Why did you guys give up over 100 yards rushing the last two games?

[sacase]

I'm not sure what you're basing your ratings on, but I will say the Chiefs have suffered in the passing game when Roaf and Welbourne have been out.

Our passing game doesn't struggle because of good coverage, it struggles because of pressure. With Roaf and Welbourne in, we should be able to minimize pressure. If you blitz, you better get there, because Green will shred blitzes.

The only other offense you guys have faced that has comparable weapons is San Diego. KC doesn't have to run, and they don't have to pass. They take what's there. If that means Gonzo gets 100+ yards receiving, so be it.

It will definately be an interesting game. It should seperate the wheat from the chaff.

RIIIGGGGHHHTTTTT....Let's explore this one shall we. Green has only thrown for more than 250 4 times this year. Now lets' look at this further. 289 Vs. Mia, ranked 16th vs pass, 347 against SD ranked 26th in pass, 323 VS NE 31 Vs pass and extreamly hurt, and finally 253 vs dever 28th vs pass. All of his games came against teams in 1 the AFC and two who were ranked in the bottom half of the NFL with 3 of them being in the last 6 in the NFL. Green defianatly does not scare me nor does he "light it up".

 

[kojak]

Actually I can't put all the balme on Bledsoe. I know the o-line problems hasn't helped his cause. But some of his decision making over the past few games leaves me scratching me head sometimes

 

[Chief3188]

RIIIGGGGHHHTTTTT....Let's explore this one shall we. Green has only thrown for more than 250 4 times this year. Now lets' look at this further. 289 Vs. Mia, ranked 16th vs pass, 347 against SD ranked 26th in pass, 323 VS NE 31 Vs pass and extreamly hurt, and finally 253 vs dever 28th vs pass. All of his games came against teams in 1 the AFC and two who were ranked in the bottom half of the NFL with 3 of them being in the last 6 in the NFL. Green defianatly does not scare me nor does he "light it up".

You do know that most of those teams have bad passing defense rankings because of their winning records and excellent run defenses right ?? Look at all the teams in the top ten in pass defense and tell me how many of them have a winning record and then look at the bottom ten and tell me the same thing and lets see how your arguement fares ??

 

[Chief3188]

Also take a look at the top ten run defenses and their teams records and the bottom ten -- Now tell me whats more significant in how a team is doing ?? Run defense or pass defense ??

 

[jspchief]

RIIIGGGGHHHTTTTT....Let's explore this one shall we. Green has only thrown for more than 250 4 times this year. Now lets' look at this further. 289 Vs. Mia, ranked 16th vs pass, 347 against SD ranked 26th in pass, 323 VS NE 31 Vs pass and extreamly hurt, and finally 253 vs dever 28th vs pass. All of his games came against teams in 1 the AFC and two who were ranked in the bottom half of the NFL with 3 of them being in the last 6 in the NFL. Green defianatly does not scare me nor does he "light it up".

This year Green has had some bad games because or our two injured tackles. Just like I said in my previous post. He's also had games where he didn't need to pass because we ran so well.

Green's been top 5 in the league in Yds, TDs, and rating for 3 years running. I don't really care if he scares you, but if you think putting the game on his shoulders will automatically hamper our offense, that certainly isn't the case.

Personally, I'm not sure it matters because I don't expect you to stop our running game.

 

[Chief3188]

This year Green has had some bad games because or our two injured tackles. Just like I said in my previous post. He's also had games where he didn't need to pass because we ran so well.

Green's been top 5 in the league in Yds, TDs, and rating for 3 years running. I don't really care if he scares you, but if you think putting the game on his shoulders will automatically hamper our offense, that certainly isn't the case.

Personally, I'm not sure it matters because I don't expect you to stop our running game.

In the last 4 years the only QB to throw for more yards than Green has been Manning and as of now Green is only the 5th QB in history to post back to back 4000 yard seasons and only the 7th Qb in history to post 3 straight seasons with a rating above 90. Also we were missing 3 Olineman with Roaf, Welbourn and Sampson out therefore forcing us to use our backup RG as our LT and our third string RT which severly hampered our pass protection and at times strained our running game. Let them underestimate us all they want on offense as the only thing that matters is what happens on Sunday.

 

[lane]

i think this is going to be a great game........good beer drinking game!!

it will have playoff intensity... no doubt.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Well, I heard Bryan Cox call them the "Kansas City Midgets", Because they are so small on D, so I'am hoping that that will help our Offensive line out. On defense I hopeing we Blitz the hell out of Green and Finally see Ware start making Havoc in the Backfield. Also there is no denying that KC is a Horrible road team, so we'll see!.

 

[superpunk]

That may be the record for most excuses for a poor defensive performance I've ever heard in a single post. Kudos.

As far as the AFC vs NFC, why don't you let us know what the head to head record is in interconference games this year. It'll be fun. It won't help your argument, though.

Hey, you want to single out the ONE game where our defense has underachieved, I'm gonna tell you why, and give you an example of another unit underachieving. It's called putting together a logical argument. You should try it some time.

I've shown you our numbers in comparison with the top defenses in the league. I've shown you how much harder the Cowboys schedule has been than those otehr top defenses. You come back with, "A great defense wouldn't allow 31 to the 49ers. Great defenses win games" Is that so? I'm guessing you consider the Bears defense great, as well as the Panthers, since you claim we're not in their class. Why couldn't the BEars defense WIN THE GAME against Washington opening day? My, how could the Bears defense blow that late game lead to the BROWNS? Or wow, how could Carolina allow 29 to Green Bay? Or lose to Miami and New Orleans, allowing 20 points to each of those teams????? Do you see how faulty your little arguments are? Look at the facts. Our defense is just as good as Chicago's, or Carolina's.

 

[Chief3188]

Well, I heard Bryan Cox call them the "Kansas City Midgets", Because they are so small on D, so I'am hoping that that will help our Offensive line out. On defense I hopeing we Blitz the hell out of Green and Finally see Ware start making Havoc in the Backfield. Also there is no denying that KC is a Horrible road team, so we'll see!.

Yes KC is such a horrible road team that they are 3-3 on the road -- That is horrific - its almost like having a losing record on the road it stinks so bad --- Where are you getting your facts from there buddy ???

 

[WoodysGirl]

That may be the record for most excuses for a poor defensive performance I've ever heard in a single post. Kudos.

As far as the AFC vs NFC, why don't you let us know what the head to head record is in interconference games this year. It'll be fun. It won't help your argument, though.

Most folks tend to skim over my posts. I'm just a lowly girl , but I wanted to point that I answered this particular question earlier in this thread...

Source: NFL.com

In head to head play the conferences are at 24-24

In looking at these stats:

AFC east - three teams under .500
AFC north - two teams under .500
AFC south - two teams under .500
AFC west - one team under .500

AFC 8 teams under .500

NFC east - one team under .500 and one at .500
NFC north - two teams under .500
NFC south - one team under .500
NFC west - 3 teams under .500

NFC 7-16 teams under .500 w/1 at .500

I'd say looking at these numbers, both conferences have their share of middle of the pack teams w/only Indy qualifying as an elite team.

 

[Bizwah]

I'm not "blaming your defense" for anything. I'm simply saying that teams with great defenses don't give up 31 points to San Francisco. (That's more than the Chiefs have given up in any game this year.) They also don't have 7-5 records in a weak conference. Great defenses find ways to win games with turnovers and defensive scores. Good defenses keep the game close and hope the offense doesn't blow the game.

And "great" offenses don't put up three points vs the Bills.

I'm still amazed that fans of opposing teams still look at that game and point to it saying, "You're defense can't be all that great if they gave up 31 to the Niners."

Look at the body of work.......We played the NFL's number one offense three weeks in a row, and shut them down. First, it was the Eagles, then it was the Giants, then it was the Seahawks. Our defense has been consistently good all year.

And the Niner game....Yes, we stunk it up the first half that game. The defense allowed 17 points. But we tightened the second half, only allowing a TD. We slept throught the first half.....we had just come off a terrible loss to the Skins (curse the name) on Monday night.

Now, I'm not ready to claim this defense as "great" yet. But we certainly aren't poor....we're downright good. And the scary part? We're starting two rookies on defense (three last week) and three others are first time starters. On top of all that, this is our first time in a 3-4 scheme.

Not bad, for all the newness (yes, not a good word...but it's appropriate).

And, you can call these excuses....but the title of the thread implies an explaination....I've provided one the best I can.

 

[KoRn_BoYz_5]

Is this BB not used to long threads filled with intelligent football discussion?

it stoped being intelligent when you cheif fans said LJ was gonna run on us...HA.....morons

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Conversely, you gave up more points to the 49ers than the Chiefs have given up to anyone all year.

look at what our D has done since the '9er game, and remember, that was back in week 3, and we were still learning the 3-4, and still are actually...

 

[brokeback]

Well, I heard Bryan Cox call them the "Kansas City Midgets", Because they are so small on D, so I'am hoping that that will help our Offensive line out. On defense I hopeing we Blitz the hell out of Green and Finally see Ware start making Havoc in the Backfield. Also there is no denying that KC is a Horrible road team, so we'll see!.

Kansas City is .500 on the road this year. That's better than most teams in the NFL. I guess there is denying it. Feel free to blitz Green all day. You won't get past the 3 Probowlers on our offensive line. Roaf's been back for 2 games. Green's been sacked once in that span. We've put up 102 points in our last 3 games. You've scored 116 in your last 6 games. That's not gonna cut it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

our D is the one that broke PLummer's consecutive passes w/o an INT streak

if I were you, I'd be a least bit worried about our D

 

[brokeback]

Hey, you want to single out the ONE game where our defense has underachieved, I'm gonna tell you why, and give you an example of another unit underachieving. It's called putting together a logical argument. You should try it some time.

I've shown you our numbers in comparison with the top defenses in the league. I've shown you how much harder the Cowboys schedule has been than those otehr top defenses. You come back with, "A great defense wouldn't allow 31 to the 49ers. Great defenses win games" Is that so? I'm guessing you consider the Bears defense great, as well as the Panthers, since you claim we're not in their class. Why couldn't the BEars defense WIN THE GAME against Washington opening day? My, how could the Bears defense blow that late game lead to the BROWNS? Or wow, how could Carolina allow 29 to Green Bay? Or lose to Miami and New Orleans, allowing 20 points to each of those teams????? Do you see how faulty your little arguments are? Look at the facts. Our defense is just as good as Chicago's, or Carolina's.

The Bears and Panthers lead their respective divisions and have been carried by their defenses. I never said that a great defense wins EVERY game, but they carry their teams to win most of their games, especially down the stretch. Your defense is not great. Quit pouting. It's a good defense. It's a B-level defense. It's not in the top 10% of the NFL, though. I'm sorry. If you think Dallas's defense is good as Chicago's, you're a homer. It's nothing personal. You just aren't capable of evaluating talent properly.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I thought a top-5 D, was an A-level D? and we're 6th in scoring D, isn't that A-level?

that's also a top 10 percentile buddy...which you said we're not

so who can't evaluate talent properly? much less gather, and compute stats?

 

[brokeback]

And "great" offenses don't put up three points vs the Bills.

I'm still amazed that fans of opposing teams still look at that game and point to it saying, "You're defense can't be all that great if they gave up 31 to the Niners."

Look at the body of work.......We played the NFL's number one offense three weeks in a row, and shut them down. First, it was the Eagles, then it was the Giants, then it was the Seahawks. Our defense has been consistently good all year.

And the Niner game....Yes, we stunk it up the first half that game. The defense allowed 17 points. But we tightened the second half, only allowing a TD. We slept throught the first half.....we had just come off a terrible loss to the Skins (curse the name) on Monday night.

Now, I'm not ready to claim this defense as "great" yet. But we certainly aren't poor....we're downright good. And the scary part? We're starting two rookies on defense (three last week) and three others are first time starters. On top of all that, this is our first time in a 3-4 scheme.

Not bad, for all the newness (yes, not a good word...but it's appropriate).

And, you can call these excuses....but the title of the thread implies an explaination....I've provided one the best I can.

You just agreed with what I've been saying about the Dallas D. They're good. No doubt about it. They aren't great. Is it possible that they may improve to a great defense and carry your team deep into the playoffs? Sure. I don't see it happening, but it's not an outlandish concept.
As for the Chiefs offense, I never claimed it was great. It was great for the last 3 years and has really fallen off this year. Now that we're healthy, it's really looking good. If it continues to put up the numbers it has the last 3 games, it will be remembered as a great offense. Right now, though, our offense can only be classified as a good offense that has played great for 3 consecutive games. That's how I would answer a thread asking how we only scored 3 points at Buffalo and 10 at Denver. Yes we had a lot of injuries on the offensive line, but we have not been an elite offense for most of the season. That said, we've scored 20 or more points in 10 of our 12 games, and 26 or more in 8. We've been pretty damned good on offense this year, just not great.

 

[brokeback]

I thought a top-5 D, was an A-level D? and we're 6th in scoring D, isn't that A-level?

that's also a top 10 percentile buddy...which you said we're not

so who can't evaluate talent properly? much less gather, and compute stats?

I guess I was wrong. 6th in scoring defense does put you in the top 10% of the NFL. I must not have noticed that the NFL just added 28 new teams. Otherwise you're just really bad at math and don't realize that 6th puts you at about the 20th percentile.