Why did you guys give up over 100 yards rushing the last two games?

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Because our aggressive style of defense makes us more vulnerable to the big plays. Imagine the end of the Cowboy-Commanders MNF game, only more often.

Also, one of our starting CB's doesn't know when to call a cab and missed the first four games of the season due to 3 DUI's. Our pass defense has gotten better since Warfield's return.

Damn, Shouldn't he be in Jail for that?
 

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Doomsday101 said:
In the denver game most of the rushing yardage took place on the OT 1 long run by Dayne before that Dallas held denver in check running the ball. Aginst NY Barber did have over a 100 on 30 carries for 3.8 a carry.
and Barber also had 1 long run.
 

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Was it the loss of Dat Nguyen? Or something else?

Nope-most of those rushing yards were in OT(with a missed holding call to boot), and Tiki didn't even have 4 YPC last week, despite a 100 yd rushing effort.

Dude-you're entitled to your opinion, but are you some crystal ball or something.
 

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In the meantime tell us why the KC defense sucks so bad ranked 27th in the NFL?
A lot of reasons.

1. We've added 5 new faces to the starting line-up, and they didn't gel overnight.
2. We were missing our best DT until two weeks ago, and didn't have our #2 CB for the first 4 games of the season.
3. We still lack quality talent in several spots, including on the D-line and in the middle of the secondary.
4. Some of our players' aggressive approach makes them lack discipline and over-pursue misdirection plays.

The defense is trying to build from being one of the worst in the league last year. Injuries and suspensions slowed that process, but we are improving. Since Warfield has returned from suspension, the defense has improved significantly. We're still probably middle of the pack at best.

Now that I've answered that question, I'm curious if anyone wants to talk about the question in the thread starter.

Has the loss of Nguyen been a notable loss, and is it responsible for any decline in the run D? It's not an attempt at smack, it's a legitimate question. If anyone wants to answer with something other than "you suck", I'd be interested in hearing it.
 

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A lot of reasons.

1. We've added 5 new faces to the starting line-up, and they didn't gel overnight.
2. We were missing our best DT until two weeks ago, and didn't have our #2 CB for the first 4 games of the season.
3. We still lack quality talent in several spots, including on the D-line and in the middle of the secondary.
4. Some of our players' aggressive approach makes them lack discipline and over-pursue misdirection plays.

The defense is trying to build from being one of the worst in the league last year. Injuries and suspensions slowed that process, but we are improving. Since Warfield has returned from suspension, the defense has improved significantly. We're still probably middle of the pack at best.

Now that I've answered that question, I'm curious if anyone wants to talk about the question in the thread starter.

Has the loss of Nguyen been a notable loss, and is it responsible for any decline in the run D? It's not an attempt at smack, it's a legitimate question. If anyone wants to answer with something other than "you suck", I'd be interested in hearing it.

Dallas has given up a couple of big runs in the last 2 games which looks great on the stat sheet for the opposing team but no one has been just running at will aginst Dallas.
 

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The Chiefs D has been improving all year.

I am not sure we have much to worry about going against an anemic Dallas O that averages a meager 3.3 yards per rush.

Our run D should shut that down, the run D has been very good this year.

The Chefs pass defense? Complete pass=open up run game.
 

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The Chefs pass defense? Complete pass=open up run game.

I can tell you right now, if you can't run the ball, you won't have much success passing it, especially with a QB that can't move.

I like our run D vs your run O.

As for LJ vs your run D, I guess it is the unstoppable force vs the immovable object. Should be a great matchup! I guess we can't fault each other for being confident.
 

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Dallas has given up a couple of big runs in the last 2 games which looks great on the stat sheet for the opposing team but no one has been just running at will aginst Dallas.
I'm claiming anyone has been running at will on you guys. It's clear that isn't the case. Don't mistake questions about your D as attempts at detracting from it. I'm just a rival fan interested in this week's opponent.

I'm just curious if you are missing the presence of Nguyen. He's a solid LB and one of the vets on a young D.

Have you started running more 4-3 to cover the loss? Has his back-up been any good?
 

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You see what happens when you feed these trolls?

We end up wasting our time with useless, long threads like these.
 

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jspchief said:
Has the loss of Nguyen been a notable loss, and is it responsible for any decline in the run D? It's not an attempt at smack, it's a legitimate question. If anyone wants to answer with something other than "you suck", I'd be interested in hearing it.
The question was answered several times in this thread.

Since Nguyen's injury he's only been playing nickle anyway. The biggest loss of Nguyen was his intelligence and recognition skills, and just overall depth at the position. As a veteran and flat out football-playing dude, he's missed.

But as noted in other posts, knock out one long run and Denver's vaunted running game was shut down.

Tiki's a good running back, there's no shame in that, even tho it still took him 30 carries to get that 115 yds.
 

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A lot of reasons.

1. We've added 5 new faces to the starting line-up, and they didn't gel overnight.

I'm not going to get involved in this discussion except to ask a question and point out something you don't know about this Cowboys team. If your talking about 5 new starters compared to last years roster then you should be aware that last week against the Giants the Cowboys started 9 defensive players who didn't start for them last year.

Among them are 3 rookies, 3 players that we signed as free agents and 3 players which are 2nd or 3rd year players which had been reserve and ST players. I would think that warrants some "gel" time as well, but they have maintained a decent ranking while facing some of the highest powered offenses in the NFL.
 

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jspchief said:
I'm claiming anyone has been running at will on you guys. It's clear that isn't the case. Don't mistake questions about your D as attempts at detracting from it. I'm just a rival fan interested in this week's opponent.

I'm just curious if you are missing the presence of Nguyen. He's a solid LB and one of the vets on a young D.

Have you started running more 4-3 to cover the loss? Has his back-up been any good?

I think any time you lose a vet starter it has an effect on the team. Dat was a very heady player and directed the defense so losing him has hurt. However we have some guys who have stepped up and filled in nicely for us.
 

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I can tell you right now, if you can't run the ball, you won't have much success passing it, especially with a QB that can't move.

I like our run D vs your run O.

As for LJ vs your run D, I guess it is the unstoppable force vs the immovable object. Should be a great matchup! I guess we can't fault each other for being confident.

This matchup will be more about the Chiefs ability to throw the ball, especially downfield, against a good secondary. Hopefully our O-line gives Trent time to throw and the receivers time to get open. This has been the case since Roaf came back. The Chiefs WILL run the ball. It's Dallas's secondary that worries me. If they can get a strong push up front, they probably win. Otherwise they will lose.
 

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TunaFan33 said:
You see what happens when you feed these trolls?

We end up wasting our time with useless, long threads like these.
This thread's no more useless than the one the other day about our 3rd string QB that went 8 pages long. :rolleyes:

Besides I don't see any trolling going on, at this point.
 

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I'm not going to get involved in this discussion except to ask a question and point out something you don't know about this Cowboys team. If your talking about 5 new starters compared to last years roster then you should be aware that last week against the Giants the Cowboys started 9 defensive players who didn't start for them last year.

Among them are 3 rookies, 3 players that we signed as free agents and 3 players which are 2nd or 3rd year players which had been reserve and ST players. I would think that warrants some "gel" time as well, but they have maintained a decent ranking while facing some of the highest powered offenses in the NFL.
I'm fully aware of what you guys have done and it's very impressive.

That has nothing to do with KC though. We haven't been able to get the quick results that Dallas has. Maybe it's coaching, maybe it's talent, maybe it's both. The fact is, we added talent and they were slow to gel. They have steadily improved as the season has gone on, but the numbers are pretty skewed by some aweful defensive performances early in the year.

Someone asked why our defense sucks, and I gave reasons.They are reasons, not meant to be excuses. The fact that Dallas was able to overcome some of those same hurdles is a testament to your defense.
 

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Personally I think the biggest challenge Dallas faces against KC is Gonzalez not Larry Johnson. Dallas will be more than ready for the KC running game how we go about covering Gonzalez will be the big question
 

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TunaFan33 said:
You see what happens when you feed these trolls?

We end up wasting our time with useless, long threads like these.
Is this BB not used to long threads filled with intelligent football discussion?
 
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