Who hits the hardest? Sean Taylor or Roy Williams

[Hostile]

Maybe we can pick and choose which one is valid.

Roy's must be valid; since its a Cowboy.

Hall's must be invalid, since Irvin and Johnson didn't say Newman. Furthermore, every analyst has it wrong too.

I must be missing the point here somewhere. Where did I call Hall inferior to anyone? Or where did I say some player's opinion on Hall was invalid?

 

[DIAF]

Roy's the better hitter, by far. But Taylor is a better tackler, I think. I wouldnt mind having Taylor on a squad if he weren't such a punk, that's for sure.

 

[TEK2000]

Roy's the better hitter, by far. But Taylor is a better tackler, I think. I wouldnt mind having Taylor on a squad if he weren't such a punk, that's for sure.

What are you basing this on exactly?

 

[Vintage]

I must be missing the point here somewhere. Where did I call Hall inferior to anyone? Or where did I say some player's opinion on Hall was invalid?

I wasn't referring to you, specifically...

But since you missed most of the conversation, I will start from scratch (just a broad generalization, not someone specific I am singling out).

Hall was touted as the best CB in the league by Chad Johnson. I believe it was on ESPN's the Hot Seat when it was said. Furthermore, Irvin apparently said the same thing. I was told this by a Falcon.Scout member who I've asked for a link as proof. I've discusses numerous things regarding the Falcons, and have asked for links in the past, which he has always provided me. I am awaiting the link to Irvin's statement, because I too, want proof (since this is the first time I've heard of Irvin making such statements).

Some People here, and some at the Ranch Report, dismissed this as being a non issue, because Chad Johnson is a player; not a talent evaulator (basic gist of their arguement).

Now, Ronnie Lott comes out and says something about Roy; and its taken as gospel.

(For the record, I do believe Roy is a better hitter than Sean Taylor; and that Newman was a better CB than Hall last year).

I merely just wanted to point out the contradiction involved with both sets of topics. Lott's opinion is regarded well, since he is a former player, Johnson's opinion not regarded well, since he is....well...a player...and he said Hall was the premier CB.

That's it.

It really is as simple as it sounds.

That was all I was trying to say. That I found all of this to be, well...kind of humorous.

 

[DIAF]

What are you basing this on exactly?

Just from watching them play. Sure, Roy is great near the line of scrimmage, but out in open space, ive seen him miss some tackles, usually the result of taking a bad angle as opposed to not wrapping up(though i have seen him do that too). From what ive seen with Taylor, he's better at it. Taylor can't hold roy's jock near the LoS, though.

 

[superpunk]

Some People here, and some at the Ranch Report, dismissed this as being a non issue, because Chad Johnson is a player; not a talent evaulator (basic gist of their arguement).

Maybe you're not talking about me, but that is not the basic gist of anything I said. Chad Johnson has never played Hall. Never played the Falcons with Hall on the team. Seeing how Johnson's sunday's are pretty preoccupied, I just question the amount of comparative analysis he has done. Irvin, OTOH, would not have that problem.

But Johnson saying a guy he has never played against or prepped for is the best doesn't hold a ton of water with me.

 

[Vintage]

Maybe you're not talking about me, but that is not the basic gist of anything I said. Chad Johnson has never played Hall. Never played the Falcons with Hall on the team. Seeing how Johnson's sunday's are pretty preoccupied, I just question the amount of comparative analysis he has done. Irvin, OTOH, would not have that problem.

But Johnson saying a guy he has never played against or prepped for is the best doesn't hold a ton of water with me.

I wasn't talking about you at all....

But I am sure Johnson has watched some Atlanta games in making that comment. What, with TiVo, and other means, he probably has watched Atlanta play enough to know Hall's abilities.

 

[Hostile]

I wasn't referring to you, specifically...

But since you missed most of the conversation, I will start from scratch (just a broad generalization, not someone specific I am singling out).

Hall was touted as the best CB in the league by Chad Johnson. I believe it was on ESPN's the Hot Seat when it was said. Furthermore, Irvin apparently said the same thing. I was told this by a Falcon.Scout member who I've asked for a link as proof. I've discusses numerous things regarding the Falcons, and have asked for links in the past, which he has always provided me. I am awaiting the link to Irvin's statement, because I too, want proof (since this is the first time I've heard of Irvin making such statements).

Some People here, and some at the Ranch Report, dismissed this as being a non issue, because Chad Johnson is a player; not a talent evaulator (basic gist of their arguement).

Now, Ronnie Lott comes out and says something about Roy; and its taken as gospel.

(For the record, I do believe Roy is a better hitter than Sean Taylor; and that Newman was a better CB than Hall last year).

I merely just wanted to point out the contradiction involved with both sets of topics. Lott's opinion is regarded well, since he is a former player, Johnson's opinion not regarded well, since he is....well...a player...and he said Hall was the premier CB.

That's it.

It really is as simple as it sounds.

That was all I was trying to say. That I found all of this to be, well...kind of humorous.

Gotcha.

I wasn't privy to any of that so I couldn't figure out why you were bringing it up.

Hall would be in my top 10 for sure, don't know that I'd call him overall #1, but I would respect Chad Johnson's opinion on it. It's hard to argue with Newman's results, but perhaps Chad's criteria is about how hard it is to get away from him? I have no idea.

 

[Vintage]

Gotcha.

I wasn't privy to any of that so I couldn't figure out why you were bringing it up.

Hall would be in my top 10 for sure, don't know that I'd call him overall #1, but I would respect Chad Johnson's opinion on it. It's hard to argue with Newman's results, but perhaps Chad's criteria is about how hard it is to get away from him? I have no idea.

Yeah, I really have no clue either.

 

[DBoys]

Maybe you're not talking about me, but that is not the basic gist of anything I said. Chad Johnson has never played Hall. Never played the Falcons with Hall on the team. Seeing how Johnson's sunday's are pretty preoccupied, I just question the amount of comparative analysis he has done. Irvin, OTOH, would not have that problem.

But Johnson saying a guy he has never played against or prepped for is the best doesn't hold a ton of water with me.

Agreed...

Johnson talks a lot and very little of what he says carries any weight.

I thought Newman was the best CB in the league last year.

 

[MossBurner]

Taylor can't hold roy's jock near the LoS, though.

That's completely wrong. Whenever Sean plays near the line of scrimmage, he is always in on the tackle. Check out some of the highlight reels at www.youtube.com and see how often Sean blows up RBs and FBs.

These guys come to mind from last season:
Lamont Jordan
Lorenzo Neal
JJ Arrington
Priest Holmes
both Philly RBs

 

[DBoys]

As far as speed Hall runs 4.41-4.45 40's.

Newman runs 4.35-4.37.

I persoanlly don't think Chad Johnson is in the same league with TO, Smith.

 

[Mansta54]

Roy is the better hitter and player..PERIOD!!!!!!!

 

[AdamJT13]

Maybe we can pick and choose which one is valid.

Roy's must be valid; since its a Cowboy.

Hall's must be invalid, since Irvin and Johnson didn't say Newman.

Which is Jim Haslett's opinion -- valid or invalid? He said before the last game of 2003 (Newman's rookie year) that Newman was the best player he had seen on film all season. Not best cornerback. Best player. And Haslett's team had played against Champ Bailey, Donovan McNabb, Michael Strahan, Brian Urlacher, Peyton Manning, Shaun Alexander, Walter Jones, Derrick Brooks, Dwight Freeney, Keith Bulluck and a bunch of other Pro Bowl players.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Chuck Norris says..."They both hit like girls and I could
beat them both up at once while doing the tango"​

 

[AsthmaField]

I slept on this question and I've reached a decision. Roy hits harder.

 

[AsthmaField]

Chuck Norris says..."They both hit like girls and I could
beat them both up at once while doing the tango"
​

No body hits as hard as Chucky!

 

[Vintage]

Which is Jim Haslett's opinion -- valid or invalid? He said before the last game of 2003 (Newman's rookie year) that Newman was the best player he had seen on film all season. Not best cornerback. Best player. And Haslett's team had played against Champ Bailey, Donovan McNabb, Michael Strahan, Brian Urlacher, Peyton Manning, Shaun Alexander, Walter Jones, Derrick Brooks, Dwight Freeney, Keith Bulluck and a bunch of other Pro Bowl players.

I would take a coach's opinion more seriously than a players....


And if you are trying to convince me of Newman, you are wasting your time. The arguement had nothing to do with Newman's abilities/play.

But hey, since you brought it up, show me a link.

 

[AdamJT13]

I would take a coach's opinion more seriously than a players....

And if you are trying to convince me of Newman, you are wasting your time. The arguement had nothing to do with Newman's abilities/play.

You mentioned Chad Johnson's quote about DeAngelo Hall and brought up Newman. I mentioned a quote about Newman.

But hey, since you brought it up, show me a link.

No link, since it was said on television (by Haslett on the Saints' coaches show, then quoted by Chris Collinsworth during the game). According to several posters on the old version of this board (before this one was created), Parcells also was asked about Haslett's quote during a press conference and replied that Newman wasn't big enough yet (which might be why Newman has since "retired the trophy" in the weight room).

 

[AsthmaField]

And if you are trying to convince me of Newman, you are wasting your time. The arguement had nothing to do with Newman's abilities/play.

But hey, since you brought it up, show me a link.

Oh... it's on!