Why are fans so afraid of taking a RB early?

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Well who the hell is saying Bijan is the next AP? I don't need him to be the next AP lol.

And I don't get your DMVP comment. I never said a guy isn't in his prime on his rookie deal. I said a guy doesn't start entering his prime until its time to pay him. Typically their best seasons come right before a contract year.

I don't care about the stats. Sure they may matter they may not. I want someone who's going to help my team win next season. I don't care about year 10 I don't care about year 5....I care about NEXT SEASON.

In short, I believe Bijan Robinson gives me a better chance to win in 2023 then Devon Witherspoon or Joey Porter.

LEt's call it what it is. You're using extreme examples of ALL Pro's and Pro Bowlers....I don't have that information right now. I'm entering the draft blind. All I know is what I've seen from tape and what holes I have and what it takes to win. And just knowing that little information? I like what BIjan Robinson can give me this year more than any player in this draft.

What if Bijan has a better 2023 but a worse 2024-2027? Is that first round value to you? You cant take guys just based on what they’re unlikely to do as 21-22 year old rookies. You’re drafting for the future of your franchise

 

[baltcowboy]

The biggest talking point I keep seeing about the whole "don't take a RB early" is because you can get one in later rounds and they don't last long.

Is it not a asset to take a RB in the 1st round?

I get him for 4 years with a option year which is 5 years on a favorable rookie deal.

I can think franchise him for one year at 11-12 million......

I'm getting 6 years of a guys young prime career on a affordable deal and I'm getting one of the better RB prospects in this draft....

Will you get 6 prime years out of any other position not Quarterback? Maybe wide receiver?

I'm just trying to figure out why should I be afraid to take a RB early like others seem to be. If I was the Eagles and had the 10th pick in the draft I for sure would think long and hard about Bijan Robinson.

If the running back is above league average you going to have to redo his contract because of what is happening to Saquan. Big mistake for him not to hold out last season. Every agent knows the Cowboys caved on Zeke. The player would be stupid not too hold out. The Eagles are not going to draft Robinson in the top 10. He would instantly have one of the best running back contracts in the NFL.

 

[Typhus]

So do tight ends. Especially low athlete guys like Mayer but everyone is on board with that.

I am on record as not.

 

[Typhus]

They are paying him franchise tag money. he better be an all around back. Agree 100% on OL at 26.

Not 1st round need.

They most surely better have, this draft is loaded, but the top RBs will mbe gone if you are looking to replace RB1, Pollard is a great RB2, best RB2 in the league maybe.
Better try and grab a potential equal to Pollard or we end up chasing that position for a few years.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Since MM got handed over the offensive reigns, and considering he is the HC, I'm easily predicting an offensively heavy draft.

Has to. I mean I expect a few defensive guys to develop for the future but yeah I'm expecting more offense than defense.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

What if Bijan has a better 2023 but a worse 2024-2027? Is that first round value to you? You cant take guys just based on what they’re unlikely to do as 21-22 year old rookies. You’re drafting for the future of your franchise

You are but I can't be concerned with years down the road. Trust me I've seen this team straight up do it. Cowboys have wasted most of Dak's rookie deal and all of Zeke's career thinking about the "future". They should've went all in then. Instead, they were too focused on the salary cap and 4 years down the road. You can't do both. You can't bank for the future and the present. Not equally. One will have to give.

And like I said if I'm taking Bijan I believe I have a strong 5 or 6 years with him at a good price. Cheap price. If he gets worse in 2024? Oh well. You can't project if a guy will be great one year and then suck the next.

These hypotheticals you are coming up with are not realistic. You are not drafting the next Parsons. You are not drafting the next JJ Watt. You are drafting the next BIjan Robinson, Joey Porter, Christian Gonzales, Jalen Carter. That's what you know.

 

[Typhus]

Man....I don't know how creative Mike wants to get but he really could with Gibbs and Pollard especially in the passing game. Shanahan knows how with McCaffery and Deebo.

Would be dynamic instantly.
Most would easily forget about Zeke, quickly.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If the running back is above league average you going to have to redo his contract because of what is happening to Saquan. Big mistake for him not to hold out last season. Every agent knows the Cowboys caved on Zeke. The player would be stupid not too hold out. The Eagles are not going to draft Robinson in the top 10. He would instantly have one of the best running back contracts in the NFL.

I mean if that happens it happens. That's 5 years down the road. Zeke had the Cowboys because they were contending and thought they needed Zeke to do it. It happens.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Would be dynamic instantly.
Most would easily forget about Zeke, quickly.

Man I would hope people have already forgotten about him unless you're talking about the ones who keep bringing up the bad he had then yeah it for sure would help forget about him.

 

[SuperBowlz]

If a special talent drops in your lap then you take them without hesitation, in any round, regardless position.

So you'd use a top 10 pick on a Punter or a Center?

 

[baltcowboy]

I mean if that happens it happens. That's 5 years down the road. Zeke had the Cowboys because they were contending and thought they needed Zeke to do it. It happens.

If the Cowboys drafted Robinson they would probably be at least as good as the 2016 Cowboys probably better so they would be contending. We have a good enough team to contend without drafting a running back early now.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You are but I can't be concerned with years down the road. Trust me I've seen this team straight up do it. Cowboys have wasted most of Dak's rookie deal and all of Zeke's career thinking about the "future". They should've went all in then. Instead, they were too focused on the salary cap and 4 years down the road. You can't do both. You can't bank for the future and the present. Not equally. One will have to give.

And like I said if I'm taking Bijan I believe I have a strong 5 or 6 years with him at a good price. Cheap price. If he gets worse in 2024? Oh well. You can't project if a guy will be great one year and then suck the next.

These hypotheticals you are coming up with are not realistic. You are not drafting the next Parsons. You are not drafting the next JJ Watt. You are drafting the next BIjan Robinson, Joey Porter, Christian Gonzales, Jalen Carter. That's what you know.

The reason I compared him to AP is because that’s the only scenario where you get top 10 value out of drafting a RB (or even top 20 due to the position they play.) Even Zeke with his great first few years was not more valuable than the next 5 lineman taken after him.

If all we know is who they are right now, then position becomes the biggest value factor. If you believe positional value should not be heavily considered, do you believe it is not an enormous factor when comparing players?

 

[Jipper]

What if Bijan has a better 2023 but a worse 2024-2027? Is that first round value to you? You cant take guys just based on what they’re unlikely to do as 21-22 year old rookies. You’re drafting for the future of your franchise

It's a fair question for sure and at 26 I would be happy with 2 all pro years and 2-3 high level years with him gone after....problem is we are comparing him at 26 to zeke at 4 which are totally different mind sets.

All that being said, I'm totally out on the 1st round rb and would prefer either a 1st round graded talent that dropped at any position or if none are left then a trade back.

 

[KJJ]

There’s two negatives drafting an RB early. The biggest negative is they don’t have long careers. We drafted Zeke in 2016 and he was done after 7 seasons. Actually, he was done a little sooner than that. The other negative is, it’s a passing league which has devalued RBs and RB is one of the easiest positions to find a good player later in the draft. There’s been a lot of good RBs taken after the first round.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

It's a fair question for sure and at 26 I would be happy with 2 all pro years and 2-3 high level years with him gone after....problem is we are comparing him at 26 to zeke at 4 which are totally different mind sets.

All that being said, I'm totally out on the 1st round rb and would prefer either a 1st round graded talent that dropped at any position or if none are left then a trade back.

This is in response the original post where taking Bijan was at pick 10 for Philly. If you’re at 26 and he’s still somehow there, you dont like the other options at the pick and no one will trade with you.. then sure take Bijan.

 

[CATCH17]

What if Bijan has a better 2023 but a worse 2024-2027? Is that first round value to you? You cant take guys just based on what they’re unlikely to do as 21-22 year old rookies. You’re drafting for the future of your franchise

Agree but when you’re in a position to go for it then why not…

Is Dak’s arm going to get us to the promise land? Lol.


The Cowboys MUST have an explosive run game with Dak as our QB.

 

[starfan1]

I feel like Robinson or Gibbs either one would be ideal
If one of them and Avila were our first 2 picks I’d be ecstatic

Then if Kraft was our 3rd rounder it’s a great graft regardless of what 4-6 rounds brought

 

[Sydla]

Same arguments made years ago as to why we had to take Elliott.

Didn’t change the franchise. TBs have one of the least impacts position wise when you see how reliant they are on the OL, etc.

But Jerry likes his flashy toys, so it would not surprise me to see him go gaga over a TB again.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Agree but when you’re in a position to go for it then why not…

Is Dak’s arm going to get us to the promise land? Lol.


The Cowboys MUST have an explosive run game with Dak as our QB.

Why not a more explosive pass rush? It was very good but there was still a margin between Dallas and Philly. Your 4 starting Dlineman combined for 19.5 sacks last year. You could put a monster opposite Micah and that would be huge for you.

Or conversely, a better Oline will also improve your run game and at limited risks vs RB

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Same arguments made years ago as to why we had to take Elliott.

Didn’t change the franchise. TBs have one of the least impacts position wise when you see how reliant they are on the OL, etc.

But Jerry likes his flashy toys, so it would not surprise me to see him go gaga over a TB again.

Jerry's still trying to replicate his SB winning teams....