Who hits the hardest? Sean Taylor or Roy Williams

[Vintage]

Until that happens I'll go with the articles about hardest hitters and the opinion of Ronnie Lott combined with what is plain as day on the film clips. All of those point to Roy Williams being the harder hitter of the 2. You wanna say ST is the better overall player that's a discussion. No way he hits harder than Roy. No way in hell. One guy said ST "blows people up." Take a look at Roy treating Kevin Jones like a speed bump. Tell me that isn't blowing him up.

So...we can trust the opinion of Ronnie Lott on this matter.... (a former football player, after all).

But when Chad Johnson and Michael Irvin (a current player, and a former COWBOY player) say that Hall is the best corner in the game, its hogwash.

Just pointing out the contradiction.

FWIW, whenever I hear a player say "so and so..." I usually tune them out. Rarely do they seem to be good talent evaluators.

Ronnie Lott saying he likes to watch Roy play....that I can believe.
Ronnie Lott saying that Roy is the closest safety to himself talent wise....well....maybe.

 

[Vintage]

Atlanta rarely moves DeAngelo Hall around to cover #1's. It's very seldomly done around the league.

And IF Atlanta was doing that, they should stop because Hall isn't 1/10th as good as hyped.


Rich.........

Admittedly, I didn't watch many Falcon games...

And admittedly, I wasn't paying that close attention to the Atlanta/Philly game (beer kind of took over)...but from what I remember, Hall was on Owens for most of that game.

 

[RiggoForever]

So...we can trust the opinion of Ronnie Lott on this matter.... (a former football player, after all).

But when Chad Johnson and Michael Irvin (a current player, and a former COWBOY player) say that Hall is the best corner in the game, its hogwash.

Just pointing out the contradiction.

FWIW, whenever I hear a player say "so and so..." I usually tune them out. Rarely do they seem to be good talent evaluators.

Ronnie Lott saying he likes to watch Roy play....that I can believe.
Ronnie Lott saying that Roy is the closest safety to himself talent wise....well....maybe.

For cornerbacks, I look at how they fare against elite WRs. Newman did pretty damn good when matched up against TO, Moss, and Smith last year (the 3 best WRs in the NFC). He outperformed Hall when it came to shutting down TO and Smith.

I know Moss had some big plays against Dallas last year, but when Newman was matched against him I can't recall any.

 

[Vintage]

For cornerbacks, I look at how they fare against elite WRs. Newman did pretty damn good when matched up against TO, Moss, and Smith last year (the 3 best WRs in the NFC). He outperformed Hall when it came to shutting down TO and Smith.

I know Moss had some big plays against Dallas last year, but when Newman was matched against him I can't recall any.

I know.

And I am not saying Newman is inferior to Hall. Last year, Newman was clearly superior.

I was making a point about using former/current players and their opinions as proof in arguements about player/talent evaluation.

 

[superpunk]

Has Chad Johnson ever even matched up against Hall?

And did Irvin ever really say that, Vintage?

 

[Vintage]

Has Chad Johnson ever even matched up against Hall?

And did Irvin ever really say that, Vintage?

According to a poster at falcons.scout.com

I asked him for a link, he said he would provide me one later, he had to head out.....

As far as his credibility goes, I do trust him. He's provided links to me in the past when I asked for them in our previous arguements.

To be honest, I don't know if Chad has ever been matched up against Hall. But I do remember Chad saying that.

(And couldn't you use that on Ronnie Lott too....? He has never played on the same field as Roy Williams....)

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But when Chad Johnson and Michael Irvin (a current player, and a former COWBOY player) say that Hall is the best corner in the game, its hogwash.

I was actually reading a piece about TJ Housamadahes (SP) and Chad Johnson in ESPN the Mag, and they were supposedly ragging on DeAngelo, and I wanna see where Irvin said he thinks Hall is the best in the game, it's not that I don't believe you, just it's I never heard it

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Roy is da man!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

According to a poster at falcons.scout.com

I asked him for a link, he said he would provide me one later, he had to head out.....

how convenient :

 

[Vintage]

Chad Johnson said it on ESPN's the Hot Seat IIRC, last year.

I remember watching it with my roommate; who is a Falcons fan. From that point on, he firmly believes Hall is the best CB in the league...

As for the Irvin thing.......as soon as I get a link, I will PM you with it.

 

[Vintage]

how convenient :

LOL.

He's been good at providing links when I ask for them. I trust him to show me a link....

 

[superpunk]

According to a poster at falcons.scout.com

I asked him for a link, he said he would provide me one later, he had to head out.....

As far as his credibility goes, I do trust him. He's provided links to me in the past when I asked for them in our previous arguements.

To be honest, I don't know if Chad has ever been matched up against Hall. But I do remember Chad saying that.

(And couldn't you use that on Ronnie Lott too....? He has never played on the same field as Roy Williams....)

Johnson has never lined up against Hall, unless it was in preseason sometime.

As for Lott, he just said he likes to watch Roy play. Hell of a compliment, more than a judgement of abilities. But when the best ever likes watching you, you're doing something right. I would guarantee Lott and Irvin see much more games than Johnson, as well, since during the season, Johnson is pretty preoccupied throughout the week. So unless Johnson played him, and broke him down all week, how could he make such a statement? If you could find the Irvin link, I'd give that much more credence.

 

[Vintage]

Johnson has never lined up against Hall, unless it was in preseason sometime.

As for Lott, he just said he likes to watch Roy play. Hell of a compliment, more than a judgement of abilities. But when the best ever likes watching you, you're doing something right. I would guarantee Lott and Irvin see much more games than Johnson, as well, since during the season, Johnson is pretty preoccupied throughout the week. So unless Johnson played him, and broke him down all week, how could he make such a statement? If you could find the Irvin link, I'd give that much more credence.

I am awaiting the link...

As for the Johnson comment, I don't know how he made the comment, why he made the comment, or what he based it off of...but he made the comment.

I've never seen/heard Irvin make that comment.

I was told he did. I asked for the link and am awaiting it.

 

[superpunk]

I am awaiting the link...

As for the Johnson comment, I don't know how he made the comment, why he made the comment, or what he based it off of...but he made the comment.

I've never seen/heard Irvin make that comment.

I was told he did. I asked for the link and am awaiting it.

Did he say it at the draft?

In any case - I respect that Hall is a good corner. Fact is though, some top-notch receivers had field days against the Falcons, and that's probably not all Hall's fault. The guy had 6 picks this year, albeit against some of the worst QBs in the league, and you gotta respect that.

Newman was just shut down this year. PLus, thus far, he's a bit more durable than Hall.

 

[SteveOS]

I think they both hit pretty damn hard. If I had to pick one, I'd go w/ RW, not only because he's a Boy, but because he's got the reputation. Give Taylor a few more years, if he keeps bringin' it, he could be scary.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I guess it comes down to whoever's vouching for somebody and seeing for yourself

you can take Ronnie Lott's word on Roy, and at the same time, you can also look at the tape and see that Roy hits harder than ST, you can't do both when talking about DeAngelo Hall being the best corner however

 

[ravidubey]

why does everything has to be based on what team you like,can folks give a opinion based on how they honestly feel,leaving your bias out of it...i can..

How many people has Taylor knocked out of games? Williams has tackled a few from behind, but he's leveled from the front as well. Coles, Toomer, Faulk, Warner, the list goes on. Taylor has hit Patrick Crayton and given Terry Glenn alligator-arms, os h'e no slouch, but Roy injures people-- the horse-collar rule was invented just because of him.

This is ridiculous. Williams is so angry on the field that he lays wood in the pro-bowl.

 

[sacase]

umm...you said that Newman is the LCB and I showed you clear examples of opposing teams WRs lining both on the left and right side of the field and yet Newman wasnt covering them. See, this is clearly what I'm talking about. I state examples and you guys reply by implying I am slow and/or ********.

Well the reason you are slow and ******** is that when teams bring out a slot reciever, Newman moves to the slot and Glenn takes the LCB position.

 

[Hostile]

According to a poster at falcons.scout.com

I asked him for a link, he said he would provide me one later, he had to head out.....

As far as his credibility goes, I do trust him. He's provided links to me in the past when I asked for them in our previous arguements.

To be honest, I don't know if Chad has ever been matched up against Hall. But I do remember Chad saying that.

(And couldn't you use that on Ronnie Lott too....? He has never played on the same field as Roy Williams....)

So when Deacon Jones called Reggie White the best DE in the game he didn't know what he was talking about because he had never been on the same field as him?

It amazes me that any opinion is ever valid. There are so many caveats.

 

[Vintage]

So when Deacon Jones called Reggie White the best DE in the game he didn't know what he was talking about because he had never been on the same field as him?

It amazes me that any opinion is ever valid. There are so many caveats.

Maybe we can pick and choose which one is valid.

Roy's must be valid; since its a Cowboy.

Hall's must be invalid, since Irvin and Johnson didn't say Newman. Furthermore, every analyst has it wrong too.