Why are fans so afraid of taking a RB early?

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Tyron at his age is guaranteed to not make it through the season. You need competent backups you are grooming for continuity.
I agree. Even if we were stacked I'd still draft linemen. You can never have enough and you will eventually need one. I'm just saying they don't all have to be in the 1st round.
 

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Last year's 26th pick was Jermaine Johnson. His cap hit this year is $3 million. That would rank 21st for a TB in the league for this season. It's barely inside the Top 50 for offensive guards. Just inside the Top 60 for an OT. Just inside the Top 100 for a defensive lineman. Just inside the Top 70 for a WR.

So I don't get the logic that you prefer a TB on a rookie deal than some of these other positions.
I mean if we are talking about a guard and a RB that are of the same caliber I'd get what you're saying. But at 26......you are more so reaching for a guard than a steal there.
 

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I am saying, they picked him in first round. not getting much out of him. could they have picked a CB? perhaps help them against Cinci and not lose 27-24. maybe a LB? or maybe another WR treat, like Higgins or Pittman? CEH contribution in that game was 6 carries for 36 yards!!!
None of them would've though lol. A rookie late 1st rounder was not going to be the difference in a SB unless it was a RB.

Mind you hindsight is very funny because I remember when they drafted CEH and everyone said he was the steal of the draft and put Chiefs in the SB.
 

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I agree. Even if we were stacked I'd still draft linemen. You can never have enough and you will eventually need one. I'm just saying they don't all have to be in the 1st round.
Depends on what's available at the #1 pick right? I mean if you have another Zack Martin or FredBeard clone there, I'd rather have that knowing he is going to be a player for my team for the next 15 seasons as opposed to a RB who is likely going to be retired by his 7th season.
 

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None of them would've though lol. A rookie late 1st rounder was not going to be the difference in a SB unless it was a RB.

Mind you hindsight is very funny because I remember when they drafted CEH and everyone said he was the steal of the draft and put Chiefs in the SB.
Technically they weren’t wrong lol.
 

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Depends on what's available at the #1 pick right? I mean if you have another Zack Martin or FredBeard clone there, I'd rather have that knowing he is going to be a player for my team for the next 15 seasons as opposed to a RB who is likely going to be retired by his 7th season.
Well tell you what if someone falls on the level of Zack Martin then I for sure don't care bout RB lol. My insistence on RB is that I don't think the value will be good there. I think the guards available are mid to late 2nd round guys....
 

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None of them would've though lol. A rookie late 1st rounder was not going to be the difference in a SB unless it was a RB.

Mind you hindsight is very funny because I remember when they drafted CEH and everyone said he was the steal of the draft and put Chiefs in the SB.
You can't say that with certainty that the only position that would have made the difference is a TB.
 

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RB at 4 was stupid but you’re not crossing it off the 1st round list altogether. I would probably cut it off at 15. At 26 there is no position that is completely out of the question.
 

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You can't say that with certainty that the only position that would have made the difference is a TB.
I can't. But history says that's more than likely the case. And I'm looking at who got drafted after the Chiefs picked...I'm not seeing that player though for the future Higgins and Pittman would've been much better for them. But then again look at what Toney is regulated to.
 

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Well tell you what if someone falls on the level of Zack Martin then I for sure don't care bout RB lol. My insistence on RB is that I don't think the value will be good there. I think the guards available are mid to late 2nd round guys....
Will remains to be seen. I remember no one thought Fredbeard was anything special until he got on the field. I also recall many pundits saying he was a reach at 31 in the first round.
 

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And did so with little real impact from the first round TB they took.

Again, KC taking CEH isnt helping the argument that we have to take a TB at 26.
Its not "helping" but its not hurting the argument either. Chiefs goofed on spending a 1st rounder on CEH and the world kept moving. The NFL kept moving. Using ONE FIRST ROUNDER on a RB is not going to kill your franchise. Its also worth noting that Bijan and CEH aren't the same caliber. As a matter of fact....if CEH was in this draft....I'd probably take 4 guys over him before I look at him.
 

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because it is 10x easy to get rb production later in the draft or even udfa or cheap vet free agent rb

u are just so much better off taking ol over rb
this. it's opportunity cost and value over replacement. it's much much cheaper from a dollar or resource perspective to get rb's elsewhere.
 

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Will remains to be seen. I remember no one thought Fredbeard was anything special until he got on the field. I also recall many pundits saying he was a reach at 31 in the first round.
He was a reach there. Its impossible to say how long he would last. I heard people project him as a late 2nd or 3rd on him. They saw incentive in getting him in the 1st round for 5 years. Had they taken Leveon Bell instead of Fredericks would they have been worse off? Maybe or maybe not. They got Frederick's and a extra 3rd rounder. Very good draft. Not mad at that at all.
 

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this. it's opportunity cost and value over replacement. it's much much cheaper from a dollar or resource perspective to get rb's elsewhere.
There's also the possibility of ending up with a Taco Charlton in the 1st round.....we're talking about the 26th pick in the draft.....
 

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Another thing to consider…

McCarthy is on a short leash.. You think he’d rather have a guard or a player like Gibbs who can make him look way smarter than he is.
 

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There's also the possibility of ending up with a Taco Charlton in the 1st round.....we're talking about the 26th pick in the draft.....
Not saying we won’t draft busts but from everything I heard the Jones’s were ignoring scouts and going with whatever Rod Marinelli told them.

Generally coaches suck at evaluating talent out of college.
 

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There's also the possibility of ending up with a Taco Charlton in the 1st round.....we're talking about the 26th pick in the draft.....
Of course. There infinite examples of all possibilities. We're talking about overall trends and percentages though. Running backs are the easiest position to fill from all avenues, and have the worst first round return. Citing outliers or times a team made a bad pick on another position doesn't change the driving data.
 

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Its not "helping" but its not hurting the argument either. Chiefs goofed on spending a 1st rounder on CEH and the world kept moving. The NFL kept moving. Using ONE FIRST ROUNDER on a RB is not going to kill your franchise. Its also worth noting that Bijan and CEH aren't the same caliber. As a matter of fact....if CEH was in this draft....I'd probably take 4 guys over him before I look at him.
Problem is the Cowboys can't make first round picks that don't "hurt". They are pretty clear they expect (and that's obvious given their inaction in adding quality FAs typically) that their first round picks have to be immediate impact guys. So I can't say, it's OK to take a TB in the first round because he won't "hurt" us.

It's easy to overcome a dumb first round pick when you have Mahomes to cover up shortcomings. We don't have that luxury. So we can't use the Chiefs as a blueprint and say, hey, its OK if we take a TB and he doesn't help.

We did the use a first round pick on a TB thing. It didn't work out overall for team success. He didn't change the direction of the franchise. No need to repeat that mistake. Use your prime picks to fill the more valuable positions, backfill the TB.
 
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