Who here believes Jerry wants to keep Jason?

[Hostile]

Then you could say that and question why JG would make the same epic mistake twice in 3 years. These are the types of improbable losses that we've rarely seen in the history of the game, let alone multiple times in a season or the past three seasons. Yet, you put it solely on injuries in your post and none on the HC.

In the GB game, we overcame the injuries to take a commanding lead and what happened the second half in terms of game management was an absolute head scratcher. I can deal with the injuries, but not that type of game time coaching. That's something no team can consistently overcome. And a couple of years ago we did the same thing against Detroit and completely blew a big second half lead in completely historic and improbable fashion. These are not injury issues, but rather coaching and it was no where mentioned in your post except when I asked you about it and you deflected with a Belichick analogy.

I understand your position and you've been clear with it. No one is going to change anyone's mind but I do wonder why a guy that's been a fan as long as you can not give an honest critique of a game like GB and not lay it all on the feet of injuries which, no doubt, does play a part in it, but that was an absolute coaching failure. Yes, Belichick may have made the wrong call on 4th down. But JG completely failed coaching 101 the whole 2nd half.

First of all, I have seen hundreds of football losses over the years. I gave up the juvenile this one is worse than any other crappola a long, long time ago. All losses suck. I have never experienced a loss though, that I was going to let affect me the way some in here act when we lose.

Did you ever watch Tom Landry after a win or loss? Stoic, walked off the field, took it like a man, went back to work, and got ready for the next game. I admire that. I wanted to be like that. I wasn't always like that. I remember times playing the game when if we lost I looked for any excuse to get into a fist fight. As if that was going to make me feel better. It doesn't. Not if you have any sort of intelligence and character. I had to develop some. I believe we have a team that is developing that. I happen to think that matters long term. I have my reasons.

Second of all, I am not laying the Green Bay loss on injuries. I am laying 8-7 on injuries. There is a big difference between one half of football and 7 losses. While I do not spend my time looking for scapegoats the way some people do, it is not all hard for me to acknowledge that we lost the Green Bay game because we failed to run the football and the clock. Now, this did not happen and is purely a hypothetical, but let me ask you something. Can you honestly sit there and tell me that if we had not thrown a single pass in the second half, had run the ball like our life depended on it, stalled drives, or fumbled the ball away, and still lost the game that the loss would be any easier for you to take? You'd be okay with it, because we ran the ball to try and control the game?

See, I can't I'd feel any better about it if we lost that way. Every time there is a loss people go scrambling to find someone to blame. I 100% guarantee you the threads would have been about how in the first half we scored because of the passing game, and we abandoned it and lost. There is absolutely no respect for the game itself on this forum. No acknowledgement that the other football team outplayed us, it is always a case of we would have won if _____________. Well, I just don't believe in that thinking. I don't lay losses on referees, even though at times I think they affect an outcome. I don't lay losses on a single play or a single play call. I don't lay losses on anything except execution. We lose when we fail to execute.

The fact of the matter is this team has fought their hearts out all year, but sometimes the other team is simply better. The only losses where we just flat out got whooped were Chicago and New Orleans. I absolutely think if we were healthy we could have stopped Detroit. I believe we could have stopped Green Bay. I believe we could have beaten the Chargers team that played the Raiders the very next week and turned it over 5 times. I believe we could have beaten the Broncos team that turned it over 4 times to the Chargers. I believe we could have beaten the Bears team that looked stupid against Philly last week. I believe we could beat the Saitns team that rolled over to the Rams a couple of weeks ago.

But on the nights we played those teams, I give them credit for being the better team that night. I think we absolutely need health on the Defensive side of the football if we want to be the better team more often. I can't even begin to fathom why some people apparently think that if _____________ was here as our HC we wouldn't even miss these players and would win all these games. Let me be real, no we wouldn't. Just like in Green Bay, where a team I thought was going to be one of the top 3 in the NFC is in the same boat we are. Injuries killed them. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? If you don't disagree with it, why put Dallas on a different level of judgment? What about Atlanta? You don't think the injuries they have had this year pushed that great team from last year into the gutter this year? I'm sorry, I don't agree.

I happen to think if the Cowboys, Falcons, and Packers were all reasonably healthy that each would be a better team than they have shown this year. It is pretty clear to me that where we are sadly lacking is on the Defensive side of the football. I saw an idiot on here yesterday or today talking about how this Offense is so sad. That's stupid. This team is tied for the 3rd highest scoring team in the NFL. The obvious problem here has been stopping the other team. Why can't we stop them? Because we didn't runt he ball against Green Bay? Because of a time out in 2011? Or shouldn't we admit the obvious, no team can overcome that much injury?

 

[Hostile]

Garrett hasn't learned.If you say so. I assume you need to believe this and want no further discussion from me.

When I read this, it gave me the impression you were saying I was stubborn or close-minded.

My bad if that was not the case.

Not the case.

 

[Hostile]

So the players are completely behind Garrett and we're still continuing to be mediocre?! I think a lot of us were hoping that Garrett was the one holding us back. I think I'm going to be sick now

I think injuries on the Defensive side of the football are what is holding us back.

 

[Hostile]

That goes for me as well!

(She's undoubtedly a kind and patient woman!)

She's a saint, and way too good for me, and I know it.

 

[Dodger12]

Jerry would get all the praise in the world from me if he gets well respected football guys and works with them. I'm not asking him to cede involvement, but man, involve yourself with the best minds in the game and absorb from them. Not Lacewell, Jim Garrett and Red Head.

Of course he would (get praise), despite what some here would want to believe. On the flip side, he deserves all the heat he gets all the way down to getting booed when his pictures comes on the big screen or getting booed in your own stadium while hosting a high school football game. I refuse to believe Dallas fans, as a whole, don't see the issue.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I think injuries on the Defensive side of the football are what is holding us back.

Lck of depth on defense to cover the injuries is the problem. Too many fat, unproductive contracts leaves little for quality depth. Filling out the bottom of your roster with UDFA's and seasonal workers at Lowe's and Home Depot is not the way to do it. There is no middle class on the Cowboys for the type of rotaional players needed to make it through a season. All teams have injuries this time of year.

 

[Hostile]

Lck of depth on defense to cover the injuries is the problem. Too many fat, unproductive contracts leaves little for quality depth. Filling out the bottom of your roster with UDFA's and seasonal workers at Lowe's and Home Depot is not the way to do it. There is no middle class on the Cowboys for the type of rotaional players needed to make it through a season. All teams have injuries this time of year.

I do not equate all injuries equally. For example, the Carolina Panthers have 3 WRs on IR and Steve Smith doubtful for tomorrow. I will take that every week of every season from now until I take a dirt nap over losing a Julio Jones to IR. I take Julio Jones over all 4 of those players combined. A pity Atlanta didn't know about the WRs at Lowes and Home Depot. That is news to me too.

 

[Gaede]

Players "like" Jason Garrett. Nothing more subjective then that as evidence of his great coaching ability. Players liked Wade too, including psycho-crazy ones that normally don't like anyone,I.e. Ratliff. At least Wade had 2 division titles, 2 playoff appearances and a playoff win.

Not possible to dispute this. Wade got results, but no hype--because he wasn't a thin, ivy-league, 'hot-shot'

Garrett vs Wade is perception vs reality. Perception of ability vs reality of results

 

[visionary]

That might be true for some people, I don't know, but I think the more common issue is fans that will simply spin whatever the current situation is into a positive. Garrett's here, so he's Landry-like. If he gets fired, OMG I am so excited about the new coach.

We MUST do this in the offseason! We didn't do it? SO stoked for the new season! This is our year!

Wait a second......anybody else getting the feeling that Kyle Orton is actually the better option?!

Of course there's nothing wrong with thinking your team is going in the right direction and can contend for a title, we all want to feel good about this team, but when you believe it every single year, particularly during what is inarguably the worst era of Cowboys football in it's history, you just come across as delusional and a waste of a read. It doesn't mean anything to me that you like a move we've made. You like every move. You're not capable of telling me anything else. You're a cheerleader. Give me the fans who can actually put their rooting interests aside and analyze the situation. That opinion is meaningful to me. And, trust me, that group is rooting just as intensely during games as any other.

I've seen a radical shift in the fan base over the last 3 or 4 years. The nothing to see here crowd is thinning. More and more fans are accepting the situation we're in. Being saddled with a mad man who will take the Cowboys down with him until he draws his last breath. Then left to hope his offspring will be any different. It's the cards we've been dealt. It's the reality we live in. We won't leave. This is our team. We don't know how to be anything other than Cowboys fans. So these forums have become more of a support group these days.

Hey, bro....I feel your pain. Let's talk about it.

Great post
Agree with you
Still hoping we pull it out tomorrow

 

[Risen Star]

You have to hope Jerry does the right thing as a fan.

I get that.

But in your mind when has he done that in terms of assembling a coaching staff?

Everybody wants change for the sake of change but they want the person they least want miming the decisions to make the decision.

It's insanity.

And I'm not saying this as fervent Garrett supporter.

I personally would just like to see this team have some continuity for once.

Get the right structure and people in place, then I'll campaign for continuity.

 

[Zekeats]

Where do people come up with this stuff. And why?

For the real cowboys fans who are around every year it was pretty apparent and well know that Jerry was screwing with Jason to see if he would quit so he wouldn't even have to pay out his contract. Are you serious or did you completely miss all of last years offseason.

 

[Doomsay]

Problem is, Jason knows that he will probably never sniff this kind of money again and will suffer any indignity just to extend the gravy run.

 

[jazzcat22]

For the real cowboys fans who are around every year it was pretty apparent and well know that Jerry was screwing with Jason to see if he would quit so he wouldn't even have to pay out his contract. Are you serious or did you completely miss all of last years offseason.

Wow really?
First I take offense by you saying I'm not a real fan [not really, as I don't care] but just for sake of you stating that.
Again, how does someone come up with this stuff, and yes I was around and I didn't think this one bit.
I bet those who do are also outlandish in conspiracy theories.

 

[Alexander]

Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus57s
“@mikelyons3: Do you feel that Romo injury gives JJ built in excuse not to make any coaching changes if they lose?” No. Whole body of work

Jones stated Garrett has nothing to improve upon.

"There’s not one thing that I’ve seen in where he could improve – and I’m talking Jason Garrett – that is terminal relative to him being an outstanding head coach."

So there is that.

 

[jobberone]

I think that's a completely reasonable position to take.

Hypothetically, what would YOU do if the team were to get soundly beaten Sunday Night?

I don't know Stash. We don't have the working knowledge necessary to make a decision like that. My coaching is very minor compared to these guys so whatever I say needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

STs is fine for the moment.

The offense is able to contend.

The defense is unknowable AFAIC. I'd probably stay the course for another year and see what the team can do with a decent defense. Kiffin planned to play something like Seattle does. I'd like to see that. If the team has a reasonable degree of health then I'd look at the end of the year and see where we improved, what we did right and wrong, and evaluate the coaching staff accordingly. Wins and losses are part of the equation but a lot more would go into it.

I'm not a Garrett fan and I've doled out praise and criticism as warranted. I just don't know how to evaluate this team now. But I'd have little patience with this team next year. OTOH, I might wake up one day in early February and fire the HC. I don't know what the right thing to do is but when that happens I tend to become more cautious and patient allowing things to move on their own. You can always fire someone. You have several years invested in this direction so I see no reason not to wait another year to see if the tree produces fruit after two years of bad weather.

 

[Doomsday]

I think JG will definitely be back and in my opinion it really doesnt matter a ton who the coach is right now, the talent just isnt there.

 

[Dodger12]

Second of all, I am not laying the Green Bay loss on injuries. I am laying 8-7 on injuries. There is a big difference between one half of football and 7 losses. While I do not spend my time looking for scapegoats the way some people do, it is not all hard for me to acknowledge that we lost the Green Bay game because we failed to run the football and the clock. Now, this did not happen and is purely a hypothetical, but let me ask you something. Can you honestly sit there and tell me that if we had not thrown a single pass in the second half, had run the ball like our life depended on it, stalled drives, or fumbled the ball away, and still lost the game that the loss would be any easier for you to take? You'd be okay with it, because we ran the ball to try and control the game?

I can honestly say that you can attribute many of our losses on injuries. That much is obvious. But a better coach can mean the difference in a game or two a year which can mean a playoff birth or sitting at home in January. The GB game was a microcosm of what is wrong with this team and they all came back to haunt us; a defense decimated by injuries and a poor HC who can't coach with a 3 touchdown lead in the second half and is completely pass happy.

As to your question regarding not throwing a single pass the second half, no one has ever advocated that, certainly not me. But when you're running the ball at 5 to 7 yards a clip, then you continue to run the ball with a 3 TD lead in the second half not only because you want to protect that lead, but also protect your D and shorten the game for them AND continue to do what was working that got you that lead in the first place. There is no way that you throw 14 or 15 straight passes. That's as absurd as not passing the ball and only running it which was your hypothetical question.

See, I can't I'd feel any better about it if we lost that way. Every time there is a loss people go scrambling to find someone to blame. I 100% guarantee you the threads would have been about how in the first half we scored because of the passing game, and we abandoned it and lost. There is absolutely no respect for the game itself on this forum. No acknowledgement that the other football team outplayed us, it is always a case of we would have won if _____________. No acknowledgement that the other football team outplayed us, it is always a case of we would have won if _____________. Well, I just don't believe in that thinking. I don't lay losses on referees, even though at times I think they affect an outcome. I don't lay losses on a single play or a single play call. I don't lay losses on anything except execution. We lose when we fail to execute.

No one ever wants their team to lose. I could accept the Denver loss. I could even accept the Chicago blow-out loss. But thy're nowhere near the same as a the GB loss. I was sick to my stomach and not every loss is the same. We had that game. We lost in improbable fashion which is something this team has had a habit of doing under this current coaching regime. It happens so often that you even start to lose track of the games.

I will absolutely not concede that GB outplayed us. No way will I concede that we lost because of poor execution. No way, no how. Hell, even GB players won't concede that. On the contrary, they publicly thanked us for getting away from the run which was physically beating them down the first half. People questioning an abysmal second half strategy on a message board has absolutely nothing to do with lacking any "respect for the game." What does that even mean? Does Aikman lack respect for the game? I can understand that idiot Joe Buck trying to turn the whole second half into a story line but Aikman? Do former players and coaches that are now talking heads on ESPN and/or the NFL Network who questioned what the hell we were doing in the second half also have no respect for the game?

On the contrary, people like me respect the game enough to understand that you need a quality HC leading a team, especially in today's NFL where parity rules. I don't minimize the importance of a quality HC, unlike someone we both know. I don't claim that any one of 500 coaches can win with team "X." I don't force my HC to fire his DC mid-season as a scapegoat against the HC's wishes, essentially neutering that HC . I don't force my HC to hand over play calling duties to a subordinate, once again neutering that HC. I don't force a quality and career NFL man, both as a player and coach, to punch a clock because I question his integrity. I don't bring a Saudi Prince onto the sidelines during a game and into the locker room afterwards. I don't ask my HC to talk to me in the war room when the cameras are on so it looks like I'm involved. I don't take away the the Landry family box seats to add a few more dollars to my million dollar portfolio. It's these things and more that lacks respect for the game yet that conduct is exactly what some people here defend.

"The fact of the matter is this team has fought their hearts out all year, but sometimes the other team is simply better. The only losses where we just flat out got whooped were Chicago and New Orleans. I absolutely think if we were healthy we could have stopped Detroit. I believe we could have stopped Green Bay. I believe we could have beaten the Chargers team that played the Raiders the very next week and turned it over 5 times. I believe we could have beaten the Broncos team that turned it over 4 times to the Chargers. I believe we could have beaten the Bears team that looked stupid against Philly last week. I believe we could beat the Saitns team that rolled over to the Rams a couple of weeks ago.

But on the nights we played those teams, I give them credit for being the better team that night. I think we absolutely need health on the Defensive side of the football if we want to be the better team more often. I can't even begin to fathom why some people apparently think that if _____________ was here as our HC we wouldn't even miss these players and would win all these games. Let me be real, no we wouldn't. Just like in Green Bay, where a team I thought was going to be one of the top 3 in the NFC is in the same boat we are. Injuries killed them. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? If you don't disagree with it, why put Dallas on a different level of judgment?

I happen to think if the Cowboys, Falcons, and Packers were all reasonably healthy that each would be a better team than they have shown this year. It is pretty clear to me that where we are sadly lacking is on the Defensive side of the football. The obvious problem here has been stopping the other team. Why can't we stop them? Because we didn't runt he ball against Green Bay? Because of a time out in 2011? Or shouldn't we admit the obvious, no team can overcome that much injury?

There you go again, absolving Garrett of any responsibility for losing to GB. You just can't bring yourself to say anything remotely critical even though it may have been the single most poorly coached second half in the history of this franchise (along with Detroit two years earlier).

Yes, injuries killed GB, but they lost the most important position on the team, their franchise QB....the same one that took them to the SB the year they were decimated with injuries. Yet here they are, also in the playoff hunt and on the verge of claiming a playoff spot.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Get the right structure and people in place, then I'll campaign for continuity.

This.

 

[xNitram]

Jason is not our problem, and he should not leave.. the problem is our OC and DC. Get some top guys in and let Jason stay!

 

[Zekeats]

Wow really?
First I take offense by you saying I'm not a real fan [not really, as I don't care] but just for sake of you stating that.
Again, how does someone come up with this stuff, and yes I was around and I didn't think this one bit.
I bet those who do are also outlandish in conspiracy theories.

Answer one simple question then, why was Garretts brother fired?