Which Head Coach that is available is better than Garrett right now?

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No doubt, you're right about percentage. But I can't figure out why you have such a boner for Wade. The end of his HC days were horrible.
1-7? Ouch.

I don't. I'm just interested in accuracy of facts, that's all.

I definitely agree about Wade's own faults and failings, just as I do for Jerry Jones. Wade cut his own throats with his laid back, "aw shucks", "mistakes are all on me" approach. Coach Cupcake. I don't deny that at all.

And it's certainly Jerry's "fault" that Garrett ever got a head coaching job he never deserved and why he's kept that job for far too long.

But I don't try to use their failings as some excuse for Jason Garrett and his faults and failings either.

That's where I'm coming from.
 

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The cliff notes for the posts.

1. Jason Garrett was gifted the job.
2. Jason can't do the job
3. Don't blame Jason cause he sucks.
4. It's Jerry's "agenda"

next thread.
finally some sense..

but did you know its JGs fault for earth being flat and the volcano erruptions in Hawaii....
Wade Phillips in Dallas - .607

Jason Garrett in Dallas - .558

You're right, Wade was, in fact, "better here."
wade could take a loaded team and lead them to 1-7 very quickly...yep that's about right...
 

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I don't. I'm just interested in accuracy of facts, that's all.

I definitely agree about Wade's own faults and failings, just as I do for Jerry Jones. Wade cut his own throats with his laid back, "aw shucks", "mistakes are all on me" approach. Coach Cupcake. I don't deny that at all.

And it's certainly Jerry's "fault" that Garrett ever got a head coaching job he never deserved and why he's kept that job for far too long.

But I don't try to use their failings as some excuse for Jason Garrett and his faults and failings either.

That's where I'm coming from.
And maybe if Wade could have hired his own OC he would have done better here.
 

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Wade would be so much better here.

The only full-time head coaching gig Wade has had in the 21st century was Dallas, despite interim runs in Atlanta and Houston. That's not an accident.

Some guys are coordinators, and should stay coordinators. Wade is one of those guys.
 

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Some of you guys have named college coaches that do not run pro style offenses (Dabo , Sumlin, ect)
Personally I think its pretty risky to go after a guy like that. The spread style hasn't proven to be an effective way to win in the NFL. Now i'm sure those dudes are smart and could run a pro-style offense, but they have yet to prove it.

I almost wan't us to hire Saban from bama and save college football. Saban wasn't successful as the fins coach, but I imagine that eats at him a little bit.
Of course he makes a boat load of cash from bama and has a built a juggernaut there so he may never leave

They're just throwing out names they know. We had fans who thought Switzer was a good hire, because they knew his name and he won a lot of games in college.
 

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Does it occur to anyone that since Jason Garrett took over in 2010, we have only 3 winning seasons, 3 8-8 seasons and 2 losing seasons. Just sayin...
Yes, I made a thread a while back. Here are some gems that came out of it, with the help of @BigD5

7 seasons as HC
2 playoff appearances
1 playoff win
3 winning seasons

2017:

Cowboys went 10 quarters without scoring a TD. Club record.
Scored single digits in 3 straight games. Club record.
Lost to a team who had more penalty yardage than offensive yardage. Club record.
4 losses by over 20 points.
8 sacks in 1 game. The most given up by any Cowboy team since 1991.


9 head coaches still have their job since Garrett became the full time HC in 2011:
6 have won Super Bowls and 7 have appeared in the Super Bowl. Marvin Lewis and Jason Garrett are the odd men out.

Garrett is the only Dallas Cowboys coach ever to :

1. lose a game when leading by 14 in 4th qtr (jets 2011)

2. lose a game after leading by 24 (detroit 2011)....did a similar repeat of this later in GB 2013 game

3. The Cowboys (JG) established a new franchise low in rushing touchdowns in the 2011 season with five, which included a rushing TD by Romo himself

4. ice his kicker on a winning kick and lose the game....Arizona 2011

5. lose 3 win or go home games in a row

6. have 3 non winning seasons in a row, (tied with Campo) also coach Landry when the franchise was first created

7. go 8-8 3 seasons in a row

8. had the worst defense in franchise history


In the history of the franchise we have had a QB throw for 400 yds and an offense total 500 yds in a game only 8 times.

SIX of those times have happened under Jason Garrett’s Cowboy teams

Only Dallas Cowboys team to score 10 or less points 3 games in a row?

Jason Garrett’s Cowboys in 2017
 

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Yes, I made a thread a while back. Here are some gems that came out of it, with the help of @BigD5

7 seasons as HC
2 playoff appearances
1 playoff win
3 winning seasons

2017:

Cowboys went 10 quarters without scoring a TD. Club record.
Scored single digits in 3 straight games. Club record.
Lost to a team who had more penalty yardage than offensive yardage. Club record.
4 losses by over 20 points.
8 sacks in 1 game. The most given up by any Cowboy team since 1991.


9 head coaches still have their job since Garrett became the full time HC in 2011:
6 have won Super Bowls and 7 have appeared in the Super Bowl. Marvin Lewis and Jason Garrett are the odd men out.

Garrett is the only Dallas Cowboys coach ever to :

1. lose a game when leading by 14 in 4th qtr (jets 2011)

2. lose a game after leading by 24 (detroit 2011)....did a similar repeat of this later in GB 2013 game

3. The Cowboys (JG) established a new franchise low in rushing touchdowns in the 2011 season with five, which included a rushing TD by Romo himself

4. ice his kicker on a winning kick and lose the game....Arizona 2011

5. lose 3 win or go home games in a row

6. have 3 non winning seasons in a row, (tied with Campo) also coach Landry when the franchise was first created

7. go 8-8 3 seasons in a row

8. had the worst defense in franchise history


In the history of the franchise we have had a QB throw for 400 yds and an offense total 500 yds in a game only 8 times.

SIX of those times have happened under Jason Garrett’s Cowboy teams

Only Dallas Cowboys team to score 10 or less points 3 games in a row?

Jason Garrett’s Cowboys in 2017
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The people trying to "ignore" anything are those trying to ignore what the team accomplished the year before. Because "oh, 1-7 makes Garrett look better than admitting the team he inherited actually had talent. So I'll "ignore" the year before and go with that!"

Don't try to project your own ignorance onto anyone else.

the fact that Garrett had an 11-5 squad from Wade is proven by the fact that they went 5-3 the 2nd half. And that was without Romo. Double 5-3 and its 10-6. Pretty close. How can you have a real 1-7 team if it goes 5-3 the next 8 games without its franchise QB?

Fact of the matter is injuries cost us the first couple game of the year. And that was the year Garrett was passing 80% of the time getting Romo killed and being one dimensional. Once Romo went down Garrett was FORCED to run the ball. All of a sudden we started winning games. In the 2nd half of that year we were one of the top rushing teams in the NFL. Once again Garrett stumbles into a solution rather than figuring it out on his own. Everything takes years with Garrett. He is always behind the curve and never ahead of it. He is a copycat. NO original ideas of his own. No football 6th sense about anything.
 

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It was the same team, the one that won 11 games and a playoff game the year before. As I said about a hundred times, but again some people can't handle that fact and would try to deceive by separating things. Those people fail.

The same team was 1-7 when he took over.
 

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the fact that Garrett had an 11-5 squad from Wade is proven by the fact that they went 5-3 the 2nd half. And that was without Romo. Double 5-3 and its 10-6. Pretty close. How can you have a real 1-7 team if it goes 5-3 the next 8 games without its franchise QB?

Fact of the matter is injuries cost us the first couple game of the year. And that was the year Garrett was passing 80% of the time getting Romo killed and being one dimensional. Once Romo went down Garrett was FORCED to run the ball. All of a sudden we started winning games. In the 2nd half of that year we were one of the top rushing teams in the NFL. Once again Garrett stumbles into a solution rather than figuring it out on his own. Everything takes years with Garrett. He is always behind the curve and never ahead of it. He is a copycat. NO original ideas of his own. No football 6th sense about anything.

You're absolutely ríght about those rushing numbers:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2010.htm

There's a stark difference post Green Bay to pre-Green Bay (Wade fired). Night and day.
 

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Yes, I made a thread a while back. Here are some gems that came out of it, with the help of @BigD5

7 seasons as HC
2 playoff appearances
1 playoff win
3 winning seasons

2017:

Cowboys went 10 quarters without scoring a TD. Club record.
Scored single digits in 3 straight games. Club record.
Lost to a team who had more penalty yardage than offensive yardage. Club record.
4 losses by over 20 points.
8 sacks in 1 game. The most given up by any Cowboy team since 1991.


9 head coaches still have their job since Garrett became the full time HC in 2011:
6 have won Super Bowls and 7 have appeared in the Super Bowl. Marvin Lewis and Jason Garrett are the odd men out.

Garrett is the only Dallas Cowboys coach ever to :

1. lose a game when leading by 14 in 4th qtr (jets 2011)

2. lose a game after leading by 24 (detroit 2011)....did a similar repeat of this later in GB 2013 game

3. The Cowboys (JG) established a new franchise low in rushing touchdowns in the 2011 season with five, which included a rushing TD by Romo himself

4. ice his kicker on a winning kick and lose the game....Arizona 2011

5. lose 3 win or go home games in a row

6. have 3 non winning seasons in a row, (tied with Campo) also coach Landry when the franchise was first created

7. go 8-8 3 seasons in a row

8. had the worst defense in franchise history


In the history of the franchise we have had a QB throw for 400 yds and an offense total 500 yds in a game only 8 times.

SIX of those times have happened under Jason Garrett’s Cowboy teams

Only Dallas Cowboys team to score 10 or less points 3 games in a row?

Jason Garrett’s Cowboys in 2017

Some great information here.

Don't be offended when the homers avoid it like it was poison.
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As expected.
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What have I ignored? I've simply been making the point, that you agreed with, that being 1-7 was more relevant than what happened the previous year. For some reason, you don't want to acknowledge that anymore and continue to act like I'm ignoring it. I guess this is how you get 40k posts.
 

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What have I ignored? I've simply been making the point, that you agreed with, that being 1-7 was more relevant than what happened the previous year. For some reason, you don't want to acknowledge that anymore and continue to act like I'm ignoring it. I guess this is how you get 40k posts.

The fact that the team Garrett inherited the year before went 11-5 and won a playoff game.

The inconvenient truth that you and others can't handle.

You want to talk up 1-7 to make Garrett look better than he is, but you can't acknowledge the fact that the same team was a playoff winner the year before.

That's your issue - and theirs - not mine.

The truth I see connected, no matter how much you'd like to wish it weren't, and bit factors are relevant ones, no matter how mightily you wish it wasn't true.
 
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