Where would Dak go in the draft today?

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perrykemp said:
I made the comparison because Hundley turned in the best rookie QB preseason in over a decade until Dak came along in 2016 and broke it.

I didn't go back a look at the specific circumstances of each pre-season game to see when Hundley played in those games.
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He didn't though. He had the highest rating. Prior to Dak.

We're both fans of measuring things so that the can be compared, and I'm not coming out against measuring things, but looking at what a guy does trading by 21 points or whatever in the second half of the 3rd preseason game (a game where he threw a pick-6, too, btw) and what he did in PS week 4 against the Saints knicked-up secondary and comparing that to what Dak did as a starter or an early-game injury replacement are not the same things.

Huntley undoubtedly would have helped himself in a redraft, too, but we both know his preseason last year was not as impressive as Dak's this season.

For my part, I can't imagine any of us would contemplate a Wentz-for-Prescott trade for very long. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know I wouldn't at this point. Weighing everything that was known about both players prior the draft, and then seeing what new information was uncovered in the preseason here, it's very reasonable to expect that a lot (if not most) of GMs would change their boards regarding how they ranked the QBs with the significant amount of new data that's available.

And, for the record, we're not just talking game performance. You can see how Dak integrated into the locker room, and you're getting lots of good feedback about how he's corrected mechanics problems and how hard he's working on becoming a better player. Many of the big questions about him have been (at least partially) addressed in the affirmative in a fairly big way.
 

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3. Wentz's main attributes were his leadership ability, intangibles and mobility and poise. I think Dak has shown all of those and more against NFL 1st stringers and he has been ACCURATE which is the most important characteristic

4. Dak was a top 2-3 QB prior to the 2015 season
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I'm going to disagree with these two statements.

3. Wentz is on another level as an athlete, which includes his arm. Physically, Dak just can't compare there. Dak's big and athletic enough to have a great career (think Aaron Rogers/Tony Romo as an athlete), but Wentz is simply better there. And while Dak has been accurate, it hasn't been in the eye popping, window fitting way that, say, Andrew Luck can be. Dak's upside in the accuracy department is on the level of Romo's, IMO. That's assuming he reaches that upside.

4. You can't take media analysts too seriously that early in the process. I hightly doubt Dak was a first round pick at any point in his career. It's not until the pros and scouts start tipping their hands that evaluations really matter. Dak didn't have a monster arm, wasn't especially tall and had some placement problems in college. That's usually not a receipe for a first round pick.
 
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If you could only keep one of Elliott/Prescott, who would it be?
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Wow, I'm so happy that that is merely a hypothetical situation.

I must say I haven't been this jazzed to see a Dallas QB play since that Bledsoe/Romo situation. I haven't been very high on ANY QB we've brought in during Romo's tenure until now. This Prescott kid looks like the real thing and I am very optimistic about the team's future. Young O-line, top shelf young RB, and a young stud QB. Seems like things look good in the future offensively!

Now, about that defense...
 

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For my part, I can't imagine any of us would contemplate a Wentz-for-Prescott trade for very long.
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I take Wentz. Despite a handful of talking heads saying he was pro-ready, I think most people thought that his value would come 2-3 years in. It was the upside that got him drafted so highly, and that upside is still there. I love Dak. I'd take him in the 4th over Wentz top 2. But I would absolutely trade Dak for Wentz today without too much thought.
 
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Coincidentally enough, I just noticed in NFL.com's scouting report on Dak, for the section where they compare him to an existing NFL player, they compare him to Brett Hundley.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/dak-prescott?id=2555260

Honestly, it sure feels like a lot of these comparisons I see in online NFL scouting analysis's tend to categorize QB a bit along racial lines, which is a shame.
 
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#1 overall for sure. The media and respective fan base response would be brutal if Dak didn't get picked first overall. It would take a G.M. with large brass ones and extremely secure with their future in the organization to pick someone else. Could you imagine the talking and convincing a G.M. would have to do to their fan base and Owner to explain a different pick other than Dak?
 
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perrykemp said:
Honestly, it sure feels like a lot of these comparisons I see in online NFL scouting analysis's tend to categorize QB a bit along racial lines, which is a shame.
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Most people tend to do this, not just scouts. It's pretty silly that EVERY white WR is compared to a white WR and EVERY black QB is compared to a black QB. Are we comparing the way they play or the way they look? I mean, seriously.

If some white kid got drafted to play CB (impossible, I know) I guarantee that almost every talking head on TV would compare him to Jason Sehorn.
 

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Most people tend to do this, not just scouts. It's pretty silly that EVERY white WR is compared to a white WR and EVERY black QB is compared to a black QB. Are we comparing the way they play or the way they look? I mean, seriously.

If some white kid got drafted to play CB (impossible, I know) I guarantee that almost every talking head on TV would compare him to Jason Sehorn.
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Ha ha. If you're a black slot receiver, you're the next Randall Cobb. If you're a white slot receiver, you're the next Wes Welker.
 
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I take Wentz. Despite a handful of talking heads saying he was pro-ready, I think most people thought that his value would come 2-3 years in. It was the upside that got him drafted so highly, and that upside is still there. I love Dak. I'd take him in the 4th over Wentz top 2. But I would absolutely trade Dak for Wentz today without too much thought.
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I feel like youre an undercover Philly fan.
 
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perrykemp said:
Coincidentally enough, I just noticed in NFL.com's scouting report on Dak, for the section where they compare him to an existing NFL player, they compare him to Brett Hundley.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/dak-prescott?id=2555260

Honestly, it sure feels like a lot of these comparisons I see in online NFL scouting analysis's tend to categorize QB a bit along racial lines, which is a shame.
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Ok. That's pretty funny.

One of the things that influences my take a lot here is the fact that I think there's just so much that's not known about these guys until they get on a team. So much time and money is spent trying to get it right, but there's only so much you can try to anticipate. And then the variables between the teams are significant. What offenses they run, how the coaches mesh with the players, who's in front of a guy, how much does he like his new situation, what sort of distractions are around, how does he integrate with his teammates. What sort of outside distractions are available. How susceptible is a guy to distraction. Does he miss his girlfriend?

All this stuff we think of as basically standard across franchises at this level, but it really isn't. These things can affect a player's development easily as much or more than his college success or lack thereof does. And then there's the fact that people develop at different rates.

Still, though, that's why I'd weight his work the first 6 months or so on an actual team heavier than I'd weight his grade coming out. They're far from finished players, but they're a lot farther along than they were back in March.
 

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Possibly undrafted. Camp arm.
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I can't value your opinion on football matters if that's you're opinion. Have you even watched him play the last few weeks?! He's been nearly perfect. I'm sorry, but you're way off on this one. There's no way he hurt his stock! Are you kidding me?











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