Which Head Coach that is available is better than Garrett right now?

[CowboyRoy]

He definitely had a franchise QB but a “ good” team is arguable.

By the beginning of 2011 the team was coming off a 6-10 season which I wouldn’t define as good. Certainly not as good as the team was coming off a 11-6 season.

Romo was the main cog in that wheel. Take him away and I don’t like the team. But they still had some talent. Hence the 5-3 record the last 8 games.

 

[stiletto]

Romo was the main cog in that wheel. Take him away and I don’t like the team. But they still had some talent. Hence the 5-3 record the last 8 games.

Romo is the only reason ANY cowboys team from like 2007-2014 won over 8 games. LOL He was the sole reason. The team was terrible otherwise. Loved the guy but unfortunately Will McClay wasn't around when he was in his prime.

 

[Diehardblues]

Romo was the main cog in that wheel. Take him away and I don’t like the team. But they still had some talent. Hence the 5-3 record the last 8 games.

“ some “ talent isn’t necessarily good talent. I’d say closer to 6-10 to 8-8 talent. Romo obviously elevated a lesser overall talented team .Good talent at a few positions but not throughout.

Our defense from 2011- 2013 was some of the worst in Cowboys history even setting futility marks in NFL.

 

[Diehardblues]

Romo is the only reason ANY cowboys team from like 2007-2014 won over 8 games. LOL He was the sole reason. The team was terrible otherwise. Loved the guy but unfortunately Will McClay wasn't around when he was in his prime.

Hard to argue. And I was a Romo critic early on.

We obviously weren’t going to the playoffs with Bledsoe until we inserted Romo.

And anytime Romo was hurt we basically collapsed until 2016.

Each season Romo was standing we were in it until our final game despite our awful defenses some years.

 

[gjkoeppen]

My question is simply this: What GOOD coach would be willing to take the job and have the Jones boys micromanaging every little move? A good coach would want to control the asst. coaching hires and have a big (if not total) input on roster moves. They could always find a guy who is willing to take the salary and like JG let Jerry and Stevie run the show. But is that an improvement? For me that is a really big concern at this point.

The only time I remember a HC didn't hire all of his assistants since Jones bought the team was when Philips was hired and Garrett was already the offensive coordinator. Other than that what assistant coaches were not hired or got the blessing from Garrett. Garrett has always had the call on what players are signed and what players make the roster. Those that keep saying Jones runs everything are the same people that just don't like Garrett and think repeating that will somehow make it true. Jones is unique in the fact that he is owner AND GM so when he's doing GM type stuff people say he running everything when he's only doing what GM's do.
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[CowboyRoy]

Romo is the only reason ANY cowboys team from like 2007-2014 won over 8 games. LOL He was the sole reason. The team was terrible otherwise. Loved the guy but unfortunately Will McClay wasn't around when he was in his prime.

Romo saved Garrett’s job no question.

 

[CowboyRoy]

“ some “ talent isn’t necessarily good talent. I’d say closer to 6-10 to 8-8 talent. Romo obviously elevated a lesser overall talented team .Good talent at a few positions but not throughout.

Our defense from 2011- 2013 was some of the worst in Cowboys history even setting futility marks in NFL.

Enough talent for wade to go 11-6. Wade was no great coach.

 

[Diehardblues]

Enough talent for wade to go 11-6. Wade was no great coach.

But not enough talent for Wade to do better that 1-4 with Romo and or 0-3 without him? But yet Garrett went 5-3?

Most would conclude better coaching. The team collapsed under Wade and Garrett optimized what was left.

It doesn’t matter if there was enough talent to win. They didn’t with Wade but did with Garrett. Garrett gets credit for that despite your attempts to diminish or redirect his accomplishments.

They went 9-7 in 2008 and why you can’t necessarily compare year to year. Why didn’t they do as well as the 13-4 team from 2007?

Each season stands on its own merit. Too many contributing factors with roster changes, injuries and schedules not to mention opponents contributing factors.

Most of us understand why the 2010 team deflated but yet knew it wasn’t as bad a team as 1-4 with Romo and 1-7 overall and why Wade was fired. That doesn’t take away that Garrett was able to lead a Romoless squad to a 5-3 record which deserves some recognition.

Was there “ some” talent there. Of course and Garrett did more with it.

 

[Diehardblues]

Romo saved Garrett’s job no question.

Romo saved more than Garrett’s job. He saved the new stadium. He also kept Jerry and the Cowboys relevant in Revenue.

But Remember Garrett was hired as “ the future of the Dallas Cowboys” before Wade was hired in the most unprecedented dysfunctional fashion our franchise and perhaps the NFL has ever seen.

It was clear then that the Cowboys were probably never going to have a normal situation again with the agendas Jerry had to prove once and for all he was a Football Guy.

Garrett fits Jerry’s agendas perfectly and why he’s gone to such extremes to protect him. And Garrett is the perfect puppet for Jerry. And he actually wants to be here.

Despite Garrett’s lack of experience, unproven coaching ability and Game Day gaffs he’s brought us stability and a HC who has delivered more positive influence on Jethro and Son. I see Garrett as more of a walk around GM and potential GM once Jerry’s done. I’ve believed from the beginning Jerry has bigger plans for Garrett.

If I thought there was a better solution to the dysfunctional turmoil Jerry presents I’d be all in. But I think despite how long and tooling the process has been we do see better decisions being made and the team being built in a better way.

Will that produce our ultimate goal ? Who knows but I think we are seeing a more consistent product. And I believe Garrett deserves some credit. If he can ever develop an Elite QB or defense I think we’ll have more success.

 

[ConstantReboot]

not only the talent was depleting, the culture was depleting. wade did a lot of damage to this team as a head coach. he was hand gifted a good team, on the way up, hard working and the right culture and he proceeded to flush it down the toilet.....he was as bad as Campo IMO....campo started with nothing, added nothing, ended up with nothing. wade was handed a good team, depleted it, instead of doing nothing and created a losing culture that culminated in 2010

However, Garrett also inherited the same team as Wade. He hasn't done much also. So whats your point?

 

[CowboyRoy]

But not enough talent for Wade to do better that 1-4 with Romo and or 0-3 without him? But yet Garrett went 5-3?

Most would conclude better coaching. The team collapsed under Wade and Garrett optimized what was left.

It doesn’t matter if there was enough talent to win. They didn’t with Wade but did with Garrett. Garrett gets credit for that despite your attempts to diminish or redirect his accomplishments.

They went 9-7 in 2008 and why you can’t necessarily compare year to year. Why didn’t they do as well as the 13-4 team from 2007?

Each season stands on its own merit. Too many contributing factors with roster changes, injuries and schedules not to mention opponents contributing factors.

Most of us understand why the 2010 team deflated but yet knew it wasn’t as bad a team as 1-4 with Romo and 1-7 overall and why Wade was fired. That doesn’t take away that Garrett was able to lead a Romoless squad to a 5-3 record which deserves some recognition.

Was there “ some” talent there. Of course and Garrett did more with it.

There were other injuries besides Romo. To start the season the Oline had several injuries. Which resulted in Romo getting killed. Garrett was also completely one dimensional in his play calling. Was abandoning the run at an all time level.

The team AGAIN won the last game of the year against Philly 3rd stringers. Probably should have been 4-4. And the difference was with Romo out, Garrett was FORCED to run the ball regardless of weather it worked or not. That commitment, although forced (Garrett couldnt figure it out on his own) was what kept us in games. IF you look up the Cowboys in the 2nd half of that year they were either #1 or #2 in rushing the last 8 games. Had Garrett committed to the run in the first 8 games like he did in the 2nd 8, the results might have been different and Romo might have never gotten hurt. Speculation of course.

I do think there is also some credit due Garrett. But as was pointed out, the running was forced by circumstance.

Then of course there was Crayton coming out later on saying how shocked the team was when Garrett pulled out a new playbook shortly after Wade was fired. "Where were all these plays before"? Was his exact quote.

And no I dont buy the notion that he was lying. You dont make something like that up.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Romo saved more than Garrett’s job. He saved the new stadium. He also kept Jerry and the Cowboys relevant in Revenue.

But Remember Garrett was hired as “ the future of the Dallas Cowboys” before Wade was hired in the most unprecedented dysfunctional fashion our franchise and perhaps the NFL has ever seen.

It was clear then that the Cowboys were probably never going to have a normal situation again with the agendas Jerry had to prove once and for all he was a Football Guy.

Garrett fits Jerry’s agendas perfectly and why he’s gone to such extremes to protect him. And Garrett is the perfect puppet for Jerry. And he actually wants to be here.

Despite Garrett’s lack of experience, unproven coaching ability and Game Day gaffs he’s brought us stability and a HC who has delivered more positive influence on Jethro and Son. I see Garrett as more of a walk around GM and potential GM once Jerry’s done. I’ve believed from the beginning Jerry has bigger plans for Garrett.

If I thought there was a better solution to the dysfunctional turmoil Jerry presents I’d be all in. But I think despite how long and tooling the process has been we do see better decisions being made and the team being built in a better way.

Will that produce our ultimate goal ? Who knows but I think we are seeing a more consistent product. And I believe Garrett deserves some credit. If he can ever develop an Elite QB or defense I think we’ll have more success.

LOL........Oh God!!! Garrett is horrid. He has brought nothing but mediocrity, ups and downs, bad coaching, boring predictable offenses, laughable sound bites, and choking at the most opportune times. McClay and Stephen have helped stabilize the franchise now with the draft and not being morons in FA and getting to the point where we can manage the salary cap. If Garrett had something to do with that, then great. However, his coaching on game day and motivational button pushing 6th sense is simply NOT there. He is an administrator/ fanny patting nice guy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Poor Wade was saddled with being forced to have the horrid, learn on the job Garrett as his OC while dealing with Jerry and his bad drafts and franchise running at its height.

Had Garrett NOT had the luck of Romo saving his butt and then Dak coming in in 2016 to save the season and at least allowing us to be a respectable 9-7 last year then Garrett would have been at 4-12 nearly every year or worse.

Romo as an undrafted FA and Dak as a 4th round home run the ONLY thing that has saved Garrett or made him look even remotely competent to some Cowboy fans. Those that have high standards and remember the glory days see what Garrett is. A fish out of water parroting other great coaches and posing without the feel for the game that those greats had. Quacks like a duck, but it aint a duck.

 

[Diehardblues]

LOL........Oh God!!! Garrett is horrid. He has brought nothing but mediocrity, ups and downs, bad coaching, boring predictable offenses, laughable sound bites, and choking at the most opportune times. McClay and Stephen have helped stabilize the franchise now with the draft and not being morons in FA and getting to the point where we can manage the salary cap. If Garrett had something to do with that, then great. However, his coaching on game day and motivational button pushing 6th sense is simply NOT there. He is an administrator/ fanny patting nice guy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Poor Wade was saddled with being forced to have the horrid, learn on the job Garrett as his OC while dealing with Jerry and his bad drafts and franchise running at its height.

Had Garrett NOT had the luck of Romo saving his butt and then Dak coming in in 2016 to save the season and at least allowing us to be a respectable 9-7 last year then Garrett would have been at 4-12 nearly every year or worse.

Romo as an undrafted FA and Dak as a 4th round home run the ONLY thing that has saved Garrett or made him look even remotely competent to some Cowboy fans. Those that have high standards and remember the glory days see what Garrett is. A fish out of water parroting other great coaches and posing without the feel for the game that those greats had. Quacks like a duck, but it aint a duck.

Garrett is the best we can hope for under Jerry.

While Garrett has his coaching challenges he has uplifted us in some of our lowest points this era and the culture he’s attempted to overcome despite Jerry’s interference is admirable. He and Will have turn this dysfunctionally ran franchise into a reasonable contender.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Garrett is the best we can hope for under Jerry.

While Garrett has his coaching challenges he has uplifted us in some of our lowest points this era and the culture he’s attempted to overcome despite Jerry’s interference is admirable. He and Will have turn this dysfunctionally ran franchise into a reasonable contender.

LOL.....you can make up any excuse you want. That doesnt change the fact that Garrett is sub standard for this proud franchise. Reasonable contender? That hasnt happened in 10 years with Garrett or is it 9? These years all seem to jumble together. And the best year of all was the one Dak had as a rookie. Yet that was obviously a horror show for you.

Dak isnt good enough, but Garrett is your guy? Man some of you guys really have an interesting angle on your fan opinions.

If this team becomes a contender I guess you will have to suffer through the fact that Dak is leading us there and I will have to do the same with Garrett.

 

[Diehardblues]

LOL........Oh God!!! Garrett is horrid. He has brought nothing but mediocrity, ups and downs, bad coaching, boring predictable offenses, laughable sound bites, and choking at the most opportune times. McClay and Stephen have helped stabilize the franchise now with the draft and not being morons in FA and getting to the point where we can manage the salary cap. If Garrett had something to do with that, then great. However, his coaching on game day and motivational button pushing 6th sense is simply NOT there. He is an administrator/ fanny patting nice guy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Poor Wade was saddled with being forced to have the horrid, learn on the job Garrett as his OC while dealing with Jerry and his bad drafts and franchise running at its height.

Had Garrett NOT had the luck of Romo saving his butt and then Dak coming in in 2016 to save the season and at least allowing us to be a respectable 9-7 last year then Garrett would have been at 4-12 nearly every year or worse.

Romo as an undrafted FA and Dak as a 4th round home run the ONLY thing that has saved Garrett or made him look even remotely competent to some Cowboy fans. Those that have high standards and remember the glory days see what Garrett is. A fish out of water parroting other great coaches and posing without the feel for the game that those greats had. Quacks like a duck, but it aint a duck.

The credit should go to Will and Jason. They have been the difference since 2011.

Refusing to give Jason any credit is agenda driven.

Jethro and Son deserve credit for sticking with them.

 

[G2]

Romo is the only reason ANY cowboys team from like 2007-2014 won over 8 games. LOL He was the sole reason. The team was terrible otherwise. Loved the guy but unfortunately Will McClay wasn't around when he was in his prime.

Please stop.

 

[CATCH17]

Garrett is the best we can hope for under Jerry.

While Garrett has his coaching challenges he has uplifted us in some of our lowest points this era and the culture he’s attempted to overcome despite Jerry’s interference is admirable. He and Will have turn this dysfunctionally ran franchise into a reasonable contender.

Garrett has had his time.

He shouldn't keep getting a pass because he works well with Jerry.

Almost every coach that has coached here has said Jerry lets them do what they want as a coach.

Jason Garrett does not get results. He can stumble upon a winning season here and there but he's had 8 years and time has exposed him for what he is.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The credit should go to Will and Jason. They have been the difference since 2011.

Refusing to give Jason any credit is agenda driven.

What are you giving Garrett credit for exactly? He was hired to coach this team on game day. Call plays, run the offense, be the offensive genius. How has he done there? Did Garrett hire McClay? Who has stepped more into the picture over the last 10 years? Stephen Jones? Who's influence has it been during the draft to NOT go with high risk guys like Manziel? Stephen. Who deals with the salary cap and signing FA's? Stephen. To me its been his influence that has been the biggest along with McClay.

But I do give credit to Garrett for spearheading sticking with Dak and moving on from Romo. For you anti Dak guys that has to sting a little knowing your hero helped launch Romo into retirement.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Lol....I’m not defending wade. Maybe that’s why your such an angry guy. Comprehension skills are lacking. Simply pointed out that your hero took over a team with good talent.

a team with good talent that were injured? right? you can't have it both ways....you use injuries as an excuse...then you say they had talent?

 

[Diehardblues]

Garrett has had his time.

He shouldn't keep getting a pass because he works well with Jerry.

Almost every coach that has coached here has said Jerry lets them do what they want as a coach.

Jason Garrett does not get results. He can stumble upon a winning season here and there but he's had 8 years and time has exposed him for what he is.

Depends on the results your looking for. Jerry appears content . Lol

No one has produced the results we’ve wanted this era under Jerry. Pick a puppet. Any puppet. I like what Jason has done with his strings.