Why are people blaming Kellen Moore for the deep throw on 3rd?

[fansince68]

Nice post. I was wondering if it was dialed up that way or if Prescott got too big for his britches. I can’t act like I know the answer, but it did have me wondering. It was just too bizarre to have actually been called that way.

If it wasn't called that way. I don't want to hear the same old crap from Dak. I gotta do better. I gotta eliminate the ints. Same Ole same Ole 40 million dollar crap. And all Jerry can see is OBJ, OBJ, like he owns oil fields in Hawaii or something.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

From the answer that McCarthy gives, it appears this was a playcalling decision by the coaches. Wish Dak would have checked out of it for a run and make the Jaguars use that last time out.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Running the ball would have forced the Jaguars to burn their 3rd timeout. Which means on that last pass in regulation they would have had no way to stop the clock and kick the 48 yard field goal that sent the game to overtime.

Hindsight is always 20-20 but calling a deep pass there is beyond dumb. Even a short pass with a higher chance of being completed would have made more sense. There is a time and a place to be aggressive and today the coaches had their heads up their collective behinds.

Thats not how it works

The Jags most likely wouldve called the game differently on that last drive, knowing they had no timeouts.

 

[droopdog7]

If you were going to throw on that series, do it on 2md down and make sure it's a high percentage throw. Not that junk.

It was second and 14. First thing you need to do is see if you can get to a position where throwing the ball is worth it. And second and 14 isn’t it. You’re probably not going to get the first and still would be faced with choice on third down even if completed.

Play calls we’re exactly right. Just didn’t work out.

 

[Spurdog]

From the answer that McCarthy gives, it appears this was a playcalling decision by the coaches. Wish Dak would have checked out of it for a run and make the Jaguars use that last time out.

And continuing to put that in Daks hands is the reason we lose. Dak has to be managed in these situations because he has shown time and again he will make a bad decision if you leave to him.

 

[droopdog7]

From the answer that McCarthy gives, it appears this was a playcalling decision by the coaches. Wish Dak would have checked out of it for a run and make the Jaguars use that last time out.

MM correct

 

[Kumala808]

its on mac too, he needs to step in

 

[cityochamps]

From the answer that McCarthy gives, it appears this was a playcalling decision by the coaches. Wish Dak would have checked out of it for a run and make the Jaguars use that last time out.

He doesn't regret the play calling??? That's a problem right there.

 

[TheCoolFan]

There are times where throwing it to ice away the game is a good decision. The options should change based on the situation. Kellen called those three plays like he already pre-determined them before the series even started. Once you lose 3 yards on 1st down, you need to adapt and re-assess. Instead, Kellen scripted those three plays, knowing the 3rd down was going to be a pass and it was a terrible play that had no chance of succeeding.

That shows how flawed and limited Kellen is as an OC

 

[buybuydandavis]

I cannot wait for the All 22 to come out. Yes Noah Brown went deep.....BUT.....BUT....Dak threw it to him. Maybe the plan was for him to go deep to take the Safety with him thus opening the middle up for something else? All I know is....I highly doubt Noah Brown was the primary receiver on that play. If none of the action was open on the other side....perhaps Dak should have just given himself up to take a sack and force them to use a timeout. But Kellen Moore did not throw that ball deep....Dak did. Heck, even if none of the other wide receivers had created enough separation and Dak did not want to risk throwing an interception....he still could have given himself up and taken a sack to force the Jags to use their TO.

And this is not a bash Dak thread or a bash Kellen Moore thread....this is just a response to so many upset with the play call.

If Kellen called a pass to Brown that was just a clear out, he took him out of the play. Unhelpful. And I'd have to see the play again too, but it seemed that Brown had a side of the field to himself.

Some kind of comeback route would have kept him as a useful target on a higher percentage route. Basically money, as Brown had a ton of room to work with that I recall.

We didn't need a deep pass. We needed *no incompletion* first, then we needed a first down. There was so much room on that side of the field, but Brown ran himself into coverage and then out of bounds, not giving Dak much of a window, while any kind of comeback would have given Dak a massive window to target Brown.

 

[JonesBoys]

Nice post. I was wondering if it was dialed up that way or if Prescott got too big for his britches. I can’t act like I know the answer, but it did have me wondering. It was just too bizarre to have actually been called that way.

Tell me, why does everyone know that Dak tends to force things expect his coordinator? Shouldn’t Moore understand Dak’s tendencies and play it safe there???

 

[buybuydandavis]

should have been a run play. Jaguars got to keep a timeout and used it to force the game to OT.

Or, you just tell your QB to take a high percentage pass for a completion or just keep it. We were punting anyway w/o a first down. A pass play gives you a chance for a first down and really closing out the game, and doesn't stop the clock unless you're stupid or unlucky about it.

Instead, Moore called a low percentage route and Dak chose to throw it. Just bad football.

 

[buybuydandavis]

It's the nature of this forum. This year's scapegoat has been pre determined a while back.
Film of quarterback decision making in real time is not to be considered.

It's Kellen's fault.

Straw man.

You can judge the play of all players and coaches involved in the play. It's not either or.

Bad route call for Noah by Moore.
Bad decision to throw it by Dak.

 

[links18]

It was second and 14. First thing you need to do is see if you can get to a position where throwing the ball is worth it. And second and 14 isn’t it. You’re probably not going to get the first and still would be faced with choice on third down even if completed.

Play calls we’re exactly right. Just didn’t work out.

I would have liked to see a screen pass on 2nd down, but I guess we don't do those.

 

[Havic]

Or, you just tell your QB to take a high percentage pass for a completion or just keep it. We were punting anyway w/o a first down. A pass play gives you a chance for a first down and really closing out the game, and doesn't stop the clock unless you're stupid or unlucky about it.

Instead, Moore called a low percentage route and Dak chose to throw it. Just bad football.

Pass play made zero sense. Had it been say 3rd and 5 ok I get it, but 3-10, you run or screen.

 

[buybuydandavis]

There are times where throwing it to ice away the game is a good decision. The options should change based on the situation. Kellen called those three plays like he already pre-determined them before the series even started. Once you lose 3 yards on 1st down, you need to adapt and re-assess. Instead, Kellen scripted those three plays, knowing the 3rd down was going to be a pass and it was a terrible play that had no chance of succeeding.

Looked to me like Brown was isolated on his side and a throw to him had a good chance of succeeding.
But not the route called, given how he was played.
My recollection is that the DB played off and Noah spent 20 yards running toward him, A comeback would have been and easy pitch and catch.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

If Kellen called a pass to Brown that was just a clear out, he took him out of the play. Unhelpful. And I'd have to see the play again too, but it seemed that Brown had a side of the field to himself.

Some kind of comeback route would have kept him as a useful target on a higher percentage route. Basically money, as Brown had a ton of room to work with that I recall.

We didn't need a deep pass. We needed *no incompletion* first, then we needed a first down. There was so much room on that side of the field, but Brown ran himself into coverage and then out of bounds, not giving Dak much of a window, while any kind of comeback would have given Dak a massive window to target Brown.

I don't disagree....but since Noah Brown DID NOT run a comeback...should Dak have thrown it?

 

[buybuydandavis]

The way I see it, coaches bear the blame when the team just looks listless. Players bear the blame when the execution on plays just flat out sucks.

Sometimes it's both.
More than one person can fail on a play.

 

[mknight21]

should have been a run play. Jaguars got to keep a timeout and used it to force the game to OT.

How about not giving up a 19 yard play with 12 seconds left

 

[Cmac]

It's the nature of this forum. This year's scapegoat has been pre determined a while back.
Film of quarterback decision making in real time is not to be considered.

It's Kellen's fault.

I'd say look at the first play of that series........a RPO to Zeke and the DL is not blocked. Question: When has KMoore outschemed an opponent.....Minnesota? I'm watching the Bengals chew clock up and all save passes mixed with the run. Dak, if he ever wants to remove the heat......start questiong some of the mess Air Coryell Jr is sending in. Has Dak improved under Air Coryell Jr? Has he?