Which QB Would You Trade Romo For?

[5Stars]

Trust me, it doesn't leave me feeling good about myself either.

I was reading along, then all of a sudden I see you two agreeing with each other and I was like "what the hell"? "This is not happening..."!


See, you guys are more alike each other than what each of you think!!

 

[Stautner]

I was reading along, then all of a sudden I see you two agreeing with each other and I was like "what the hell"? "This is not happening..."!


See, you guys are more alike each other than what each of you think!!

I can send my friend Guido out to pay you a visit if you keep talking like that.

 

[aikemirv]

It is funny that one of Romo's strentghs is what he is getting critisized for. His ability to throw on the run and move around in the pocket is one of his best traits. No matter what you do, you don't want to tell him to reduce that. Now if you want to tell him to hold onto the ball with 2 hands that is fine, but saying he should just give up on a play is against his nature. He can make a play when none is there.

The Detroit game was just a case of not holding onto the ball securely while moving around. In no case in that game would I have wanted Romo to give up on any of those plays. That is just not what I want out of my QB.

 

[5Stars]

I can send my friend Guido out to pay you a visit if you keep talking like that.

Send him...! I have a sister that will take his attention away from me...then? Just like "Maxwell's Silver Hammer"...it will come down on his head!


Besides, ask Iceberg...Italian's are not that tough!

 

[Stautner]

It is funny that one of Romo's strentghs is what he is getting critisized for. His ability to throw on the run and move around in the pocket is one of his best traits. No matter what you do, you don't want to tell him to reduce that. Now if you want to tell him to hold onto the ball with 2 hands that is fine, but saying he should just give up on a play is against his nature. He can make a play when none is there.

The Detroit game was just a case of not holding onto the ball securely while moving around. In no case in that game would I have wanted Romo to give up on any of those plays. That is just not what I want out of my QB.

Sure, he CAN make a play when none is there, and no one is suggesting he stop looking to do that.

But to suggest he shouldn't eat a ball when there simply is absolutely no way to squeeze a ball in is nuts - there has to be limits.

One INT hurts a hell of a lot more than that one added reception would help.

Completely unrestricted bravado leads to destruction.

It's like the teenage kid that thinks he's invincible - if he keeps racing his car and picking fights he will eventually wind up dead.

For a more football related analogy, it's much the same as with a RB having to be smart enough to not keep trying to make a big gain on every play by running outside and away from the defenders - that's can cost too many losses and fumbles. He has to know when it's best to just cut upfield and prevent a negtive play.

Or a DB who goes for the interception every time, even when not in position to do so. Yes, sometimes it will result in a big play, but he will kill you with negative plays that should never have occurred.

Discretion is still the better part of valor and there has to be limitations to everything - being SMART is still just as important as being brave.

 

[Doomsday101]

Again, strong enough to put the ball in the right places is a relative thing - it's only strong enough to fit into THOSE PARTICULAR right places that his arm strength will allow.

My concern isn't that he doesn't have enough arm to put the ball into SOME tight spaces, just that he might (and he has) attempted to put the ball into some tight spaces that his arm wasn't strong enough to handle ....... and more troublesome is the concern that he will (and he has) tried to put the ball into some spaces that nobody's arm strength could handle.

But I suppose our real difference of opinion is in that you don't think he took unnecessary risks last year and I do.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think it happened all the time, and I do agree there are times when risks, even eccessive one, have to be taken. I just thought he took too many and was fortunate to get away with is early on - but he wasn't able to do that later on.

Another manifestation of this is all the fumbles he had late in the year - rather than except that there wasn't a play to be made, throwing the ball away and leaving us a chance on the next down he would try to scramble in traffic and get hit and lose the ball.

Again, we don't want to take away his confidence in his abilities, but he does need to be more judicious ........

after all, one lost fumble hurts a lot more than one play with no gain - and also it hurts a lot more than one more complete pass helps.

I think he took some risk that he should not have but I think that comes with the territory, you’re not going to go int free or at least I have never seen a QB pull off a season without any ints and there will always be passes that a QB wished he had back even the greatest of them. As for the fumbles especially in the Det game no doubt those where mistakes that Romo should not have made and had to do with indecision on his part

 

[Stautner]

Send him...! I have a sister that will take his attention away from me...then? Just like "Maxwell's Silver Hammer"...it will come down on his head!


Besides, ask Iceberg...Italian's are not that tough!

Maxwell's Silver Hammer ....... ? Damn, you must be as old as I am!

 

[Stautner]

I think he took some risk that he should not have but I think that comes with the territory, you’re not going to go int free or at least I have never seen a QB pull off a season without any ints and there will always be passes that a QB wished he had back even the greatest of them. As for the fumbles especially in the Det game no doubt those where mistakes that Romo should not have made and had to do with indecision on his part

Yes, all QB's do sometimes take a risk they shouldn't - that's unavoidable. The key is to minimize those moments.

I tend to think he took a few too many risks that he shouldn't have - somewhat more than a more experienced, more prudent QB would have, and you saw it differently. That's cool - no two people see things the same. Nevertheless, I think we both agree that he will improve in that area given a little more time and experience.

 

[iceberg]

Send him...! I have a sister that will take his attention away from me...then? Just like "Maxwell's Silver Hammer"...it will come down on his head!


Besides, ask Iceberg...Italian's are not that tough!

great - now i'll have some mini-mafia outside my door flinging pasta at my house.

i never said they weren't tough - i just said parcells had a fetish for them.

 

[Stautner]

great - now i'll have some mini-mafia outside my door flinging pasta at my house.

i never said they weren't tough - i just said parcells had a fetish for them.

Don't worry - Guido understands what you are saying.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes, all QB's do sometimes take a risk they shouldn't - that's unavoidable. The key is to minimize those moments.

I tend to think he took a few too many risks that he shouldn't have - somewhat more than a more experienced, more prudent QB would have, and you saw it differently. That's cool - no two people see things the same. Nevertheless, I think we both agree that he will improve in that area given a little more time and experience.

I think we agree on this more than you think but looking at this situation Romo was in I don't think he took a lot of big risk. The defense was giving up points and he was stuck in a lot of bad situation of long distance I think to overcome that and give the team a chance to win I think he took some big risk. I don't think we win some of those game or at least be in a position to win the if he doesn't. In the month of Dec we were giving up an avg. of 30.4 points a game I don't think we have a chance unless the QB is willing to take chances in that situation.

 

[aikemirv]

The Romo I saw last year did not take near as many risk when the team was ahead as he did when they were behind. I think that is what happened to him in the last part of the season where the defense could not hold up their end and Romo felt pressure to make up the difference. If anything that is what got him into trouble. In the normal corse of the game the Romo I saw did not take any more risk than the average NFL QB IMO.

When they got behind or could just not get anything going ( ex. The Philly Game where he through the deep int) he took a few more risk - or the Detroit game when he and the defense kept giving up points he took more risk but I don' t believe he is a QB that takes too many risk all things being equal.

 

[Stautner]

I think we agree on this more than you think but looking at this situation Romo was in I don't think he took a lot of big risk. The defense was giving up points and he was stuck in a lot of bad situation of long distance I think to overcome that and give the team a chance to win I think he took some big risk. I don't think we win some of those game or at least be in a position to win the if he doesn't. In the month of Dec we were giving up an avg. of 30.4 points a game I don't think we have a chance unless the QB is willing to take chances in that situation.

I understand what you are saying, and I completely agree that at times the risks were just attempts to keep the ship afloat when the defense was springing leaks.

I just think there were too many other moments to go with those. That's just the little difference in viewpoints that we have.

My take was that he had so much success so quickly that he came to expect that every week, and therefore he tried to make plays he shouldn't have because he had come to believe that the same success should be available every game.

But don't get me wrong - I didn't lose faith, and in fact the contrary is true. I think Romo can and likely will make smarter decisions, and I think he likely will have stepped back over the offseason and realized that each game is different and requires different decisions and different levels of QB success and that everything is not and cannot be n his shoulders.

 

[sonnyboy]

Wow........... I like him too, but remind me of the games when he was clutch and led us back to victory. I hope he's the man this year...he certainly has the weapons.

@Carolina - on the road, down 13-14 in 4th Q. He was NO DOUBT the catalyst for that 22 point 4th Q.

@ Wash - down 20-21 he led us to a very makable FG. Shouldve been a win.

IND - Tie in the 4th Q. Romo leads us to the go head score. Then after a big defensive stop, leads us on a 4 min drive including at least 2 3rd down conversions to ice the game.

@ NYG - on the road again, I believe we were down at one point in the 4th.
Regardless, with the scrore tied he led us to chip shot field goal range in less than a minute for the win.

@ ATL - tied in the 4thQ, leads us to two 4thQ TD's to win.

@ Sea - lead us on a last min drive to the 2 yard line to set up an almost automatic FG for the lead and highly possible playoff road win.

Enough clutch performances?

 

[Doomsday101]

@Carolina - on the road, down 13-14 in 4th Q. He was NO DOUBT the catalyst for that 22 point 4th Q.

@ Wash - down 20-21 he led us to a very makable FG. Shouldve been a win.

IND - Tie in the 4th Q. Romo leads us to the go head score. Then after a big defensive stop, leads us on a 4 min drive including at least 2 3rd down conversions to ice the game.

@ NYG - on the road again, I believe we were down at one point in the 4th.
Regardless, with the scrore tied he led us to chip shot field goal range in less than a minute for the win.

@ ATL - tied in the 4thQ, leads us to two 4thQ TD's to win.

@ Sea - lead us on a last min drive to the 2 yard line to set up an almost automatic FG for the lead and highly possible playoff road win.

Enough clutch performances?

I agree and feel Romo put Dallas in position to win games. Even in games he did not play great overall he managed to give the team a chance to win with some impressive drives late in games

 

[Kilyin]

Pull out all the stats you want, Grossman is terrible. I'll give you one reason that Grossman managed to have some good games - Thomas Jones took the pressure off him. Now that the Bears lost Jones (in one of the most questionable offseason decisions bar none) he's only going to look worse (if that's possible).

Bookmark it.

 

[AbeBeta]

Pull out all the stats you want, Grossman is terrible. I'll give you one reason that Grossman managed to have some good games - Thomas Jones took the pressure off him. Now that the Bears lost Jones (in one of the most questionable offseason decisions bar none) he's only going to look worse (if that's possible).

Bookmark it.

Interesting theory.

Here is Grossman's best game. Stellar performance by Jones right there.

Det - Rex (20-27, 289,4tds, 0 int, 148 PR): Jones (21-64 3ypc, 1 catch-2yards)

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Manning, Brady, almer, Brees, Vine Young, and robably Jay Cutler

There are guys like Bulger, Hasselback ect. who are better right now, but age lays into it like you said

 

[Kilyin]

Interesting theory.

Here is Grossman's best game. Stellar performance by Jones right there.

Det - Rex (20-27, 289,4tds, 0 int, 148 PR): Jones (21-64 3ypc, 1 catch-2yards)

Doesn't have to be a stellar performance to make teams respect the fact that you're willing to run the ball.

And I was beginning to think you had me on ignore, sweetheart.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Pull out all the stats you want, Grossman is terrible. I'll give you one reason that Grossman managed to have some good games - Thomas Jones took the pressure off him. Now that the Bears lost Jones (in one of the most questionable offseason decisions bar none) he's only going to look worse (if that's possible).

Bookmark it.

I think that you are probably correct in your observations on the running game (I don't know for certain as I did not see all the Chicago games) but you can almost say that for any QB. Romo had 4 games in which he had a poor QB rating. 73.7 against NYG (1st game) we rushed for 69 yards. Lost. 58.7 NYG (2nd game) we rushed for 110 yards. Lost. 58.8 New Orleans, 116 yards rushing, we lost and 45.5 Phi, 83 yards rushing we lost.

I mean, when you get good production from your running game, you have a much better chance of playing well as a QB. That's kinda for anybody IMO.