When Will Mo Officially Be A Bust?

[AsthmaField]

We can wonder if Dez will make the HOF

You can go ahead and pencil Mr. Bryant in. We should probably go ahead and order his yellow jacket.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Even tho the question itself is full of snark I'll jump in.

1. Please stop telling me about how many pre-season games Mo has played in. No one averaged less pre-season games than Emmitt but that hardly made him a bust.
2. Mo has played 25 of 32 games since he was drafted. That's about 75% using my quick math.
3. The very best two football players on this team Tyron and Dez both had questionable beginnings. Tyron essentially had two rookie seasons since he switched positions. And Dez was still learning the offense in year 3.

Mo will be a bust when he is separated from the team and deemed to have delivered less than expected of a high r1 pick.
The Cowboys have already gotten more out of Claiborne than many previous r1 picks but no where near enough to warrant his selection.

1. Emmitt didnt need the reps. Claiborne does. There is a difference between sitting a RB in preseason and what's going on with Claiborne.

2. It was clear dez and Tyron would be studs just from watching their first few games. Claiborne has not shown much his first 2 years but I remain hopeful he can be a solid #2 corner.

3. He doesn't have to be separated from the team to be deemed a bust. He has to make a big step this season or he will be considered a bust considering his draft spot. I see an average CB, so far. But I will wait the season before I call him a bust, as the transition to the NFL is especially tough for CB's. He can't get by on athleticism alone.

 

[ilykdrama]

For me he's one non-serious injury that takes a month to heal away from being a complete bust. He's already TOTALLY not worth the #4 pick or wherever we traded up to get him.

 

[Sinister]

It doesn't matter what you define Mo as. Is he a bust? Who cares!

My problem is that someone in the Cowboys organization decided that he was the best defensive player in the draft and lets face it he was not even the best defensive player on his team.

Right now I'd take Brockers or the Honey Badger over Mo.

Who in the Cowboys organization said that he was the best defensive player in the draft and who agreed with them?

Arguing that Mo is soft or always hurt is silly. Mo is what he is. Someone made the decision to draft Mo and it was a mistake.

People blame Jerry and I don't like Jerry, I think he is the cause of what is wrong in this organization and he is not held accountable, but he is not (or should not be) evaluating talent as he is not a scout. Someone was in his ear telling him that Mo was the best defensive player in the draft and that someone should be fired.

Yes, I know that Jerry does evaluate talent I just don't believe that in this case Jerry decided on his own that Mo was the best player in the draft.

Jerry should be fired, but that is not going to happen. However, somebody agreed that Mo was the best player so that person should be fired. Whoever it is!

But maybe whoever agreed was already fired because Mo did not live up to his expectations maybe a certain coach who is no longer here.

 

[Idgit]

It doesn't matter what you define Mo as. Is he a bust? Who cares!

My problem is that someone in the Cowboys organization decided that he was the best defensive player in the draft and lets face it he was not even the best defensive player on his team.

Right now I'd take Brockers or the Honey Badger over Mo.

Who in the Cowboys organization said that he was the best defensive player in the draft and who agreed with them?

Arguing that Mo is soft or always hurt is silly. Mo is what he is. Someone made the decision to draft Mo and it was a mistake.

People blame Jerry and I don't like Jerry, I think he is the cause of what is wrong in this organization and he is not held accountable, but he is not (or should not be) evaluating talent as he is not a scout. Someone was in his ear telling him that Mo was the best defensive player in the draft and that someone should be fired.

Yes, I know that Jerry does evaluate talent I just don't believe that in this case Jerry decided on his own that Mo was the best player in the draft.

Jerry should be fired, but that is not going to happen. However, somebody agreed that Mo was the best player so that person should be fired. Whoever it is!

But maybe whoever agreed was already fired because Mo did not live up to his expectations maybe a certain coach who is no longer here.

A lot of people thought Mo was the best defender in that draft, and certainly the best DB. It's hard to fault--and especially fire--people for being wrong on a projection. Especially when there's not something obvious in terms of injury or personality trait that we missed on. In Mo's case, we did also have the CBA season, then the scheme switch, and the missed camp time that explain his set backs. And by most accounts, he's playing aggressively and well in camp again this year.

If the guy never lives up to his draft status, but ends up a long-time starter here playing at a relatively high level, well, it's not the end of the world. He'll be like Terrence Newman in that case, who always played better than he got credit for and was ridden out of town on a rail only for people to be surprised to see him go on and contribute several more years on a defense that was a lot better than our own.

Or, Mo flames out and is on another team in two seasons. That happens, too. No matter what, though, he looks like a minimum 5-6 year starter in this league to me. By any reckoning, there have been a lot worse uses of top-10 draft picks.

 

[Wood]

I heard on the radio yesterday Mo Claiborne has played in three of the eleven pre-season games since joining the Cowboys. He seems to be constantly hurt and is taking a roster spot of someone who potentially could be on the field.

When is this guy officially a bust in your mind? If not, then who is?

And, do you think he may be the biggest bust of any player selected or picked up in free agency for any team in Dallas, and not just the Cowboys?

In my opinion he already is regardless of what he does this year because his knees are already chronic for 24 year old. There is just no way you can extend him and that makes the draft selection a bust.

 

[CCBoy]

In my opinion he already is regardless of what he does this year because his knees are already chronic for 24 year old. There is just no way you can extend him and that makes the draft selection a bust.

You've seen his x-rays have you?

 

[Sinister]

A lot of people thought Mo was the best defender in that draft, and certainly the best DB. It's hard to fault--and especially fire--people for being wrong on a projection. Especially when there's not something obvious in terms of injury or personality trait that we missed on. In Mo's case, we did also have the CBA season, then the scheme switch, and the missed camp time that explain his set backs. And by most accounts, he's playing aggressively and well in camp again this year.

If the guy never lives up to his draft status, but ends up a long-time starter here playing at a relatively high level, well, it's not the end of the world. He'll be like Terrence Newman in that case, who always played better than he got credit for and was ridden out of town on a rail only for people to be surprised to see him go on and contribute several more years on a defense that was a lot better than our own.

Or, Mo flames out and is on another team in two seasons. That happens, too. No matter what, though, he looks like a minimum 5-6 year starter in this league to me. By any reckoning, there have been a lot worse uses of top-10 draft picks.

It doesn't matter what everybody thought. These guys get paid a lot of money to make these decisions. Yes, there were many people who thought he was the best defender in the draft, but there were many people who thought he was not worth a top ten pick.

The first example is Jeff Fisher who traded down and picked up Brockers and then picked up Jenkins. Jenkins has outplayed Mo. The bottom line is production and Mo has not lived up to his draft position, not only has he not lived up to his draft position, but trading up severely handicapped this team, but I want to make it clear I don't blame Mo.

I hope that he can be a starter, I hope that he turns into a solid player, but hope is not a good strategy.

The Cowboys (Jerry) I believe were trying to make splash and I don't think they did their homework, and yes I do think that one of the reasons (not the only reason) Rob got fired was because he pushed for Mo in this draft.

 

[CCBoy]

It doesn't matter what everybody thought. These guys get paid a lot of money to make these decisions. Yes, there were many people who thought he was the best defender in the draft, but there were many people who thought he was not worth a top ten pick.

The first example is Jeff Fisher who traded down and picked up Brockers and then picked up Jenkins. Jenkins has outplayed Mo. The bottom line is production and Mo has not lived up to his draft position, not only has he not lived up to his draft position, but trading up severely handicapped this team, but I want to make it clear I don't blame Mo.

I hope that he can be a starter, I hope that he turns into a solid player, but hope is not a good strategy.

The Cowboys (Jerry) I believe were trying to make splash and I don't think they did their homework, and yes I do think that one of the reasons (not the only reason) Rob got fired was because he pushed for Mo in this draft.

For weeks, the team had gone over top needs, directions, and scenarios for acquiring specific players if they made it to certain points in the draft that could be reasonably paid for a change, either in quality or acquired additional picks.

Let's look at what they did in the 2012 draft:

CB Morris Claiborne
DE Tyrone Crawford
LB Kyle Wilber
TE James Hanna

Now, are some of them showing up now? Is today's defense being helped by that specific draft?

 

[Risen Star]

It doesn't matter what everybody thought. These guys get paid a lot of money to make these decisions. Yes, there were many people who thought he was the best defender in the draft, but there were many people who thought he was not worth a top ten pick.

You shall learn to shift the blame around so that no one is ever directly responsible, making the status quo perfectly acceptable, or you will go find another team to root for.

Hey, I saw one of the draftniks say they liked that pick, so you can't blame the Cowboys.

 

[DiResta]

You can go ahead and pencil Mr. Bryant in. We should probably go ahead and order his yellow jacket.

If he grows the next few years like he has so far he is a lock

 

[Sinister]

For weeks, the team had gone over top needs, directions, and scenarios for acquiring specific players if they made it to certain points in the draft that could be reasonably paid for a change, either in quality or acquired additional picks.

Let's look at what they did in the 2012 draft:

CB Morris Claiborne
DE Tyrone Crawford
LB Kyle Wilber
TE James Hanna

Now, are some of them showing up now? Is today's defense being helped by that specific draft?

We have no idea and I'll tell you why, those players do not fit this defense. Everything is in flux, it is just one big question mark "?".

As a wise man once said, "Smellin' a lot of "if" comin' off this plan"

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Here's what will likely happen. He'll be burned or hurt all season long and then will get cut. Then another team, one with a real D line, will pick him up and he'll play amazing and maybe become a Pro Bowler.

 

[CCBoy]

We have no idea and I'll tell you why, those players do not fit this defense. Everything is in flux, it is just one big question mark "?".

As a wise man once said, "Smellin' a lot of "if" comin' off this plan"

I disagree, and one needs to get used to 'Cookies' coffee pot off his chuck wagon.

Claiborne will be playing what is a highly important role in what is a unit of concern...the secondary. I won't prejudge his play, as he is capable of handling that.

As to both Crawford and Wilber, look again. Wilber is the current starter at SLB. His play has been praised through most of the summer.

As to Crawford, he was supposed to get playing time last season, before his injury. He has not received negative press this Camp. He is working back and even being rotated inside some on the defensive front. That means more play.

With all the talk by fans, and costic media individuals, that points to that draft filling needs here and now, with drafted personnel actually filling roles and making a rotation...first project, and secondly, workable.

 

[Wishbone82]

He wont officially be a bust until he is playing healthy for a significant amount of time and performing under expectations.... Being injury plagued doesn't necessarily make you a bust (just bad luck, it happens a lot). IMO when he has played, he has been around average, which is under where i expected him to be. So unless he is out for a significant amount of time this season, I think this year will and should be a fair barometer of his pro abilities.

 

[Hoofbite]

He'd have to perform extraordinarily well for the remainder of his contract to be worth his cost.

It's one thing to say that he's the best player on your board, it's another to say he was given the highest grade since Deion because there have been a number of very good and a few great CBs who were highly regarded (1st rounders) that have come and gone between 1989 and 2012.

All teams miss. Missing happens, but when you miss by an extent that they appear to have missed by up until now, it's really hard swallow. Something was overlooked.

 

[Sinister]

I disagree, and one needs to get used to 'Cookies' coffee pot off his chuck wagon.

Claiborne will be playing what is a highly important role in what is a unit of concern...the secondary. I won't prejudge his play, as he is capable of handling that.

As to both Crawford and Wilber, look again. Wilber is the current starter at SLB. His play has been praised through most of the summer.

As to Crawford, he was supposed to get playing time last season, before his injury. He has not received negative press this Camp. He is working back and even being rotated inside some on the defensive front. That means more play.

With all the talk by fans, and costic media individuals, that points to that draft filling needs here and now, with drafted personnel actually filling roles and making a rotation...first project, and secondly, workable.

Don't tell me what they will do. Tell me what they have done.

I understand, we all want these guys to succeed. Being a future starter (this year) on this defense is, to me; not the greatest achievement. None of them have proven anything yet. This defense is not very good.

Claiborne has been inconsistent at best, he doesn't excel at the cover 2 scheme that Marinelli likes to run.

Crawford was injured all last year, he was drafted to be a defensive end in Rob Ryan's 3-4 not a 'rushman' in this defense.

Wilber was supposed to be a back-up OLB in Rob's 3-4 not a W/SLB in the 4-3. He did flash last year, but was also inconsistent. Which is understandable, but is he the future? I don't think so.

Hanna I really like, but he is the third tight-end.

Like I said all question marks. I want them to succeed, but the Cowboys are going to have to do a better job building this defense and it is a continuing process as anyone can see.

 

[CCBoy]

Don't tell me what they will do. Tell me what they have done.

I understand, we all want these guys to succeed. Being a future starter (this year) on this defense is, to me; not the greatest achievement. None of them have proven anything yet. This defense is not very good.

Claiborne has been inconsistent at best, he doesn't excel at the cover 2 scheme that Marinelli likes to run.

Crawford was injured all last year, he was drafted to be a defensive end in Rob Ryan's 3-4 not a 'rushman' in this defense.

Wilber was supposed to be a back-up OLB in Rob's 3-4 not a W/SLB in the 4-3. He did flash last year, but was also inconsistent. Which is understandable, but is he the future? I don't think so.

Hanna I really like, but he is the third tight-end.

Like I said all question marks. I want them to succeed, but the Cowboys are going to have to do a better job building this defense and it is a continuing process as anyone can see.

Seek a job with either Disneyland or Disney World...pick your coast. Cherry picking the top of league talent serves no function beyond peeing into the wind, then. Much less ignoring talent on one's on group.

When it falls into this neighborhood, agenda is the motive and not a true sense of development. Coach a team with four levels of players...or join the Army where one leads men. They aren't all developed into great teams all at once.

As to injured players...you either count them...or just drop them all. You can't build on an either or basis...now, which is it then?

 

[CCBoy]

He'd have to perform extraordinarily well for the remainder of his contract to be worth his cost.

It's one thing to say that he's the best player on your board, it's another to say he was given the highest grade since Deion because there have been a number of very good and a few great CBs who were highly regarded (1st rounders) that have come and gone between 1989 and 2012.

All teams miss. Missing happens, but when you miss by an extent that they appear to have missed by up until now, it's really hard swallow. Something was overlooked.

Last year's expense is gone. Only what is in stone now, and will project - matters...and that applies to play as well.

 

[theSHOW]

You've seen his x-rays have you?

The MRI is more inclusive. I expect more from our low wonderlick draft choice of three seasons ago. "It takes a while for some"