Why are fans so afraid of taking a RB early?

[kevm3]

If Bijan is there, you take him, especially with a late pick like we have. I'd much rather have a standout rb than a mediocre reach at another position. Why are we assuming Pollard will look like Pollard of old after that injury? If we don't have someone and Pollard either goes out again or doesn't look like the same Pollard, we've pretty much turned into a one dimensional team where Dak has to throw like 40 times a game. That's not a recipe for success.

 

[CATCH17]

Why not a more explosive pass rush? It was very good but there was still a margin between Dallas and Philly. Your 4 starting Dlineman combined for 19.5 sacks last year. You could put a monster opposite Micah and that would be huge for you.

Or conversely, a better Oline will also improve your run game and at limited risks vs RB

I got no problem with that but do we best San Fran with a better pass rush?

We can’t depend on Dak’s arm come playoff time. We’re in hear 8 and he’s not that guy in the playoffs.

 

[SuperBowlz]

And let's think back to 2016. The only reason they took Elliott was because the Jones' panicked after the 2015 season, which wasn't very good. They had let Murray walk, the correct decision, after 2014 and couldn't replicate that success in 2015. But they erroneously thought it was the running game that was the culprit but it was the fact Romo was hurt. They had a TB run for 1000 yards in 2015 with crappy QB play but for some reason they went into the 2016 draft thinking the missing piece was the TB.

Just bizarre roster building.

I wanted Jalen Ramsey. But Zeke was fantastic early on. I just think you need to stick to lineman or QB with your top 10 picks.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

How was Zeke not more valuable? They won 13 games with him and he got suspended the next season and the Cowboys only won 9 and missed out on the playoffs. Explain that one to me?

Positional value matters when comparing players. Yes. And Bijan still wins in that regard. And I disagree with needing AP in order to get value. If Bijan has...a Christian McCaffery season and I win a ring then I'm set. I don't care what he does he does the rest of the year.

Let me ask you....do you regret drafting Carson Wentz?

How could this possibly compare to Carson? You could take any player and then make up a scenario where that player gets hurt and your GM goes above and beyond to get the team in championship position. You keep bringing up Mccaffrey, but you don’t win a ring with him. Carolina was just the same with or without him. SF was already good before he got there, he helps sure, but not like Bosa; not even in the same stratosphere. They made it to the exact same spot they were at before they even had Mccaffrey. Not unlike Dallas and Zeke.

Would you pay Christian Mccaffrey 25-35m$ AAV? Never, because he is not worth it due to the position he plays. He’s barely worth half that.

If you only won 11 games in 2016, that still wins the division. Home playoff game round 1 vs a lesser wild card and then you lose round 2. That’s the same season. Regular season wins is no team’s barometer. You had an Uber talented 2016 roster. You didn’t need Ezekiel Elliot to get snuffed out in the second round. In the Ezekiel Elliot era, you’ve made a couple second round appearances, but If you had a better pass rush, that could have been the difference in both SF games; If you had a better Dline, the different in 2018 LAR giant rushing day or 2016 when you couldnt quite stop Rodgers in the end.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Two years before adding Elliott, team went 12-4 and got as far in the playoffs as the 2016 Elliott team and did that with a 3rd round TB.

Plow your valuable resources into important positions, find your TBs like many of the good teams do, elsewhere.

Chiefs used a 1st rounder on CEH...didn't work but they are a good team and felt the need to do it. 49ers traded for McCaffery who was a top 10 pick....Eagles are in talks with Henry....if its so easy to get a RB why are these teams doing this?

And the team prior won 12 games with Romo. The minute Romo got hurt they won 4 games. And they probably would've won the same or a little more if not for Zeke and Dak in 2016.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I wanted Jalen Ramsey. But Zeke was fantastic early on. I just think you need to stick to lineman or QB with your top 10 picks.

I mean I'd have no issue with a edge rusher either....the problem in 2016 it just wasn't much there. When Bosa was gone it put us in a tough spot.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Im not saying its realistic, but thats the idea. You want your first round pick to be a two contract player, and its generally considered an inefficient use of cap space giving a HB a 2nd contract. Those two beliefs are why people tend to be against a HB in the 1st round.

I understand that but the beliefs are based on myths created online or by some stat googlers....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Sure, Elliott was a plus player here. Don't mistake my argument as being Elliott wasn't that good. He was quite good.

But he didn't elevate the franchise beyond where they had been, say in 2014, when the were very good with a third round TB.

The reality is TB is not a game changing, franchise altering position. Use your prime assets on more valuable/important positions.

HE did not. You're correct. But who at 4 would've though? I think you describe a guy like Parsons.....a Mahomes....I get what you're saying...Bosa could've done it...that for sure was not Deforest Buckner or Ramsey though.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The biggest talking point I keep seeing about the whole "don't take a RB early" is because you can get one in later rounds and they don't last long.

Is it not a asset to take a RB in the 1st round?

I get him for 4 years with a option year which is 5 years on a favorable rookie deal.

I can think franchise him for one year at 11-12 million......

I'm getting 6 years of a guys young prime career on a affordable deal and I'm getting one of the better RB prospects in this draft....

Will you get 6 prime years out of any other position not Quarterback? Maybe wide receiver?

I'm just trying to figure out why should I be afraid to take a RB early like others seem to be. If I was the Eagles and had the 10th pick in the draft I for sure would think long and hard about Bijan Robinson.

You get one in the the 4th that you can get for 4 years also.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

How could this possibly compare to Carson? You could take any player and then make up a scenario where that player gets hurt and your GM goes above and beyond to get the team in championship position. You keep bringing up Mccaffrey, but you don’t win a ring with him. Carolina was just the same with or without him. SF was already good before he got there, he helps sure, but not like Bosa; not even in the same stratosphere. They made it to the exact same spot they were at before they even had Mccaffrey. Not unlike Dallas and Zeke.

Would you pay Christian Mccaffrey 25-35m$ AAV? Never, because he is not worth it due to the position he plays. He’s barely worth half that.

If you only won 11 games in 2016, that still wins the division. Home playoff game round 1 vs a lesser wild card and then you lose round 2. That’s the same season. Regular season wins is no team’s barometer. You had an Uber talented 2016 roster. You didn’t need Ezekiel Elliot to get snuffed out in the second round. In the Ezekiel Elliot era, you’ve made a couple second round appearances, but If you had a better pass rush, that could have been the difference in both SF games; If you had a better Dline, the different in 2018 LAR giant rushing day or 2016 when you couldnt quite stop Rodgers in the end.

My question on Wentz is isolated. I'm asking do you regret taking Wentz? Or if you dont' want to answer that do you think the Eagles front office regrets Carson Wentz? All those 1st and 2nd rounders? You think they regret it?


I bring up McCaffery because its proof a winning organization values the position enough to invest multiple draft draft capital int he position. How was 2016 uber talented when they just won 4 games the year prior?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You get one in the the 4th that you can get for 4 years also.

One in the 4th won't be anywhere as good as Gibbs or Bijan.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

My question on Wentz is isolated. I'm asking do you regret taking Wentz? Or if you dont' want to answer that do you think the Eagles front office regrets Carson Wentz? All those 1st and 2nd rounders? You think they regret it?


I bring up McCaffery because its proof a winning organization values the position enough to invest multiple draft draft capital int he position. How was 2016 uber talented when they just won 4 games the year prior?

Carson Wentz did not turn out the be the player we traded up for, but he was necessary for the butterfly effect to play out how it did. So no I don’t regret the pick because he had to suck to get us 2 SB appearances, 1 ring, and Jalen Hurts. But as far as what we were trying to get by trading up… huge bust


Your use of Mccaffrey proves they don’t value putting top resources into the Rb position. One of the hang ups on the CMC to SF trade was that SF refused to give a first for him. If Dallas wants someone else to take Bijan and trade lesser assets for him later, that’s a different conversation. We’re not discussing that Bijan isnt a good player or that RB’s aren’t worthwhile, they’re just not worth the loss in value of spending a 1 on him

 

[Sydla]

I got no problem with that but do we best San Fran with a better pass rush?

We can’t depend on Dak’s arm come playoff time. We’re in hear 8 and he’s not that guy in the playoffs.

The problem here is thinking that if we had Robinson, somehow the run game is the tits against San Fran.

The OL was the problem. Thinking that if we had Robinson that changes the outcome of that game is strange.

 

[Sydla]

Chiefs used a 1st rounder on CEH...didn't work but they are a good team and felt the need to do it. 49ers traded for McCaffery who was a top 10 pick....Eagles are in talks with Henry....if its so easy to get a RB why are these teams doing this?

And the team prior won 12 games with Romo. The minute Romo got hurt they won 4 games. And they probably would've won the same or a little more if not for Zeke and Dak in 2016.

And I think the Chiefs likely would love to have that pick back now. Their best TB was a late round pick.

Trading for Henry is precisely something we should be doing. Tennessee isn't going to get any real value for Henry. Henry also only has one year left on his deal so there's no significant contract that you'd have to take on.

That's how we should be doing it........... churn TBs in the middle rounds, hit FA where there are always competent backs every year and often cheap and jump on the potential trade where you can take advantage of a team just looking to move on.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Carson Wentz did not turn out the be the player we traded up for, but he was necessary for the butterfly effect to play out how it did. So no I don’t regret the pick because he had to suck to get us 2 SB appearances, 1 ring, and Jalen Hurts. But as far as what we were trying to get by trading up… huge bust


Your use of Mccaffrey proves they don’t value putting top resources into the Rb position. One of the hang ups on the CMC to SF trade was that SF refused to give a first for him. If Dallas wants someone else to take Bijan and trade lesser assets for him later, that’s a different conversation. We’re not discussing that Bijan isnt a good player or that RB’s aren’t worthwhile, they’re just not worth the loss in value of spending a 1 on him

And that's my stance. Wentz was the necessary evil in order for you to get two SB appearances. I wouldn't have regrets either. THat's how I feel about Bijan or any running back. If I appear in a SB I wouldn't care how I Did.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am fine with Robinson at 26. He is RB1 and a definite high first round grade in a draft with maybe twenty first grades. He would make a ton of big plays and make offenses have to account for him.

I am also fine with several prospects in later rounds. None of those later round picks have that jump cut, stop start, balance, vision, and power that Robinson displays.

 

[CATCH17]

The problem here is thinking that if we had Robinson, somehow the run game is the tits against San Fran.

The OL was the problem. Thinking that if we had Robinson that changes the outcome of that game is strange.

I’m always down for improving the OL but I can’t imagine the juggernaut of a line we need to win with this supporting cast of players.

I don’t think it’s realistic.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

And that's my stance. Wentz was the necessary evil in order for you to get two SB appearances. I wouldn't have regrets either. THat's how I feel about Bijan or any running back. If I appear in a SB I wouldn't care how I Did.

Carson was injured and we rallied around his backup. Any player can be a catalyst in that sense then and you don’t need to burn a pick on Bijan. Why do you feel a star RB would help you appear in a SB? If you want to appear in a SB and don’t care about the means, why not do it the way everyone else is

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Carson was injured and we rallied around his backup. Any player can be a catalyst in that sense then and you don’t need to burn a pick on Bijan. Why do you feel a star RB would help you appear in a SB? If you want to appear in a SB and don’t care about the means, why not do it the way everyone else is

Chiefs literally just used a 1st rounder on a RB two seasons ago lol.

I believe the best teams win the SB typically.

I'm just not of the belief that reaching for a guard is better than drafting Bijan just because I can get a running back in the 4th. I can get a guard in the 4th too.

 

[Sydla]

I’m always down for improving the OL but I can’t imagine the juggernaut of a line we need to win with this supporting cast of players.

I don’t think it’s realistic.

What's not realistic to me is thinking a TB, not a better OL, is the missing key to winning.

We literally just went through this for 5-6 years and yet you guys want to repeat it all over again.