Why are people blaming Kellen Moore for the deep throw on 3rd?

[boysfanperiod]

Did Dak stick with the play Moore called or did he change the play?
By now Dak should be experienced enough to make the right call.

Shane, your guess is as good as mine. I don't know.

Dak never throws the ball away. He is heaving it up. We never get those lucky bounces like Mahommes or Rodgers. He never throws the ball away.

 

[Risen Star]

I cannot wait for the All 22 to come out. Yes Noah Brown went deep.....BUT.....BUT....Dak threw it to him. Maybe the plan was for him to go deep to take the Safety with him thus opening the middle up for something else? All I know is....I highly doubt Noah Brown was the primary receiver on that play. If none of the action was open on the other side....perhaps Dak should have just given himself up to take a sack and force them to use a timeout. But Kellen Moore did not throw that ball deep....Dak did. Heck, even if none of the other wide receivers had created enough separation and Dak did not want to risk throwing an interception....he still could have given himself up and taken a sack to force the Jags to use their TO.

And this is not a bash Dak thread or a bash Kellen Moore thread....this is just a response to so many upset with the play call.

Because most fans think the call is throw it deep on 3.

99% of all fan play calling complaints are complete nonsense. I rarely pay attention to it.

 

[jblaze2004]

I cannot wait for the All 22 to come out. Yes Noah Brown went deep.....BUT.....BUT....Dak threw it to him. Maybe the plan was for him to go deep to take the Safety with him thus opening the middle up for something else? All I know is....I highly doubt Noah Brown was the primary receiver on that play. If none of the action was open on the other side....perhaps Dak should have just given himself up to take a sack and force them to use a timeout. But Kellen Moore did not throw that ball deep....Dak did. Heck, even if none of the other wide receivers had created enough separation and Dak did not want to risk throwing an interception....he still could have given himself up and taken a sack to force the Jags to use their TO.

And this is not a bash Dak thread or a bash Kellen Moore thread....this is just a response to so many upset with the play call.

Not sure who else was open. 91 did a nice stunt inside and Martin followed his guy outside past Tyron Smith so Tyron smith had no chance to block the inside stunt move. So Dak had no time to wait. They had Ceedee Lamb tripled yes tripled lol. Noah was one on one. And not sure what was going on with Gallup. Everyone else was left in to block. A see the TE leak out at the very last second but Dak was already loaded to throw it up for noah who was one on one and hope a body catcher like Noah makes a great play to catch the ball. Noah is a special teams player who played decent but we really need a better number 2 and 3 WR who can get open. It's like the Jaguars was forcing us to use someone other than Lamb (who still had a good game). But Noah Brown should never lead our team in targets like he did today.

And let's be honest. This defense was terrible today. There are no if ANDs or buts about it.

 

[john van brocklin]

True. He wasn't open *on the route run*. Unfortunately, the route run ran him into the defender and the sideline.

Seeing that, Dak should have just kept the ball and kept the clock running.

Again, my recollection is that he had a ton of room to get open but the route chosen by someone gave all that room away deep downfield for a low percentage window.

Just an awful sequence

 

[john van brocklin]

I am permanently stuck in this mindset you describe here of Dak and his decision making.

Yep, can't defend that

 

[Chuck 54]

I cannot wait for the All 22 to come out. Yes Noah Brown went deep.....BUT.....BUT....Dak threw it to him. Maybe the plan was for him to go deep to take the Safety with him thus opening the middle up for something else? All I know is....I highly doubt Noah Brown was the primary receiver on that play. If none of the action was open on the other side....perhaps Dak should have just given himself up to take a sack and force them to use a timeout. But Kellen Moore did not throw that ball deep....Dak did. Heck, even if none of the other wide receivers had created enough separation and Dak did not want to risk throwing an interception....he still could have given himself up and taken a sack to force the Jags to use their TO.

And this is not a bash Dak thread or a bash Kellen Moore thread....this is just a response to so many upset with the play call.

I think the plan was to get the first down. I think the guys they planned on were covered. Dak was about to be sacked, and I think he threw it deep because it was safe since Brown was in man coverage with no extra help. It was basically a throw away out of bounds but burned 2-3 extra air time seconds.

I didn’t mind passing the way our defense was going, but I hate that in those situations we don’t run the pick plays like other teams.

 

[zeke21]

Eagles did the same exact thing against the Bears on 3rd and 7. You just didn't hear about it because they completed the pass. I'm sure everybody thinks it was a great call.

That is completely inaccurate and deliberately misleading. So facts: Bears already had no time outs. They had gone for an onside kick and thus even if Eagles fail to convert the pass, they were in good shape in terms of field position, the Eagles also had a 5 point lead, so even if they turned it over.. the Bears would have needed a 90 yard drive for a TD with about 1.40min and no time outs...

**Also that pass was made right on the 2 minute warning - so the clock was going to stop anyway** All up it was a VERY VERY different situation to ours.

So in that situation.. they risk vs reward was fine to go for a pass.. and even then.. it was a SHORT pass across the flat and a high % chance of completion. Not a 30 yard bomb to your WR3.

So if anything.. THAT highlights why the Eagles are a better team and better placed. they played the PERCENTAGES and managed the game beautifully.. Hurts is a good QB.

Meanwhile.. there is no justification, absolutely ZERO for the play call, the play execution and the sheer disaster that 3rd down play was. It cost us a game.. and it is not the first time.

IF MM authorised it.. then he should go today.

 

[BoysForLife]

It's the nature of this forum. This year's scapegoat has been pre determined a while back.
Film of quarterback decision making in real time is not to be considered.

It's Kellen's fault.

 

[SiCk_DiAbLo]

Dak has neither the skill nor ability to throw deep. Any deep pass by Deek is gonna be another INT.
How did we get stuck with this $40 mil Dreck?

I can't remember the last time Dak tossed a 40-50 yard pass, can he even throw deep anymore?

 

[clff15701]

It was a throw away Gallup was covered and Cedee was blanketed. Brown was the only one left.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

On the contrary Dak is one of the best deep ball QB's in the NFL.

How was the D today big dog?

Y

I can't remember the last time Dak tossed a 40-50 yard pass, can he even throw deep anymore?

I believe he offered the deep-ball option to Jerald but Deek wanted an extra $10 mil for that perk.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

It was a throw away Gallup was covered and Cedee was blanketed. Brown was the only one left.

So as a veteran QB...when you break the huddle....your primary objective....whether you pick up the 1st down or not....is to get them to burn their last timeout. A throw away is not acceptable in that situation. If that is not clear than I don't trust the coaching in the QB room. I understand Mike McCarthy is "staying away from the offense"....but as the head coach...does he not at least advise during game time situations?

A safe throw or a run or heck even a QB scramble....but much like we coach a RB to stay in bounds when we are trying to drain the clock....the QB should know to force them to burn the timeout. Actually, that is the ONLY thing on this play that was in Daks control. If he makes a safe pass and the WR drops it...the QB is off the hook. But heaving the ball out of bounds in that situation is unacceptable. And that is NOT on Kellen Moore.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I cannot wait for the All 22 to come out. Yes Noah Brown went deep.....BUT.....BUT....Dak threw it to him. Maybe the plan was for him to go deep to take the Safety with him thus opening the middle up for something else? All I know is....I highly doubt Noah Brown was the primary receiver on that play. If none of the action was open on the other side....perhaps Dak should have just given himself up to take a sack and force them to use a timeout. But Kellen Moore did not throw that ball deep....Dak did. Heck, even if none of the other wide receivers had created enough separation and Dak did not want to risk throwing an interception....he still could have given himself up and taken a sack to force the Jags to use their TO.

And this is not a bash Dak thread or a bash Kellen Moore thread....this is just a response to so many upset with the play call.

Moore sent all 3 wrs deep and left Dak nothing underneath. It was a bad play call. Moore explained in a presser that he was going for the "kill shot".

 

[Cowboys5217]

I cannot wait for the All 22 to come out. Yes Noah Brown went deep.....BUT.....BUT....Dak threw it to him. Maybe the plan was for him to go deep to take the Safety with him thus opening the middle up for something else? All I know is....I highly doubt Noah Brown was the primary receiver on that play. If none of the action was open on the other side....perhaps Dak should have just given himself up to take a sack and force them to use a timeout. But Kellen Moore did not throw that ball deep....Dak did. Heck, even if none of the other wide receivers had created enough separation and Dak did not want to risk throwing an interception....he still could have given himself up and taken a sack to force the Jags to use their TO.

And this is not a bash Dak thread or a bash Kellen Moore thread....this is just a response to so many upset with the play call.

There were three deep routes on that play. The intent was to go deep from the start of that brain dead call. I just want to know who's stupid, game losing idea it was. Was it Moore? McCarthy? Dak changed the play? Whoever needs to come clean and take the media lumps for it so they can learn to never be that stupid again.

 

[Cowboys5217]

So as a veteran QB...when you break the huddle....your primary objective....whether you pick up the 1st down or not....is to get them to burn their last timeout. A throw away is not acceptable in that situation. If that is not clear than I don't trust the coaching in the QB room. I understand Mike McCarthy is "staying away from the offense"....but as the head coach...does he not at least advise during game time situations?

A safe throw or a run or heck even a QB scramble....but much like we coach a RB to stay in bounds when we are trying to drain the clock....the QB should know to force them to burn the timeout. Actually, that is the ONLY thing on this play that was in Daks control. If he makes a safe pass and the WR drops it...the QB is off the hook. But heaving the ball out of bounds in that situation is unacceptable. And that is NOT on Kellen Moore.

I keep telling people that even a victory formation kneel down was a much better call than that 3rd down pass. I hope it dawns on more people that we lost a game in which a kneel down almost certainly wins the game for us barring a miracle like a completed hail mary or one that draws a huge PI penalty on the defense.

 

[kskboys]

It was a dumb playcall. They lined up in an empty formation so no threat of a run at all...the defense saw it and knew it was an all-out pass. Jags drop 6 in coverage vs. 3 receivers so shocker...no one is open, especially when all of the WRs are running go routes. Just comedy. This team is dumb.

The play is at the 12:13 mark

Beyond dumb.

 

[kskboys]

There were three deep routes on that play. The intent was to go deep from the start of that brain dead call. I just want to know who's stupid, game losing idea it was. Was it Moore? McCarthy? Dak changed the play? Whoever needs to come clean and take the media lumps for it so they can learn to never be that stupid again.

Gawdawmighty, it was just so dumb.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Gawdawmighty, it was just so dumb.

So dumb I cannot fathom it.

This is why appeal to authority is indeed a fallacy. Moore (assuming he made the call) has the job and I never will, and yet I certainly would have made the right call there. Same for McCarthy. He has the HC job and I don't, yet I would certainly over rule Moore's call and make Dak give the ball to Zeke or Pollard.

 

[kskboys]

So dumb I cannot fathom it.

This is why appeal to authority is indeed a fallacy. Moore (assuming he made the call) has the job and I never will, and yet I certainly would have made the right call there. Same for McCarthy. He has the HC job and I don't, yet I would certainly over rule Moore's call and make Dak give the ball to Zeke or Pollard.

I watch other teams consistently throw time consuming chain moving 3-10 yd passes in this situation. How in hades do we not have this in our arsenal?

 

[JohnsKey19]

The play was essentially dead when Jax decided to triple cover Lamb. So you're left with Gallup who is struggling or Brown deep down the sideline. Both very low % throws.