Why all the love for Delmas ???

[YosemiteSam]

Two problems for me there.

1) I can't rate OL.
2) The Dallas Cowboys can't rate OL.

Maybe what the Cowboys should do is when they want to draft an offensive linemen, they should just grab one from restricted free agency and give up the draft pick that way! :laugh2: At least they will have some idea what the guy has and if the drafting team put a #2 round tender on him, it means they like him.

Of course, the only reason the Cowboys did that to Proctor was because he is the backup center and there isn't anymore better out there.

 

[jterrell]

Fenuki would challenge Kosier form day one in camp, thats all Im saying.
That upgrades the whole line, and gets quality youth at the very least into rotational playing time until he is ready to start.
Never said we would beable to replace Flo right now, nor would we want to, but you have to start getting some upgrade talent infused now inorder to cover LT when that time comes,, and its coming.

I don't think he challenges Kosier though.

Because Kosier makes Gurode an All-Pro center. Kosier fills a need as a quick guard who can set the OL and make line calls as an experienced center.

So we need to upgrade at Center imho and move Gurode to OG if that is the plan. It isn't just about being a better OG than Kosier. It is about being a better fit for this OL and that's hard to find.

Kosier was supposed to be our weaklink on the OL until he went down and we saw how out of sorts we were without him. We need him there.

 

[AsthmaField]

Two problems for me there.

1) I can't rate OL.
2) The Dallas Cowboys can't rate OL.


lol.

Seriously, if you were to tell me we could get the kid from Virginia I'd be all for it. Or Andre Smith for that matter. He is a Larry Allen starter kit if I ever saw one. But at 51 we are talking about the 6th or 7th LT on the board and that just isn't good value imho.

So I'd love to see us get an interior OL or two and wait til 2010 for that big tackle in round 1.


*** As a side note here our back up LT is really Bigg Davis. It is pretty clear he'd get the job if Flo went out long term.

I'd rather get the first or second rated center than the sixth rated OT. Only if the Cowboys think Gurode could now play at guard, unlike when he was a rookie or second year guy.

I think the kid from Cal is going to be a very good center in this league for a long time. If Gurode is now capable of playing guard, that could go a long way towards solidifying our OL and giving versatility and depth to the unit.

I question Gurode at G though.

 

[Chief]

You take the best player. It is really not that hard and you certainly don't want to predispose yourself to position on a round by round basis. That's where you get into trouble and that is when you reach.

Optimally, you would want to solve the issues on the lines first. But if Delmas is a better overall player than Phil Loadholt, Ron Brace or Derry Beckwith, you absolutely take him. But our biggest draft mistakes were thinking that we have to get this position solved first, so we take the highest ranked player at that position just to get it over with.

We are not that good that we can just think we can get away with doing that. Outside of ROLB, TE and QB, I can't think of a single position on this team I would simply not pick a player because we have the starting job committed.

I agree with this.

 

[jterrell]

Fenuki would challenge Kosier form day one in camp, thats all Im saying.
That upgrades the whole line, and gets quality youth at the very least into rotational playing time until he is ready to start.
Never said we would beable to replace Flo right now, nor would we want to, but you have to start getting some upgrade talent infused now inorder to cover LT when that time comes,, and its coming.

Fenuki is rated the 127th best player in this draft by NFLDS. If he falls that far I'd be quite happy with him.

 

[Arch Stanton]

You take the best player. It is really not that hard and you certainly don't want to predispose yourself to position on a round by round basis. That's where you get into trouble and that is when you reach.

Optimally, you would want to solve the issues on the lines first. But if Delmas is a better overall player than Phil Loadholt, Ron Brace or Derry Beckwith, you absolutely take him. But our biggest draft mistakes were thinking that we have to get this position solved first, so we take the highest ranked player at that position just to get it over with.

We are not that good that we can just think we can get away with doing that. Outside of ROLB, TE and QB, I can't think of a single position on this team I would simply not pick a player because we have the starting job committed.

I agree, but I guess I'd rather win the game at the LOS than have a shiny new toy at S.

 

[Typhus]

Fenuki is rated the 127th best player in this draft by NFLDS. If he falls that far I'd be quite happy with him.

Fair enough, but Im going against the grain somewhat, always have, and willing to bet he gets taken earlier than most project.

Player evaluation is a speculative sport, fun to read, everyones got an opinion, you can learn/familiarize yourself with names,,,, but talent is talent, and the cream rises when saturday is finally here.

Fenukis' stock is quickly on the rise... if for no other reason than his cerebral qualities he brings to his game.

Key note... Fenuki had one penalty in two seasons...........

 

[Alexander]

Fenukis' stock is quickly on the rise... if for no other reason than his cerebral qualities he brings to his game.

Key note... Fenuki had one penalty in two seasons...........

Where have you read his stock is shooting up like this?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Fair enough, but Im going against the grain somewhat, always have, and willing to bet he gets taken earlier than most project.

Player evaluation is a speculative sport, fun to read, everyones got an opinion, you can learn/familiarize yourself with names,,,, but talent is talent, and the cream rises when saturday is finally here.

Fenukis' stock is quickly on the rise... if for no other reason than his cerebral qualities he brings to his game.

Key note... Fenuki had one penalty in two seasons...........

So you are saying he is the Anti-Flo? :laugh1:

 

[Typhus]

Where have you read his stock is shooting up like this?

I havent,,, just my opinion... maybe Im an idiot,, doesnt hurt my feelings,, I just like to grade players on my own opinions at this point prior to D-Day.

 

[cowboys5]

can some of you please stick to the title..i want to hear some responses as well

 

[jobberone]

They will have their board and priorities of position. Hopefully they stick to it and draft wisely. They've done a very good job lately.

We all have our own thoughts and mine run along the LOS esp OL and NT. Obviously if a player falls you take advantage regardless the position like we did with Brady Quinn. And that doesn't mean we don't need playmakers at other positions.

 

[slick325]

Part of the issue is the instability we have had in our philosophy for years. When Coach Parcells came here, he had Warhop, who he was clearly at odds with. Then Sparano took over and we went to more mobile linemen (hence people like Free and McQuistan). Now we apparently want to go back to the planet theory and have mashers under Houck.

It all points to a breakdown between the scouting department and the coaching staff as to what fits the system (if we even have one). Since we keep changing it every three years or so, that's an issue. It is one reason why I believe Free is no longer a good fit.

We need to have an organizational philosophy and have everyone on the same page instead of changing it around every time we change OL coaches. If not, we will have linemen bust out after two or three seasons because the new coach doesn't want that type of player. Change the staff (which we are likely to do again next year) and the cycle repeats itself.

Very good post.

 

[Alexander]

I havent,,, just my opinion... maybe Im an idiot,, doesnt hurt my feelings,, I just like to grade players on my own opinions at this point prior to D-Day.

There's nothing wrong with that, especially if you have paid close attention to the player, but you sounded like you had read his stock was on the upswing.

 

[Alexander]

can some of you please stick to the title..i want to hear some responses as well

Okay.

Maybe it is the fact that he is pretty much the consensus best safety in this draft per the pundits and you don't get it because you haven't seen him play very much?

Will that do?

Fact is, most of these prospects we've never seen play. And the "love" that you see is a reflection of what we all read.

I like to watch a lot of college football, but I certainly am not going to catch every single Western Michigan game much less single out a safety, who most of the time you can't see on the screen anyways until it is too late.

 

[Typhus]

There's nothing wrong with that, especially if you have paid close attention to the player, but you sounded like you had read his stock was on the upswing.

Various mocks have him going as high as Detroit in the top of two.
I can post links if you need them.

 

[Alexander]

Various mocks have him going as high as Detroit in the top of two.
I can post links if you need them.

I'd be interested in those, thank you.

 

[JonJon]

Right out of the gate that is almost certainly true. Later in the year, and much more importantly in the future, there's a chance someone picked at #51 could end up being FAR better than Austin. Or best case scenario, Austin actually does begin to provide production (which I think he can) and a WR taken at 51 also become a a great player.

Desean Jackson went at 49 last year for example.

I would just take BPA, and if a nice WR falls to us there, then I say take him....but no reaching.

I agree with this line of thinking but I have one minor alteration to this strategy. I would move up between 4 to 10 spots if there is a game changer that has slid within reach that might make an immediate impact. But the trade terms would have to be reasonable.

Players that might be around that I would trade up for:

• ILB James Laurenaitis, Ohio St.

Would solidify ILB position along with James for years to come. I don't expect Brooking to be here more than 3 years.

• Hakeem Nicks, WR, UNC

Here is a player that I expect will see multiple 1000 receiving seasons. he is the closest thing to Irvin that in comparison to playing style that I have seen in a while. Great leadership.

 

[adamknite]

I agree with this line of thinking but I have one minor alteration to this strategy. I would move up between 4 to 10 spots if there is a game changer that has slid within reach that might make an immediate impact. But the trade terms would have to be reasonable.

Players that might be around that I would trade up for:

• ILB James Laurenaitis, Ohio St.

Would solidify ILB position along with James for years to come. I don't expect Brooking to be here more than 3 years.

• Hakeem Nicks, WR, UNC

Here is a player that I expect will see multiple 1000 receiving seasons. he is the closest thing to Irvin that in comparison to playing style that I have seen in a while. Great leadership.

I would trade up for him for no other reason than this....

 

[Chief]

I would trade up for him for no other reason than this....

Looks like the anti-Bobby Carpenter.