Why are people blaming Kellen Moore for the deep throw on 3rd?

[Pevansjr]

Straw man.

You can judge the play of all players and coaches involved in the play. It's not either or.

Bad route call for Noah by Moore.
Bad decision to throw it by Dak.

I think if we're looking at this objectively this is a reasonable conclusion.

 

[WillieBeamen]

I'd say look at the first play of that series........a RPO to Zeke and the DL is not blocked. Question: When has KMoore outschemed an opponent.....Minnesota? I'm watching the Bengals chew clock up and all save passes mixed with the run. Dak, if he ever wants to remove the heat......start questiong some of the mess Air Coryell Jr is sending in. Has Dak improved under Air Coryell Jr? Has he?

He just outschemed the Colts two weeks ago

 

[Captain-Crash]

It's the nature of this forum. This year's scapegoat has been pre determined a while back.
Film of quarterback decision making in real time is not to be considered.

It's Kellen's fault.

Kurt Warner doesn't know football he's a bagger at a grocery store. LOL

 

[Cmac]

This is the frustrating aspect in determining who is the real problem? Is it Dak or is it KM? On any given pass play if 3 receivers go out and a TE, it's not KM's fault if Dak throws the ball to the guy who is most covered or in the worst position to make a play. It's not if the play coming in from the sideline is..."OK Dak. We are going to send CD here, and Gallup here, and Schultz there, but you MUST throw the football to Brown because I say so."

Dak doesn't improve under Air Coryell Jr's tutelage......at all.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I don't disagree....but since Noah Brown DID NOT run a comeback...should Dak have thrown it?

Nope. Low percentage pass. Better to keep the clock running.

I don't recall what, if anything, was in front of Dak. I don't think much. Maybe there was space to run it.My recollection is that that side of the field was cleared out by Noah running deep. Maybe Dak could have run for the first down.

If it looked unlikely, just go down and punt. We didn't need the field position given the coming punt.

Recent highlite (lowlite?) of the Giant QB throwing a ball away late instead of just taking the sack and keeping the clock running. Giving back the ball with extra time on the clock. Just bad football.

 

[Cmac]

He just outschemed the Colts two weeks ago

Who doesn't? How about.....When has Air Coryell Jr outschemed a good team? Let's try that.

 

[shabazz]

Dak has neither the skill nor ability to throw deep. Any deep pass by Deek is gonna be another INT.
How did we get stuck with this $40 mil Dreck?

His community service outreach was just too good to let him go.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Pass play made zero sense. Had it been say 3rd and 5 ok I get it, but 3-10, you run or screen.

You're probably not making it anyway, but you run some play that gives you a chance, and if it's open, you take it. A screen can fall incomplete too.

It's a matter of designing the right play for the situation, trusting your QB to make the right decision, and the QB actually making the right decision.

 

[droopdog7]

I would have liked to see a screen pass on 2nd down, but I guess we don't do those.

What I know is that we’re terrible at those

 

[john van brocklin]

I cannot wait for the All 22 to come out. Yes Noah Brown went deep.....BUT.....BUT....Dak threw it to him. Maybe the plan was for him to go deep to take the Safety with him thus opening the middle up for something else? All I know is....I highly doubt Noah Brown was the primary receiver on that play. If none of the action was open on the other side....perhaps Dak should have just given himself up to take a sack and force them to use a timeout. But Kellen Moore did not throw that ball deep....Dak did. Heck, even if none of the other wide receivers had created enough separation and Dak did not want to risk throwing an interception....he still could have given himself up and taken a sack to force the Jags to use their TO.

And this is not a bash Dak thread or a bash Kellen Moore thread....this is just a response to so many upset with the play call.

That play was a real head scratcher for sure.
Didn't understand it at all.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I would have liked to see a screen pass on 2nd down, but I guess we don't do those.

Which is dumb with our RBs, our relative strength in run blocking, and our relative weakness in pass blocking.
Tyler can really get downfield and hit defenders in open space. Collins was good at that, and Tyler seems even better.
Meanwhile, the right side of the oline is Martin and Tyron. Probably guys that make something good happen leading a screen.

 

[DoctorChicken]

It was a ******* playcall and a ******* throw. If you listened to the audio, Moore called another pass before that that Prescott checked out of and handed off to Pollard. He should have done that again and forced Jacksonville to use their last timeout.

 

[Lutonio]

Tell me, why does everyone know that Dak tends to force things expect his coordinator? Shouldn’t Moore understand Dak’s tendencies and play it safe there???

I can’t say for sure he does. I have to assume that the guys getting paid millions of dollars know the best way to the run clock just like the rest of us eating Cheetos in the lazy boy. When it doesn’t work out the way logic would say it obviously need to, you have to believe someone went rogue. It’s too obvious how it should have been executed to be anything else.

Me in my underwear and Cheeto fingers can’t know more than the coaches getting paid millions. That just can’t be the case. If it is, Jerry Jones can pay me 1/6 what he pays them I’ll lose games just as well.

 

[Kingofholland]

I cannot wait for the All 22 to come out. Yes Noah Brown went deep.....BUT.....BUT....Dak threw it to him. Maybe the plan was for him to go deep to take the Safety with him thus opening the middle up for something else? All I know is....I highly doubt Noah Brown was the primary receiver on that play. If none of the action was open on the other side....perhaps Dak should have just given himself up to take a sack and force them to use a timeout. But Kellen Moore did not throw that ball deep....Dak did. Heck, even if none of the other wide receivers had created enough separation and Dak did not want to risk throwing an interception....he still could have given himself up and taken a sack to force the Jags to use their TO.

And this is not a bash Dak thread or a bash Kellen Moore thread....this is just a response to so many upset with the play call.

If they weren't going to run it, an rb screen would have been the perfect play. Ultimately that drive, along with the defense unable to get a stop in the final drive gave the Jaguars a chance. There is no reason this game had to go to OT.

 

[buybuydandavis]

That play was a real head scratcher for sure.
Didn't understand it at all.

The route selection just seemed bad.

I think Noah had the left to himself. The guy played him deep. If he had the option on the play, just drive the guy deeper then comeback.

The only thing I can see is if he didn't get that option, or failed to take it.

The route is what you want if you were jammed at the LOS. Then you try to run past. But he wasn't jammed, the DB played off, and Noah spent most of his route running *toward* a deep defender, then cut off the route with an out with very little room for the out.

He ran the route that worked for the coverage they played on him.

Note that you don't *want* to be jammed - you're hoping he plays off for an easy pitch and catch comeback. We got the coverage that gave us an easy completion, but didn't run the route to get it.

Something is wrong when they hand you what you most need but you manage not to take it.

 

[john van brocklin]

The route selection just seemed bad.

I think Noah had the left to himself. The guy played him deep. If he had the option on the play, just drive the guy deeper then comeback.

The only thing I can see is if he didn't get that option, or failed to take it.

The route is what you want if you were jammed at the LOS. Then you try to run past. But he wasn't jammed, the DB played off, and Noah spent most of his route running *toward* a deep defender, then cut off the route with an out with very little room for the out.

He ran the route that worked for the coverage they played on him.

Note that you don't *want* to be jammed - you're hoping he plays off for an easy pitch and catch comeback. We got the coverage that gave us an easy completion, but didn't run the route to get it.

Something is wrong when they hand you what you most need but you manage not to take it.

Not only was the decision to throw deep poor , Noah was not open either.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I can’t say for sure he does. I have to assume that the guys getting paid millions of dollars know the best way to the run clock just like the rest of us eating Cheetos in the lazy boy.

Not my conclusion watching the Cowboys for decades.

Garrett would throw away a game or two a year with bad clock management. Like clockwork. And then defend his bad decision. Year after year. And he was paid a lot.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Not only was the decision to throw deep poor , Noah was not open either.

True. He wasn't open *on the route run*. Unfortunately, the route run ran him into the defender and the sideline.

Seeing that, Dak should have just kept the ball and kept the clock running.

Again, my recollection is that he had a ton of room to get open but the route chosen by someone gave all that room away deep downfield for a low percentage window.

 

[75boyz]

Not only was the decision to throw deep poor , Noah was not open either.

I am permanently stuck in this mindset you describe here of Dak and his decision making.

 

[buybuydandavis]

From the answer that McCarthy gives, it appears this was a playcalling decision by the coaches. Wish Dak would have checked out of it for a run and make the Jaguars use that last time out.

Ugh. Another idiot HC justifying idiot clock management. I thought that guy left to Jersey.

Just a false alternative. There are more options than the two given, the most obvious being take a high percentage throw for a first if it appears, take an easy completion that might be run for a first, or the QB keeps it running or just going down to keep the clock running.

We didn't do any of those. We took a low percentage pass instead.

You don't have to decide before the snap. You can leave it up to the QB to decide within the play whether the percentages are on the side of throwing. And with the route and the coverage, they weren't. Just keep the ball and keep the clock running.