Who hits the hardest? Sean Taylor or Roy Williams

[Bob Sacamano]

Actually Santana Moss lined up on the right side when we were facing you guys but Brandon Lloyd was lined up on the left side when he had that big game against you guys.

yazz, please stop, for your sake

our coaches don't have Newman shadow team's top receivers, if the opposing O doesn't line up their #1 threat on Newman's side, he'll stay where he's at

 

[Hostile]

Actually Santana Moss lined up on the right side when we were facing you guys but Brandon Lloyd was lined up on the left side when he had that big game against you guys.

What does where they line up have to do with where he lines up?

Once more slowly. Terence Newman is our LCB. He plays on the left side unless the WR there goes in motion left and no one is lined up beyond the TE. In which case Newman would shadow the in motion WR by moving to his right.

Get it now, or do I need to take 2 doses of Nyquil to numb my mind enough to explain it even slower?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Get it now, or do I need to take 2 doses of Nyquil to numb my mind enough to explain it even slower?

just don't get in a car and drive after that

 

[yazzmode621]

What does where they line up have to do with where he lines up?

Once more slowly. Terence Newman is our LCB. He plays on the left side unless the WR there goes in motion left and no one is lined up beyond the TE. In which case Newman would shadow the in motion WR by moving to his right.

Get it now, or do I need to take 2 doses of Nyquil to numb my mind enough to explain it even slower?

umm...you said that Newman is the LCB and I showed you clear examples of opposing teams WRs lining both on the left and right side of the field and yet Newman wasnt covering them. See, this is clearly what I'm talking about. I state examples and you guys reply by implying I am slow and/or ********.

 

[yazzmode621]

Newman was on Smith one-on-one for most the time Smith was in the game

No he wasnt. When they were breaking down the game, they showed how you guys were able to stop Smith by double and triple teaming him!

 

[Hostile]

umm...you said that Newman is the LCB and I showed you clear examples of opposing teams WRs lining both on the left and right side of the field and yet Newman wasnt covering them. See, this is clearly what I'm talking about. I state examples and you guys reply by implying I am slow and/or ********.

I never intimated the 2nd part. This is from AdamJT13 who says it way better than I could.

Newman doesn't follow the opponent's best receiver on every play in every game (no cornerback in the NFL does that). He plays his position and covers whoever lines up against him.

McCardell had one catch for 16 yards against Newman. Santana Moss had one catch for 9 yards (in two games) against Newman. Lloyd didn't catch a pass against Newman. Randy Moss didn't catch a pass against Newman. Roy Williams had three catches for 35 yards against Newman. Kennison had one catch for 22 yards. Those six guys COMBINED for six catches for 82 yards on 14 pass attempts against Newman.

Against Steve Smith, Terrell Owens, Torry Holt, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Rod Smith and Amani Toomer, Newman allowed a TOTAL of six catches for 84 yards on 15 attempts.

There's your 2 examples, virtually completely shut down by Newman.

It sinking in yet?

 

[AdamJT13]

umm...you said that Newman is the LCB and I showed you clear examples of opposing teams WRs lining both on the left and right side of the field and yet Newman wasnt covering them.

In almost every game, Newman played left cornerback except in the nickel, when he moved to the slot. He defended whomever was lined up against him -- including Santana Moss (1-for-4, 9 yards against Newman), Randy Moss (no attempts against Newman), Steve Smith (0-for-1 against Newman), Terrell Owens (2-for-3, 29 yards against Newman), Larry Fitzgerald (1-for-2, 8 yards against Newman), Anquan Boldin (1-for-2, 16 yards against Newman), Roy Williams (3-for-5, 35 yards against Newman), Rod Smith (0-for-1 against Newman), Torry Holt (1-for-2, 3 yards against Newman), Amani Toomer (1-for-4, 8 yards against Newman), etc., etc., etc.

When Dallas played Oakland, for example, Newman defended Randy Moss on 10 pass plays -- seven times when Moss lined up wide right (to the defense's left) and all three pass plays when Moss lined up in the slot (twice on the right, once on the left). The Raiders never threw a pass to Moss when Newman was on him. Moss was defended eight times by Anthony Henry (when Moss lined up on the left), four times by Aaron Glenn (wide right, when Newman was in the slot), twice by Keith Davis, once by Al Singleton and once by DeMarcus Ware.

 

[AdamJT13]

No he wasnt. When they were breaking down the game, they showed how you guys were able to stop Smith by double and triple teaming him!

The Cowboys used a mixture of coverages and disguised coverages against Smith. Newman was lined up against him for most of the game (until Smith got ejected), but not all of the game. (Smith's only catch of the game came when Newman was covering someone else.) Smith was double- or triple-teamed some of the time, but certainly not all of the time. Dallas played quite a bit of zone coverage in that game, too, which essentially prevents the defense from double- or triple-covering anyone without leaving huge gaps in the zones. And Dallas often gave a pre-snap look of double-teaming Smith but shifted out of it before or after the snap.

So it's not accurate to say that Newman shut down Smith 1-on-1 every play, and it's not accurate to say that Dallas double-covered Smith on every play, either. In reality, it was a mixture that included both of those, plus other coverage schemes.

 

[TEK2000]

AdamJT13

Outstanding breakdown sir! We need to file that stuff in a better thread than this for future reference.

 

[superpunk]

Seriously -- we need an Adam "Facts of Life" thread stickied for easy access.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'd honestly say that Roy hits harder. Mainly because I've seen him knock guys silly on tons of clean hits (non-horse collars) that have either knocked the player out of the game or they simply weren't the same sense.

I'm sure Taylor could do the same, I just haven't seen it as much as Roy.

And don't act like Taylor doesn't horse collar. We've got evidence saying otherwise.

Rich........

 

[Vintage]

I wish we would move Newman around....if we did, I don't think we'd have lost the first Washington game.

Atlanta moves Hall around to cover #1's....

Why don't we move Newman around likewise?

 

[superpunk]

I wish we would move Newman around....if we did, I don't think we'd have lost the first Washington game.

Atlanta moves Hall around to cover #1's....

Why don't we move Newman around likewise?

I agree.

Parcells thing is he doesn't want to be dictated how to play by the offense. That sounds all good and all, and maybe with more experience in the defense, it will rock, because I can definitely see the benefits, but last year it did burn us a few times. But who knows how many times it really helped us? I mean, we had the second lowest completion pct allowed in the league. Had to be doing something right.

 

[Vintage]

I agree.

Parcells thing is he doesn't want to be dictated how to play by the offense. That sounds all good and all, and maybe with more experience in the defense, it will rock, because I can definitely see the benefits, but last year it did burn us a few times. But who knows how many times it really helped us? I mean, we had the second lowest completion pct allowed in the league. Had to be doing something right.

I know.

However, had we won that game, we'd have been 10-6 and in the playoffs.

Possibly even 11-5 if we took the last game seriously and won.

Had Glenn not been on that coverage, and Newman had been, we'd probably have won. Furthermore, how would it be that the offense dictates if we move Newman around.

If we did, they couldn't get Moss on those matchups...he'd be covered by Newman all the time.

As it now stands, anytime they want Moss on Henry or Glenn, they can get it. They get to dictate the coverage; not us.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I wish we would move Newman around....if we did, I don't think we'd have lost the first Washington game.

Atlanta moves Hall around to cover #1's....

Why don't we move Newman around likewise?

Atlanta rarely moves DeAngelo Hall around to cover #1's. It's very seldomly done around the league.

And IF Atlanta was doing that, they should stop because Hall isn't 1/10th as good as hyped.


Rich.........

 

[RiggoForever]

I'm thinking that as part of the combine, there should be a way to rig a dummy, put a prospect in pads and helmet, and tell the player to hit/tackle the dummy as hard as possible in order to measure the force of the blow. That would be the way to truly tell who hits the hardest.

 

[Hostile]

I'm thinking that as part of the combine, there should be a way to rig a dummy, put a prospect in pads and helmet, and tell the player to hit/tackle the dummy as hard as possible in order to measure the force of the blow. That would be the way to truly tell who hits the hardest.

Until that happens I'll go with the articles about hardest hitters and the opinion of Ronnie Lott combined with what is plain as day on the film clips. All of those point to Roy Williams being the harder hitter of the 2. You wanna say ST is the better overall player that's a discussion. No way he hits harder than Roy. No way in hell. One guy said ST "blows people up." Take a look at Roy treating Kevin Jones like a speed bump. Tell me that isn't blowing him up.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Naw ask Ammani Toomer, Mark Brunnell, and Rod Gardner who hits:starspin harder.

 

[RiggoForever]

Until that happens I'll go with the articles about hardest hitters and the opinion of Ronnie Lott combined with what is plain as day on the film clips. All of those point to Roy Williams being the harder hitter of the 2. You wanna say ST is the better overall player that's a discussion. No way he hits harder than Roy. No way in hell. One guy said ST "blows people up." Take a look at Roy treating Kevin Jones like a speed bump. Tell me that isn't blowing him up.

Ok, I'll admit Roys a harder hitter based on those videos. But what would be interesting to see is how Roys hitting power compares with that of linebackers throughout the NFL...since he has been revolutionizing the position into that of an SS/LB hybrid.

Roys a pretty damn good blitzer as well.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Naw ask Ammani Toomer, Mark Brunnell, and Rod Gardner who hits:starspin harder.

Or JJ Arrington....when asked why he fumbled last year he said Roy Williams knocked the crap out of me