Which QB Would You Trade Romo For?

[AbeBeta]

Compare both their #'s in their first season under Norv...

not a fair comparison since Troy had 2 years of play and Smith only 1 prior

 

[Stautner]

I think Romo took the risk when he needed to. I don't know about you but it gets old seeing a QB throw a 5 yard pass when the team needed 10 to get the 1st down. Only problem I really saw with Romo was at times he would hold on to long to the ball. I think the biggest help to Romo will come in the form of a more consistent running game so that we are dealing with more manageable downs and distance.

Romo's risks weren't throwing 10 yard passes instead of 5 - they were throwing into coverage when he scrambled or felt pressure.

Don't get me wrong - I agree that a stronger running game would/will help, and obviously stroger pass blocking would/will as well - and and I certainly think the experience should help too. But the fact remains that he took a lot of chances and was fortunate enough to get away with them for awhile ...... though not so much later in the season.

And like I said, I think he'll be fine - but only time will tell.

 

[Doomsday101]

Romo's risks weren't throwing 10 yard passes instead of 5 - they were throwing into coverage when he scrambled or felt pressure.

Don't get me wrong - I agree that a stronger running game would/will help, and obviously stroger pass blocking would/will as well - and and I certainly think the experience should help too. But the fact remains that he took a lot of chances and was fortunate enough to get away with them for awhile ...... though not so much later in the season.

And like I said, I think he'll be fine - but only time will tell.

He also made a lot of big plays off the scrambles. No doubt he took risk but QB's take risk sometimes and I think more often than not those risk paid off. To say he got away with it well Elway got away with a lot of risky plays, Roger Staubach got away with some risky plays, Troy Aikman would throw into the teeth of a double coverage trying to get the ball to Irvin and it paid off more times than not. I would rather see a guy take some risk than to get conservative because he is afraid he could get picked.

 

[Stautner]

He also made a lot of big plays off the scrambles. No doubt he took risk but QB's take risk sometimes and I think more often than not those risk paid off. To say he got away with it well Elway got away with a lot of risky plays, Roger Staubach got away with some risky plays, Troy Aikman would throw into the teeth of a double coverage trying to get the ball to Irvin and it paid off more times than not. I would rather see a guy take some risk than to get conservative because he is afraid he could get picked.

You are way premature using Elway as a comparison.

Elway is what whe HOPE he becomes - he isn't there now.

Which is exactly my point. As I said, I think he will be fine, but whether the risks end up being more Elway-esque or more disastrous is the key, and right now it is just too early to know with any certainty.

The one concern I have is that Elway (and Favre) could often get away with risks based on pure arm strength - they could sometimes get away with rifling a ball through tiny gaps - but Romo's arm strength isn't even close to that level, so he will have to make smarter throws than they did.

 

[Doomsday101]

You are way premature using Elway as a comparison.

Elway is what whe HOPE he becomes - he isn't there now.

Which is exactly my point. As I said, I think he will be fine, but whether the risks end up being more Elway-esk or more disastrous is the key, and right now it is just too early to know with any certainty.

The one concern I have is that Elway (and Favre) could often get away with risks based on pure arm strength - they could sometimes get away with rifling a ball through tiny gaps - but Romo's arm strength isn't even close to that level, so he will have to make smarter throws than they did.

It has nothing to do with comparing the talent of Elway and Romo it is the mindset of going out and making plays. I don't want a QB who is afraid to go out and take some risk to make plays. As for Romo arm strength it may not be that of Elway and Farve but he does have a strong enough arm to make the throws and in many cases he did just that so I don't consider that getting away with anything. One thing I have seen from Romo that I love is the fact he does not go into a shell after being picked off he comes right back at you and that is in my opinion a very good quality and the reason why he was able to put us in a position to win games.

 

[Stautner]

It has nothing to do with comparing the talent of Elway and Romo it is the mindset of going out and making plays. I don't want a QB who is afraid to go out and take some risk to make plays. As for Romo arm strength it may not be that of Elway and Farve but he does have a strong enough arm to make the throws and in many cases he did just that so I don't consider that getting away with anything. One thing I have seen from Romo that I love is the fact he does not go into a shell after being picked off he comes right back at you and that is in my opinion a very good quality and the reason why he was able to put us in a position to win games.

It has everything to do with talent. Surely you don't think Babe Laufenberg could have had the same success as Elway or Favre if only he had the same mindset.

Do you really think a QB with Brad Johsnon's arm strength sould try to fire passes into the same tight coverages that someone with Elway or Favre's arms strength should?

Of course I don't want a QB that is scared to make plays either, but a QB has to be judicious as well, and limit his risks and know what risks his talent qualifies him to take.

In otherwords, taking risks is fine, but you have to be smart about when to do it and how to do it and still do it within the framework of your abilities.

 

[firehawk350]

It has nothing to do with comparing the talent of Elway and Romo it is the mindset of going out and making plays. I don't want a QB who is afraid to go out and take some risk to make plays. As for Romo arm strength it may not be that of Elway and Farve but he does have a strong enough arm to make the throws and in many cases he did just that so I don't consider that getting away with anything. One thing I have seen from Romo that I love is the fact he does not go into a shell after being picked off he comes right back at you and that is in my opinion a very good quality and the reason why he was able to put us in a position to win games.

I don't think any QB is like, you know, I suck and I'm just going to not try to make any plays.

 

[Doomsday101]

It has everything to do with talent. Surely you don't think Babe Laufenberg could have had the same success as Elway or Favre if only he had the same mindset.

Do you really think a QB with Brad Johsnon's arm strength sould try to fire passes into the same tight coverages that someone with Elway or Favre's arms strength should?

Of course I don't want a QB that is scared to make plays either, but a QB has to be judicious as well, and limit his risks and know what risks his talent qualifies him to take.

In otherwords, taking risks is fine, but you have to be smart about when to do it and how to do it and still do it within the framework of your abilities.

I did not say it was mindset alone and yes I think Romo has a strong enough arm to do the job and to put the ball in tight spaces when need be. It may not be that of Elway or Favre but it is strong enough.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think any QB is like, you know, I suck and I'm just going to not try to make any plays.

Oh I think there are guys who get gun shy about making mistakes and get to a point where they are trying to avoid mistakes more than going out and trying to make plays.

 

[AbeBeta]

I did not say it was mindset alone and yes I think Romo has a strong enough arm to do the job and to put the ball in tight spaces when need be. It may not be that of Elway or Favre but it is strong enough.

His arm can overcome some stuff -- but I don't think the arm-decision making balance is there yet

 

[Stautner]

I did not say it was mindset alone and yes I think Romo has a strong enough arm to do the job and to put the ball in tight spaces when need be. It may not be that of Elway or Favre but it is strong enough.

Strong enough for what .......?

Come on, it's relative. His arm is certainly strong enough to be a successful QB in the NFL, but it is not strong enough to take the same chances with it that Elway and Favre would with theirs.

Which is the point.

He will be fine as long as he limits his risks and realizes his limitations.

Oh I think there are guys who get gun shy about making mistakes and get to a point where they are trying to avoid mistakes more than going out and trying to make plays.

This is true, but it is also true that the mistakes in the beginning can be from overconfidence and trying to do too much - and that's what I'm saying Romo has to avoid in order to be successful.

 

[Stautner]

His arm can overcome some stuff -- but I don't think the arm-decision making balance is there yet

That's a good way to put it - he needs to find the right balance, and he also needs to better understand when it's best to just accept a no gain or take a sack or throw it away.

 

[Doomsday101]

His arm can overcome some stuff -- but I don't think the arm-decision making balance is there yet

I agree he still has plenty of room to grow and I think if this team can do a better job of creating more manageable downs and distance that Romo will not be forced to take as many risk. I think he will always be a guy who is willing to go out and take some risk and personally I hope he never loses that. Let the bus drivers drive buses I want a QB who will go out and lead and be willing to take some risk and I do think we have that in Romo.

 

[Stautner]

His arm can overcome some stuff -- but I don't think the arm-decision making balance is there yet

I agree he still has plenty of room to grow and I think if this team can do a better job of creating more manageable downs and distance that Romo will not be forced to take as many risk. I think he will always be a guy who is willing to go out and take some risk and personally I hope he never loses that. Let the bus drivers drive buses I want a QB who will go out and lead and be willing to take some risk and I do think we have that in Romo.

I agree with this completely - if you were to take the gunslinger out of Romo his ability to be effective would likely be gone as well.

He just needs to pick his moments a little better and he will be fine.

 

[Doomsday101]

Strong enough for what .......?

Come on, it's relative. His arm is certainly strong enough to be a successful QB in the NFL, but it is not strong enough to take the same chances with it that Elway and Favre would with theirs.

Which is the point.

He will be fine as long as he limits his risks and realizes his limitations.



This is true, but it is also true that the mistakes in the beginning can be from overconfidence and trying to do too much - and that's what I'm saying Romo has to avoid in order to be successful.

Strong enough to put the ball into tight places and do so with very high accuracy. I don't think Romo was very foolish with the ball last year and at least in my opinion I don't think he took a lot of bad risk. Yes he took some risk and yes he suffered some picks but please name me 1 QB who has ever played this game who didn't?

 

[Stautner]

Strong enough to put the ball into tight places and do so with very high accuracy. I don't think Romo was very foolish with the ball last year and at least in my opinion I don't think he took a lot of bad risk. Yes he took some risk and yes he suffered some picks but please name me 1 QB who has ever played this game who didn't?

Again, strong enough to put the ball in the right places is a relative thing - it's only strong enough to fit into THOSE PARTICULAR right places that his arm strength will allow.

My concern isn't that he doesn't have enough arm to put the ball into SOME tight spaces, just that he might (and he has) attempted to put the ball into some tight spaces that his arm wasn't strong enough to handle ....... and more troublesome is the concern that he will (and he has) tried to put the ball into some spaces that nobody's arm strength could handle.

But I suppose our real difference of opinion is in that you don't think he took unnecessary risks last year and I do.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think it happened all the time, and I do agree there are times when risks, even eccessive one, have to be taken. I just thought he took too many and was fortunate to get away with is early on - but he wasn't able to do that later on.

Another manifestation of this is all the fumbles he had late in the year - rather than except that there wasn't a play to be made, throwing the ball away and leaving us a chance on the next down he would try to scramble in traffic and get hit and lose the ball.

Again, we don't want to take away his confidence in his abilities, but he does need to be more judicious ........

after all, one lost fumble hurts a lot more than one play with no gain - and also it hurts a lot more than one more complete pass helps.

 

[AbeBeta]

I agree he still has plenty of room to grow and I think if this team can do a better job of creating more manageable downs and distance that Romo will not be forced to take as many risk. I think he will always be a guy who is willing to go out and take some risk and personally I hope he never loses that. Let the bus drivers drive buses I want a QB who will go out and lead and be willing to take some risk and I do think we have that in Romo.

Sure, I want a leader too -- however, the real leaders are guys who know when to take the risk and when to drive the bus. You have to do both to be successful in this league.

 

[Stautner]

Sure, I want a leader too -- however, the real leaders are guys who know when to take the risk and when to drive the bus. You have to do both to be successful in this league.

Bingo.

And there is even an in-between area where you might be willing to assume some risk maybe greater than the norm, just not to the point of being careless. It's not just a matter of all risk or all safe with no swagger.

It's all about making smart decisions.

 

[AbeBeta]

Bingo.

And there is even an in-between area where you might be willing to assume some risk maybe greater than the norm, just not to the point of being careless. It's not just a matter of all risk or all safe with no swagger.

It's all about making smart decisions.

Stop agreeing with me. It makes me feel unclean.

 

[Stautner]

Stop agreeing with me. It makes me feel unclean.

Trust me, it doesn't leave me feeling good about myself either.