he would a game plan.

No matter what he says, Bledsoe isn't any happier now than he was when he was benched in 2001, when Tom Brady supplanted him as the Patriots starting quarterback.

But Bledsoe was the good solider then, and he will be the good solider now, as he already demonstrated when he met with Cowboys coach Bill Parcells.

After Parcells delivered the news of the demotion to Bledsoe, the Cowboys coach said the veteran quarterback told him: "Don't worry about me. I'm going to stick to my business." And Parcells said, "I knew what he was talking about."


In 2001, Drew Bledsoe helped Tom Brady lead the slow-starting Patriots to a Super Bowl title.
That if and when Bledsoe is called upon, he will be ready.

But just as he left New England the season after he was benched, Bledsoe is expected to do the same in Dallas after this season. One of Bledsoe's representatives was in Dallas meeting with Parcells and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

They all know Bledsoe is signed through 2007, and should Dallas release him after this season, it would have to absorb a salary-cap hit of only $1.5 million. With the salary cap rising to $109 million next season, the Cowboys easily would be able to swallow Bledsoe's cap charge.

But it looks like Bledsoe is going to have to swallow the fact that he now will be nothing more than a backup. "He's unprotectable," one general manager said in reference to Bledsoe's lack of mobility.

Yet expect him to be mobile again this offseason, looking for a new NFL home.

Not that this should be any great surprise in Dallas, either. The Cowboys have gone through more quarterbacks than Jerry Jones has head coaches. Since Troy Aikman retired before the 2001 season, eight quarterbacks -- Quincy Carter, Ryan Leaf, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoerner, Chad Hutchinson, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Henson, and Bledsoe -- have started at least one game for the Cowboys.

Tony Romo will become the ninth on the night of Oct. 29 at Carolina.

GET ME A PORTER

The Oakland Raiders reduced Jerry Porter's suspension from four games to two when the NFLPA agreed to drop its appeal on the wide receiver's behalf.

As part of the agreement, Porter will not report to the Raiders training facility for practice until Oct. 26. He was absent for the Wednesday practice, just as he had been the past couple of weeks. And the feeling around the Raiders is that, even though he is back on the roster, Porter still will not play Oct. 29 against the Steelers.

Doesn't make a lot a sense, though, does it? If ever there were a time for the Raiders to play Porter, this would be it. The two sides now are, in a way, starting over. The Raiders should give Porter, who they're paying anyway, a chance. It would be a boost to fellow wide receiver Randy Moss, a boost to quarterback Andrew Walter, a boost to the entire Raiders offense.

But if the team doesn't play Porter now, it's sending a message it has no desire to play him at all this season.

PURPLE POWER

Not long ago, the two faces of the Vikings franchise were Moss and quarterback Daunte Culpepper.


Instead of running and gunning on offense, the Vikings have been swooping and scoring and defense.
But the Vikings decided to discard both players, and their decision looks like it is working out.

Six games into this season, the Vikings defense has scored four touchdowns -- one more than Moss has this season, and one more than Culpepper has accounted for in Miami with his two passing touchdowns and one running.

It's a testament not only to the moves the Vikings made, but the way the defense is playing. The Williams' -- defensive tackles Kevin and Pat -- are playing at a dominating level that exceeds the play of Jacksonville's tremendous tackle tandem, Marcus Stroud and John Henderson. Antoine Winfield hits a lot bigger than his size. And the Vikings defense, and their franchise in general, have scored.

THE GREEN ROOM

Arizona already has made one notable coaching change this season.

The second could be coming within the next week, though it is unlikely.

The Cardinals will have their bye week after they play the Packers on Oct. 29 in Green Bay. If the Bidwill family were going to make an in-season move to fire head coach Dennis Green, next week would be the week.

The problem is: Green has one year remaining on a contract that is scheduled to pay him $2.5 million next season. The Bidwills would rather not waste that money, and Green is unwilling to walk away from it right now.

Unless somebody gives, the two sides will continue to co-exist. But change does seem inevitable there. The 1-6 Cardinals, whose last winning season was in 1998, are off to their worst start since the 1997 season.

 

[Kilyin]

With all that said, I was very impressed with Bledsoe's 2005 performance. I surprised how many of you guys disregard the season he had for us. That was close to a pro bowl season..

Did you watch the last half of the season? He stank up the joint. Typically, Bledsoe always fades down the stretch. That was the scary part about this season. He was garbage from week 1.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Did you watch the last half of the season? He stank up the joint.

he played a large part in us beating Carolina and KC late in the season

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Winicki was using it.

not suprised lol