Who here believes Jerry wants to keep Jason?

[Gemini Dolly]

Whether we lose by 50 or 1, Garrett is here next year. The moment Romo was done, it was settled. Garrett gets another year. If we win, Garrett may get two years. YIKES.

 

[visionary]

Garret will stay because he is the perfect Jerry jones HC

1. Intelligent and well spoken and well-versed in football cliches so can talk the talk
2. Spineless yes -man and will go along with whatever Jerry says but will give the outward appearance of having control
3. Truly a Jerry jones product (no success to speak if as QB coach or OC ) so that if he has ANY success Jerry gets the credit for "recognizing" this "great" talent

 

[cml750]

Whether we lose by 50 or 1, Garrett is here next year. The moment Romo was done, it was settled. Garrett gets another year. If we win, Garrett may get two years. YIKES.

Sad but probably true. It will be another wasted year.

 

[pjtoadie]

Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus57s
“@mikelyons3: Do you feel that Romo injury gives JJ built in excuse not to make any coaching changes if they lose?” No. Whole body of work

 

[khiladi]

The real thing that blows my mind are the Tom Landry comparisons.

They are completely based on an idea about Landry that is just not factual.

This is an old article about Landry from Gary Cartwright.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/tom-landry-melting-plastic-man

Long article but a great picture of what Landry was truly like. And he was not exactly a warm guiding life mentor for everybody.

That was some great writing... As an aside, while Romo may be goofy like Meredith, Jason Garrett ain't innovative like Tom nor anything like him.. Garrett is a goofy politician.

 

[khiladi]

Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus57s
“@mikelyons3: Do you feel that Romo injury gives JJ built in excuse not to make any coaching changes if they lose?” No. Whole body of work

If Jerry doesn't fire him, it's not that he's dumb, it's because he's gone senile.

 

[khiladi]

Worst coach ever?

You really believe your own hyperbole don't you.

Yeah, worst coach ever. Zorn almost had his guys in the playoffs with a backup QB. We struggle with Romo. He was also stripped of play-calling duties mid-season and unlike the red-headed genius his team got worse.

 

[Stash]

Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus57s
“@mikelyons3: Do you feel that Romo injury gives JJ built in excuse not to make any coaching changes if they lose?” No. Whole body of work

I have to hope that this is truly the case.

8-8, 8-8, and 8-8 with losses in three consecutive win-and-in games, against all three division rivals should absolutely equal fired.

For me, the record-setting done this year - all in the wrong direction - would have been enough.

 

[ragman]

Jason stays, unfortunately.

 

[Vanilla2]

Yeah, worst coach ever. Zorn almost had his guys in the playoffs with a backup QB. We struggle with Romo. He was also stripped of play-calling duties mid-season and unlike the red-headed genius his team got worse.

Does anything change in your mind if they win tomorrow?

I forget. How anti jerry are you?

 

[Risen Star]

How sad is it that Jerry is "the face" of this team? Ugh.

Sad enough to put me in a football depression since Clinton was in office.

 

[Dodger12]

No, I don't. I also don't agree with Bill Belichick's decision to go for it on 4th and 3 in his own territory against Peyton Manning and the Colts a few years back. I didn't think he should be fired for it either, and I wouldn't have thought he should even if he hadn't had the success he has. Fire a coach when they lose the team, not when they make a human error.

Then you could say that and question why JG would make the same epic mistake twice in 3 years. These are the types of improbable losses that we've rarely seen in the history of the game, let alone multiple times in a season or the past three seasons. Yet, you put it solely on injuries in your post and none on the HC.

No one in the NFL can overcome the type of injuries that have beset this team, the Packers, the Falcons, etc. In other words, our failures due to injuries are not unique. It happens when you have to use too many warm bodies instead of your best players.

In the GB game, we overcame the injuries to take a commanding lead and what happened the second half in terms of game management was an absolute head scratcher. I can deal with the injuries, but not that type of game time coaching. That's something no team can consistently overcome. And a couple of years ago we did the same thing against Detroit and completely blew a big second half lead in completely historic and improbable fashion. These are not injury issues, but rather coaching and it was no where mentioned in your post except when I asked you about it and you deflected with a Belichick analogy.

I understand your position and you've been clear with it. No one is going to change anyone's mind but I do wonder why a guy that's been a fan as long as you can not give an honest critique of a game like GB and not lay it all on the feet of injuries which, no doubt, does play a part in it, but that was an absolute coaching failure. Yes, Belichick may have made the wrong call on 4th down. But JG completely failed coaching 101 the whole 2nd half.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

It doesn't matter if the players like him or not. The players liked Wade too. They don't respond to him.

 

[cml750]

Does anything change in your mind if they win tomorrow?

I forget. How anti jerry are you?

This question was not directed at me, however I feel while Jerry is a problem, a really huge problem, that problem is not going away any time soon. So my feelings are to do my best to hope Jerry does the right thing like bringing in a new coach. Jerry will never change or sell the team. He will be a problem until he passes away. To be a fan of the team, you don't have to like Jerry(who does????), but you do have to accept the fact he isn't going anywhere. We just have to hope he does the right thing starting with a new "real" coach and give up on the job training failure we are currently stuck with.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

if the Cowboys lose due to the typical monumental collapse like the Detroit/GB game, I see Garret fired. And truthfully I can see that collapse happen more than being blown out of this game.

 

[Risen Star]

the truly sad thing is that the real reason many support Garrett is not because they still think he is a good/great HC but because their own football ego's are tied to the success or failure of garrett and not of the cowboys. if garrett is a failure, they would need to admit they were duped and their ego's (like that of jerry) could not take that hit. and these are people who have been telling others how they know more about football than others and have been ridiculing others.

that is the real reason

That might be true for some people, I don't know, but I think the more common issue is fans that will simply spin whatever the current situation is into a positive. Garrett's here, so he's Landry-like. If he gets fired, OMG I am so excited about the new coach.

We MUST do this in the offseason! We didn't do it? SO stoked for the new season! This is our year!

Wait a second......anybody else getting the feeling that Kyle Orton is actually the better option?!

Of course there's nothing wrong with thinking your team is going in the right direction and can contend for a title, we all want to feel good about this team, but when you believe it every single year, particularly during what is inarguably the worst era of Cowboys football in it's history, you just come across as delusional and a waste of a read. It doesn't mean anything to me that you like a move we've made. You like every move. You're not capable of telling me anything else. You're a cheerleader. Give me the fans who can actually put their rooting interests aside and analyze the situation. That opinion is meaningful to me. And, trust me, that group is rooting just as intensely during games as any other.

I've seen a radical shift in the fan base over the last 3 or 4 years. The nothing to see here crowd is thinning. More and more fans are accepting the situation we're in. Being saddled with a mad man who will take the Cowboys down with him until he draws his last breath. Then left to hope his offspring will be any different. It's the cards we've been dealt. It's the reality we live in. We won't leave. This is our team. We don't know how to be anything other than Cowboys fans. So these forums have become more of a support group these days.

Hey, bro....I feel your pain. Let's talk about it.

 

[cml750]

if the Cowboys lose due to the typical monumental collapse like the Detroit/GB game, I see Garret fired. And truthfully I can see that collapse happen more than being blown out of this game.

The "collapse" has become Jason Garrett's signature!!!!!

 

[KJJ]

Remember last offseason when Jerry did everything in his powers to make Jason quit and now it seems like he has fallen back in love with his pet. What is the deal here? Is Jerry really this crazy or should we not believe all this Garrett love from Jerry? Once again I can't make any sense of Jerry just as I can't make any sense of his comments where he seems to contradict himself almost every time.

You got it all wrong Jerry did everything in his powers to keep from having to fire Garrett. He stripped him of his play calling duties to try and free him up so he could manage games better. He made changes all around Garrett including forcing his brother out and firing Ryan just to keep him on the sidelines. Jerry is reducing as many of Garrett's responsibilities as possible to keep him from screwing things up but to still make him look like he's heavily involved. All he has him doing is standing around with headsets on relaying plays to Romo that are coming from Callahan. This is all about Jerry's ego the last thing he wants to do is have to fire Garrett signifying the hiring was a mistake. Jerry said a few weeks ago that regardless of the Cowboys record this season Garrett is coming back does that sound like he wants him out?

Garrett has no business being an NFL HC but Jerry continues to surround himself with yes men which is why his team keeps spinning it's wheels every year at 8-8.. He brought Garrett to Dallas in 07 to groom him to be the Cowboys next head coach after cream puff. He made Garrett the highest paid coordinator in the NFL to keep him in Dallas. It was probably Jerry's idea for Garrett to stop wearing a ball cap this season to make him look more like a HC and less like a spectator. Jerry wants to win but he's more interested in doing things his way and making money. If he can keep his stadium filled every week with a mediocre team that keeps missing the playoffs and a puppet for a HC there's no reason to bring in a quality HC who he would have to share the spotlight with and would require more control.

 

[Coy]

He wants to keep Jason because he wants to be proven right, remember, he chose him, although I could bet that in the back of his mind he has tons of questions about Garrett.
It's just incredile to think that the Dallas Cowboys, America's most recognized sports franchise (this side of the yankees) has Jason Garrett as a coach, it just puzzlez me, go look around the world, the best and most known sports teams have hall of famers or at least proven Coaches but not here, not the Dallas Cowboys, they go with a HC who played a career back up QB for their team and hire him to run their offense and then their team after being a QB coach for the Miami freaking Dolphins. That's why this team is where it is.
He may very well be a good HC in the future (doubt it) but it is just unfair that we as fans and most of all to the players that had to go through the learning curve with Garrett, Jerry wasted the careers of Witten, Romo and Ware, 3 building blocks for any franchise that didn't amount to anything special because he couldn't hire a HC competent enough to lead a team to the playoffs and beyond.

 

[Vanilla2]

This question was not directed at me, however I feel while Jerry is a problem, a really huge problem, that problem is not going away any time soon. So my feelings are to do my best to hope Jerry does the right thing like bringing in a new coach. Jerry will never change or sell the team. He will be a problem until he passes away. To be a fan of the team, you don't have to like Jerry(who does????), but you do have to accept the fact he isn't going anywhere. We just have to hope he does the right thing starting with a new "real" coach and give up on the job training failure we are currently stuck with.

You have to hope Jerry does the right thing as a fan.

I get that.

But in your mind when has he done that in terms of assembling a coaching staff?

Everybody wants change for the sake of change but they want the person they least want miming the decisions to make the decision.

It's insanity.

And I'm not saying this as fervent Garrett supporter.

I personally would just like to see this team have some continuity for once.