yes, about 20+ years ago. recent trend hasnt' bode well. and my point is that neither of them saw success early on...it took them several years to learn. specially coughlin who was let go from his first gig in Jax.
so do we want to give these coaches, 3, 4, or 5 years to learn? and that is if they learn....most of them fail than succeed. including some great ones like spurrier, saban, Kelly, etc.
and I know some one will bring up switzer, but lets not forget switzer came into a situation with a team that won 2 superbowls and most of the coaching staff was NFL coaches and they were the same coaches who coached under Johnson, running the same system. switzer was literally definition of a figure head.