Which QB Would You Trade Romo For?

[Vintage]

That's pretty much how it is going to be for any talented QB -- yes, i do think Grossman has talent. Most Qbs with a shred of talent are going to break off some stellar games.

The young guys will be all over the board with their performances. Good QBs limit the bad games -- they pull a 70 rating out of a games where they struggle -- they turn to busdriver on those bad days - not winning the game for the team but at least not losing it for them.

I know. Grossman is still young. He started for the entire year for the first time last year. He had ups and downs as every QB does.

I am not sure he'll ever be great, but I can see him becoming a pretty solid QB.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I didn't say Rivers was better.

I said I'd trade Romo for him.

Why would you trade for a guy that you don't think is better than the guy you have?? You just like his name better or something?

If you will trade for Rivers.. it means you think he is better than Romo,, anything else makes no sense.

 

[Vintage]

Well, that's rational.

I'd trade JJ for Adrian Peterson in a heart beat. Peterson hasn't proven to be a better NFL back than JJ, yet, I'd do it.

Why would you trade for a guy that you don't think is better than the guy you have?? You just like his name better or something?

If you will trade for Rivers.. it means you think he is better than Romo,, anything else makes no sense.

Yeah, I like his name better. That's the only reason I'd do the trade. Rivers just sounds so much cooler than Romo.

 

[firehawk350]

Did I say Campbell was better? No. Do you disagree that he showed promise? If you do, then you disagree with anybody with any claim to unbiased in this situation. He had a 77 QB rating when thrown to the wolves halfway through the season after not getting a single snap with the first team ever after being introduced to maybe the most complex offensive system in the game right now. He shows poise and intelligence, and we all know he has the physical gifts to play at this level. If he can put it all together, only time will tell.

Matt Leinart had a 74 QB rating, does that mean he is going to suck too? Vince Young had a 66 (or 68, I forget) QB rating, is he doomed too?

 

[Vintage]

Did I say Campbell was better? No. Do you disagree that he showed promise? If you do, then you disagree with anybody with any claim to unbiased in this situation. He had a 77 QB rating when thrown to the wolves halfway through the season after not getting a single snap with the first team ever after being introduced to maybe the most complex offensive system in the game right now. He shows poise and intelligence, and we all know he has the physical gifts to play at this level. If he can put it all together, only time will tell.

Matt Leinart had a 74 QB rating, does that mean he is going to suck too? Vince Young had a 66 (or 68, I forget) QB rating, is he doomed too?

I thought you dumbed down your offense for Campbell.

 

[AbeBeta]

What you have to really like about Rivers was that he was consistent -- his PR was below 75 in only 2 games. That's an excellent sign for a young QB b/c consistency is what they usually lack coming in.

 

[firehawk350]

I thought you dumbed down your offense for Campbell.

If they did, I never heard it. I do know that Saunders only uses 200 pages of his playbook on game day, and never the same 200 two games in a row.

 

[Doomsday101]

What you have to really like about Rivers was that he was consistent -- his PR was below 75 in only 2 games. That's an excellent sign for a young QB b/c consistency is what they usually lack coming in.

I agree Rivers looks to be a very good QB and he could not have asked for a better RB to help take the pressure off of him as LT has. That is not a knock on Rivers but I do think it is a big burden taken off the QB's back when he turns around and has the league’s best RB behind him. For Romo it seem every time we turned around he was having to overcome poor down and distance yet still managed to put this team in a position to win in almost every game he played last season even in his bad outings he still managed to keep his head in the game and put the team in a position to win.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Did I say Campbell was better? No. Do you disagree that he showed promise? If you do, then you disagree with anybody with any claim to unbiased in this situation. He had a 77 QB rating when thrown to the wolves halfway through the season after not getting a single snap with the first team ever after being introduced to maybe the most complex offensive system in the game right now. He shows poise and intelligence, and we all know he has the physical gifts to play at this level. If he can put it all together, only time will tell.

Matt Leinart had a 74 QB rating, does that mean he is going to suck too? Vince Young had a 66 (or 68, I forget) QB rating, is he doomed too?

2 things I want to mention..

This notion that Campell was just thrown out there with no reps is stupid. Of course he had reps with the 1st team. All back ups have reps with the 1st team.. not many but they do get them.

The second thing.. you guys were only using 2% of your playbook.. how hard can that be to learn??

I like JC.. I am a huge AU fan.. and I hope he does well.. but to say that he was anything but horrible last year is a stretch.

 

[firehawk350]

2 things I want to mention..

This notion that Campell was just thrown out there with no reps is stupid. Of course he had reps with the 1st team. All back ups have reps with the 1st team.. not many but they do get them.

The second thing.. you guys were only using 2% of your playbook.. how hard can that be to learn??

I like JC.. I am a huge AU fan.. and I hope he does well.. but to say that he was anything but horrible last year is a stretch.

No, JC didn't take any snaps with the first team, they have said that plenty enough times. He was the #3 QB.

Throwing a TD in every game, throwing almost twice as many TDs then INTs, showing excellent rushing capability (broke 3 tackles to rush for a first down once). All those are traits of a horrible QB?

 

[adamknite]

If they did, I never heard it. I do know that Saunders only uses 200 pages of his playbook on game day, and never the same 200 two games in a row.

I'd like to direct your attention here

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89795

And again say.....

maybe you just don't know your team as well as you think you do. Mister "Cartwright isn't ever in on punts"

 

[AbeBeta]

I agree Rivers looks to be a very good QB and he could not have asked for a better RB to help take the pressure off of him as LT has. That is not a knock on Rivers but I do think it is a big burden taken off the QB's back when he turns around and has the league’s best RB behind him. For Romo it seem every time we turned around he was having to overcome poor down and distance yet still managed to put this team in a position to win in almost every game he played last season even in his bad outings he still managed to keep his head in the game and put the team in a position to win.

The one place I see a big difference between Rivers and Romo is decision making - Romo has that Favre-like mentality which I love - but Favre could make crazy decisions b/c he has a tremendous arm. Last year, Romo got away with a ton of plays that could have easily turned awful for him. 3 or 4 of those risky plays turn out differently and we likely are having a very different discussion today. Possibly, even about whether Quinn or Romo is going to start.

 

[theogt]

I'd trade JJ for Adrian Peterson in a heart beat. Peterson hasn't proven to be a better NFL back than JJ, yet, I'd do it.

I would too. But that's not quite the same situation, is it?

 

[jterrell]

brady
manning
....

after those two then I gotta factor in price and age.

palmer
young
brees
rivers--probably would do so based on upside potential
jason campbell--not sure i would but possibly. i'd have to consider how campbell might be held back by being on a crap team.
jay culver--a consideration but alas probably no.
matt leinart--naw, his overall athleticism is just not what it was made out to be imho.

i would not go for older, injured guys who hadn't already proven they can win championships.

 

[firehawk350]

I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to be looking at here...

 

[Doomsday101]

The one place I see a big difference between Rivers and Romo is decision making - Romo has that Favre-like mentality which I love - but Favre could make crazy decisions b/c he has a tremendous arm. Last year, Romo got away with a ton of plays that could have easily turned awful for him. 3 or 4 of those risky plays turn out differently and we likely are having a very different discussion today. Possibly, even about whether Quinn or Romo is going to start.

I agree Romo at times takes big risk but I do think being stuck in 2nd and long and 3rd and long helps create that mindset of taking risk.

 

[Stautner]

The one place I see a big difference between Rivers and Romo is decision making - Romo has that Favre-like mentality which I love - but Favre could make crazy decisions b/c he has a tremendous arm. Last year, Romo got away with a ton of plays that could have easily turned awful for him. 3 or 4 of those risky plays turn out differently and we likely are having a very different discussion today. Possibly, even about whether Quinn or Romo is going to start.

I agree Romo at times takes big risk but I do think being stuck in 2nd and long and 3rd and long helps create that mindset of taking risk.

I agree completely with abersonc about Romo - the decision making is the big key that will determine his future. I think too many fans look at the initial success and just think it's a given that he will do as well or better with more experience, but it is true that had a few of those bad decisions hurt him as much as they could have then the viewpoint would be completely different.

I also agree with Doomsday's comment about 2nd or 3rd and long creating the midset to take risks - and certainly there are times you have to take risks - but in general a successful QB has to control his mindset and know when to play it safe and when to take risks and not jeaopardize the game with untimely or ill-advised risks.

I believe Romo will learn that - and for the sake of the team he had better because that is the one thing that could hold him back.

 

[L-O-Jete]

He hasn't had the opportunity to SIT for 2 years and learn like Romo has. What do you think Romo would have put up in those first two years. Hell, he BARELY made the team his first year.

Comparing him to another #1 overall pick, Troy Aikman, he stacks up well. Troy's first two years yielded 155-293 for 1749 yards, 9 tds and 11 picks with a 55.7 rating. Year 2 was 226-399 for 2579, 11 td, 18 int for a 66.6 rating. Smith put up 84-165 for 875 with 1td and 11 picks, 40.8 in his first year, then 257-442 for 2890 with 16td and 16 picks, 74.8 rating.

Compare both their #'s in their first season under Norv...

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree completely with abersonc about Romo - the decision making is the big key that will determine his future. I think too many fans look at the initial success and just think it's a given that he will do as well or better with more experience, but it is true that had a few of those bad decisions hurt him as much as they could have then the viewpoint would be completely different.

I also agree with Doomsday's comment about 2nd or 3rd and long creating the midset to take risks - and certainly there are times you have to take risks - but in general a successful QB has to control his mindset and know when to play it safe and when to take risks and not jeaopardize the game with untimely or ill-advised risks.

I believe Romo will learn that - and for the sake of the team he had better because that is the one thing that could hold him back.

I think Romo took the risk when he needed to. I don't know about you but it gets old seeing a QB throw a 5 yard pass when the team needed 10 to get the 1st down. Only problem I really saw with Romo was at times he would hold on to long to the ball. I think the biggest help to Romo will come in the form of a more consistent running game so that we are dealing with more manageable downs and distance.

 

[AbeBeta]

I agree Romo at times takes big risk but I do think being stuck in 2nd and long and 3rd and long helps create that mindset of taking risk.

If it were purely situational, I think it would be offset by a strong coach like Parcells.