Who's ready for Dave Campo... PC at 2pm

[Bleu Star]

Dave feels confident he can help Roy get better.

What's he going to do? Freeze Roy's bank account(s)?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

as much as I often respect your opinion and enjoy your posts, the inclusion of the words Campo and Landry in the same post makes me queasy.

That I agree with.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

as much as I often respect your opinion and enjoy your posts, the inclusion of the words Campo and Landry in the same post makes me queasy.

And yet you feel its alright to have a poodle and Campo together.... the nerve :laugh1:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Might also beat the notion that Jerry only turned to Campo as a last resort when all the candidates Wade wanted had been refused.

pretty much everyone accepted that notion

the crap about Campo sucking which is why he was available is just that, crap

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Misinformation again.

The only guys Jerry has hired on the coaching staff that coached here before are Houck and Campo, who both had success as position coaches here.

Grantham and Capers(if hired) are 3-4 coaches who are familiar with Wade's scheme. As Wade stated in the presser Campo's inexperience in the 3-4 is irrelevant since the coverages are essentially the same.

And the hiring of coaches in Dallas is a collaborative effort. If Wade truly did not want Campo to be here he probably would not be here. It's far different than sayinf he has no control whatsoever on his staff.

it's just freakin' common sense, what many fail to possess

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dear Lord, we have Cowboys fans standing and applauding Dave Campo returning to the sidelines and making long, drawn out excuses for his head coaching tenure. I swear to God, I must be living in the Twilight Zone. This is just surreal.

Whats surreal is that you take those three years of him being a HC and take that as more of an evaluation than his other 17 as a DC and position coach.

Outside of Cleveland where even Belichek failed he has had nothing but success.

Off the top of my head the guy has developed.

Kevin Smith
Darren Woodson
James Washington
Anthony Henry
Kenny Gant
Rashean Mathis
Larry Brown

I am talking taking them as rookies and making them into top flight contributors and probowlers. Those are just the very best as well.

We are going to be getting a day 1 CB and there are very few people that i would want working with a rookie DB. Campo is near the top of that list.

But hey because it sucked when we were losing with a right side of our offensive line consisting of Lehr, Garmon and Page with Hutch under center and on the other side of the ball starting Nix, Underwood, Hawthorne and Williams that means that we should heap all the blame on him and then rail about bringing him back in a capacity that has nothing to do with what he was doing then.

I realize that people like simple answers but dear god this borders on stupidity. Your acting like were bringing him in as HC. Heck i could understand it a bit more if it was DC but hes nto even that and as a DB coach in Dallas and Jax hes been one of the best.

But hey you go on thinking that its going to be 2000 all over again and Ill keep looking to his work over the last three years hes been a DB coach.

 

[Ken]

Oh no, not another polyanna!

:bang2:

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I guess the 11 years he spent as a secondary and DC here in Dallas, you know when we were winning 3 Superbowls in 4 years, was an indication of how bad he sucked as a position coach as well.

Please, people, get over the HC thing. He's not being brought back here to be an HC or anything even close to it. He's going to be a secondary coach. Something he does very well.

 

[SuspectCorner]

What's he going to do? Freeze Roy's bank account(s)?

:laugh2:.... ????...........!!!!!.... Hey, that may be the best suggestion I've heard yet....

 

[pgreptom]

Campo took over maybe the greatest cover corner to ever live, and safety who in my opinion should be a Hall of Famer. Not many coaches inherit two Hall of Fame talents simultaneously. Campo didn't really improve them, they just kept being the same Deion and Woody and Woody that they were under their previous coaches. And on the other side of the coin, George Teague was still George Teague. Phillipi Sparks was still Phillipi Sparks. Mario Edwards was still Mario Edwards. Can't say we ever got a player off the street who nobody really wanted and he turned them into a Pro Bowl player, the way Bowles did with Hamlin.

Hamlin was a street player who nobody wanted..?

LOL.

Hamlin in 2004:
80 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 pass deflections, 4 interceptions

Hamlin in 2006:

96 tackles, 2 sacks, 8 pass deflections, 3 interceptions

Hamlin in 2007:

62 tackles, 0 sacks, 15 pass deflections, 5 interceptions

2005 skipped for his injury. I don't see how Bowles made this "street" player a "Pro Bowl" player. He was never a "street" player to begin with.

 

[CowboyJeff]

How long will it be before we see Campo with his shorts pulled up under his armpits?

 

[CowboyJeff]

Whats surreal is that you take those three years of him being a HC and take that as more of an evaluation than his other 17 as a DC and position coach.

Outside of Cleveland where even Belichek failed he has had nothing but success.

Off the top of my head the guy has developed.

Kevin Smith
Darren Woodson
James Washington
Anthony Henry
Kenny Gant
Rashean Mathis
Larry Brown

I am talking taking them as rookies and making them into top flight contributors and probowlers. Those are just the very best as well.

We are going to be getting a day 1 CB and there are very few people that i would want working with a rookie DB. Campo is near the top of that list.

But hey because it sucked when we were losing with a right side of our offensive line consisting of Lehr, Garmon and Page with Hutch under center and on the other side of the ball starting Nix, Underwood, Hawthorne and Williams that means that we should heap all the blame on him and then rail about bringing him back in a capacity that has nothing to do with what he was doing then.

I realize that people like simple answers but dear god this borders on stupidity. Your acting like were bringing him in as HC. Heck i could understand it a bit more if it was DC but hes nto even that and as a DB coach in Dallas and Jax hes been one of the best.

But hey you go on thinking that its going to be 2000 all over again and Ill keep looking to his work over the last three years hes been a DB coach.

How about the guys Campo couldn't develop:

Kenny Wheaton
Lee Vaughn
Izell Reese
Dwayne Goodrich
Kareem Larrimore
Tony Dixon
Derek Ross
Pete Hunter

 

[windward]

How about the guys Campo couldn't develop:

Kenny Wheaton
Lee Vaughn
Izell Reese
Dwayne Goodrich
Kareem Larrimore
Tony Dixon
Derek Ross
Pete Hunter

Every team has busts.

That's a very weak point you made there.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How about the guys Campo couldn't develop:

Kenny Wheaton
Lee Vaughn
Izell Reese
Dwayne Goodrich
Kareem Larrimore
Tony Dixon
Derek Ross
Pete Hunter

Ike Reese turned into a quality safety for many years although Zimmer was the DB coach at that time. Campo was DC. Dixon, Ross, Larrimorel, Goodrich and Hunter were all when Zimmer was running the show.

Regardless, every team and every coach has failures. Players fail for a multitude of reasons but its the coaches that consistently are able to develop talent that are noteworthy. You name me a coach and ill name you a slew of player that couldnt hack it. On the other hand there are very few coaches hwere you can name half a dozen guys he has sent to the probowl.

Campo is one those guys.

By your reasoning Hudson Houck is also a terrible coach. During his tenure here he couldnt develop guys like Page, Garmon, Lehr, Walter, and Scifres. that means he sucks and we should just ignore his work with guys like Allen and Gogan and Donaldson and Williams and Diehl and so on. Thats just asinine.

 

[joshmarvin4]

Like the above said, Every coach has failures at some point. That is the way things are. I think we are doing a good job of replacing coaches..If we can get Capers, that adds 30+ yrs of coaching experience, that helps us so much.

 

[UVAwahoos]

He had Kevin Smith and Larry Brown at CB he helped Woodson who was a college LB and helped to convert him to safety. I don't know if the talent was any greater than Newman and Henry at CB with Hamlin and Williams at Safety. I know many have said they felt that when Woodson left that Roy game took a downward turn so how much of that is the coaching?

I thought both Smith and Brown were overrated actually. O'donnell basically threw those two INTs right to Brown in Super Bowl XXX and Brown got way over-hyped because of that "MVP performance". He went to the Raiders (I believe) and really was never heard from again.

Anybody remember Kevin Smith getting called for pass interference about as much as Flo gets called for false starts? I do. I think Campo is inheriting better CBs but much much worse safeties.

 

[windward]

Ike Reese turned into a quality safety for many years although Zimmer was the DB coach at that time. Campo was DC. Dixon, Ross, Larrimorel, Goodrich and Hunter were all when Zimmer was running the show.

Regardless, every team and every coach has failures. Players fail for a multitude of reasons but its the coaches that consistently are able to develop talent that are noteworthy. You name me a coach and ill name you a slew of player that couldnt hack it. On the other hand there are very few coaches hwere you can name half a dozen guys he has sent to the probowl.

Campo is one those guys.

By your reasoning Hudson Houck is also a terrible coach. During his tenure here he couldnt develop guys like Page, Garmon, Lehr, Walter, and Scifres. that means he sucks and we should just ignore his work with guys like Allen and Gogan and Donaldson and Williams and Diehl and so on. Thats just asinine.

He is the same guy who argued Campo was not a good secondary coach because we had Charles Haley and Deion Sanders.

 

[windward]

I thought both Smith and Brown were overrated actually. O'donnell basically threw those two INTs right to Brown in Super Bowl XXX and Brown got way over-hyped because of that "MVP performance". He went to the Raiders (I believe) and really was never heard from again.

Anybody remember Kevin Smith getting called for pass interference about as much as Flo gets called for false starts? I do. I think Campo is inheriting better CBs but much much worse safeties.

Kevin Smith was very good until he ruptured his Achilles. After that he lost some speed and began being trageted for Pass interference.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Kevin Smith was very good until he ruptured his Achilles. After that he lost some speed and began being trageted for Pass interference.

Exactly. Smith was elite on the 92 and 93 squads and a big reason why those defenses were so good. He ruptured his achilles and his quickness was gone and while he was smart enough to realize what was going on he no longer had the physicla tools to react and so resorted to grabbing.

 

[eduncan22]

I do not like this hire.