Why did you guys give up over 100 yards rushing the last two games?

[WoodysGirl]

The Bears and Panthers lead their respective divisions and have been carried by their defenses. I never said that a great defense wins EVERY game, but they carry their teams to win most of their games, especially down the stretch. Your defense is not great. Quit pouting. It's a good defense. It's a B-level defense. It's not in the top 10% of the NFL, though. I'm sorry. If you think Dallas's defense is good as Chicago's, you're a homer. It's nothing personal. You just aren't capable of evaluating talent properly.

Top 10% would mean they are 1-3. I don't think anyone has said that. Also I don't believe anyone in this thread has said our D is as good as Chicago. What Chicago is doing w/o any kind of offense is nothing short of amazing.

However, by most accounts, the D is ranked in the Top 10 in every conceivable defensive category with the lowest being 10 and the highest 4th. Hell Aikman's Efficiency rating have them at 3. This is not even being homeristic, our D is just that good.

I respect KC's offense, but they're not unstoppable. The Bills game proved that. I think they'll score some points, but they won't be running up and down the field on our D.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Top 10% would mean they are 1-3. I don't think anyone has said that. Also I don't believe anyone in this thread has said our D is as good as Chicago. What Chicago is doing w/o any kind of offense is nothing short of amazing.

However, by most accounts, the D is ranked in the Top 10 in every conceivable defensive category with the lowest being 10 and the highest 4th. Hell Aikman's Efficiency rating have them at 3. This is not even being homeristic, our D is just that good.

I respect KC's offense, but they're not unstoppable. The Bills game proved that. I think they'll score some points, but they won't be running up and down the field on our D.

what she said

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I guess I was wrong. 6th in scoring defense does put you in the top 10% of the NFL. I must not have noticed that the NFL just added 28 new teams. Otherwise you're just really bad at math and don't realize that 6th puts you at about the 20th percentile.

math isn't my strong suit, but 20th percentile is better than what? 80th percentile...the Chief's D

 

[brokeback]

Top 10% would mean they are 1-3. I don't think anyone has said that. Also I don't believe anyone in this thread has said our D is as good as Chicago. What Chicago is doing w/o any kind of offense is nothing short of amazing.

However, by most accounts, the D is ranked in the Top 10 in every conceivable defensive category with the lowest being 10 and the highest 4th. Hell Aikman's Efficiency rating have them at 3. This is not even being homeristic, our D is just that good.

I respect KC's offense, but they're not unstoppable. The Bills game proved that. I think they'll score some points, but they won't be running up and down the field on our D.

I quote people in my posts. Your members have said the Cowboys D is as good as the Bears D and that it's in the top 10% of the league.
I agree with your numbers regarding the Cowboys defense as it relates to the rest of the league. It's a good defense. It's 6th in scoring and in yards allowed. That's not greatness. There are only 3 or 4 great defenses in the NFL tops, maybe not even that many. Sixth in a field of 32 is good. It's not greatness, though.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

dude, you're nit-picking, which basically means you're arguing just for the sake of arguing

the Bears have a great D, and the Cowboys have a great D

the Bears just happen to have a greater defense

a great D, is one that will face an offense, no matter how powerful they are, and limit them, to a far lesser output, than what is their norm, consistently, and that's what we get with the Dallas D

 

[WoodysGirl]

I quote people in my posts. Your members have said the Cowboys D is as good as the Bears D and that it's in the top 10% of the league.
I agree with your numbers regarding the Cowboys defense as it relates to the rest of the league. It's a good defense. It's 6th in scoring and in yards allowed. That's not greatness. There are only 3 or 4 great defenses in the NFL tops, maybe not even that many. Sixth in a field of 32 is good. It's not greatness, though.

I have to believe when 10% is posted it is meant as Top 10, not as it relates to a specific percentile. And I think you really are trying too hard to break down the numbers to make you're argument. I've yet to see someone make an argument on a football board stating percentages versus actual numbers as it relates to standings.

As for your 3 or 4 "great" defenses, who do you consider them to be outside of Chicago? I'm not asking from a homer perspective... If you posted them in before, I missed it. Long a** thread, ya know.

Greatness is relative, ya know... All defenses have warts, it's just how u overcome them. Ours just happens to be our offense.

 

[brokeback]

math isn't my strong suit, but 20th percentile is better than what? 80th percentile...the Chief's D

If you're admittedly not good at math, it's bad form to use it to ridicule someone who is.
That's a terrific straw man you created to argue against. Nobody is claiming that the Chiefs have a better defense than the Cowboys. We have a mediocre defense that is rapidly improving. Our offense can score in a hurry. Chiefs games tend to have a lot of plays run. This tends to skew the number of yards we gain on offense and give up on defense. Fortunately, we create a lot of turnovers and are starting to get healthy and improve on both sides of the ball at the right time, hence the 3 game winning streak. Our Special Teams are as good as you'll find. The Cowboys, conversely, are finding ways to lose games lately. You've got a good defense and a mediocre at best offense that can score but has also given up some scores. Your special teams blow. This adds up to a pretty average team. You might sneak into the playoffs. You might finish 8-8. You've got 7 turds on your schedule that aid your cause.

 

[brokeback]

dude, you're nit-picking, which basically means you're arguing just for the sake of arguing

the Bears have a great D, and the Cowboys have a great D

the Bears just happen to have a greater defense

a great D, is one that will face an offense, no matter how powerful they are, and limit them, to a far lesser output, than what is their norm, consistently, and that's what we get with the Dallas D

You've just described a good defense. A great defense is one that can overcome even a terrible offense and will their team to victory. Chicago has far less talent on offense than you. They've got 8 straight wins. They play a cupcake schedule, but that offense has no business winning more than 4 games this year. However, their defense is great. That means they do more than simply slow down the opponents offenses. They force turnovers. They beat up offenses. They score points. They give their own anemic offense great field position. If they were merely a good or even very good defense, they would be 5-7, 6-6, or possibly even 7-5. The Bears would be nowhere near 9-3 with the Cowboy defense, though.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The Bears would be nowhere near 9-3 with the Cowboy defense, though.

please, don't bring conjecture into an argument with me, stick with the facts

so we're "merely" a good defense?

top 5 in total D, and top 6 in scoring D, and you can't even give our D, the "very good" label

 

[jspchief]

I'm not even going to pretend that I think your defense isn't good. They are very good. Your success against the top tier RBs you've faced is very impressive. It does seem like you're vulnerable to pass catching TEs, but that's about it.

Should be a fun game.

 

[brokeback]

please, don't bring conjecture into an argument with me, stick with the facts

so we're "merely" a good defense?

top 5 in total D, and top 6 in scoring D, and you can't even give our D, the "very good" label

You're 6th in both categories. You're good. I'll say you're very good if it will bring a smile to your face, but color me unimpressed with your results against AFC teams so far.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

top-6, and we're just "good"? and we've shutdown better offenses than you, and we're just "good"?

whatever, I don't care what you think, say or do frankly

cuz when we beat you, I won't have to see your nit-picking arse here anymore lmao!

 

[Smith22]

Too many pissing contests going on in this thread, but I'll throw in my 2 cents and leave it at that.

IMO, we are an above average defense that is player or 2 away from being a great defense. Fujita has been a weakness (since Singleton went down), although his play improved last week. My other complaints would be FS (Davis) and ILB (Shanle). On the other hand, guys like Ware, Ellis, James (huge improvement this year in his game), TNew, Henry, Canty, Glover and A. Glenn have carried this team. Add a ballhawk at FS and a pass rushing threat who can handle the run opposite of Ware and this defense will not only keep us in games, but win them more often than not.

The keys to the Chiefs game all starts with Larry Johnson. Contain him and I'm more than confident our secondary can handle the Chiefs passing game. IF we struggle containing Johnson early, then Gonzo could cause us major problems in the middle of the field. Of course, our offense has to improve from last week's lousy effort, and they should be able to do that against a soft Chiefs defense, scoring in the 17-21 point range. As always, we can't afford to turn the ball over, but even moreso this week against an offense that can score points in bunches.

 

[brokeback]

top-6, and we're just "good"?

whatever, I don't care what you think, say or do frankly

cuz when we beat you, I won't have to see your nit-picking arse here anymore lmao!

I just said you were very good. If the Chiefs lose, I'll come back briefly to take my lumps.

 

[WoodysGirl]

You're 6th in both categories. You're good. I'll say you're very good if it will bring a smile to your face, but color me unimpressed with your results against AFC teams so far.

Your basing your opinion on 3 games out of 12? U really need to open your eyes to the complete body of work...

AFC is not the class of the NFL anymore, so you should probably re-think your position on it's dominance.

 

[brokeback]

Too many pissing contests going on in this thread, but I'll throw in my 2 cents and leave it at that.

IMO, we are an above average defense that is player or 2 away from being a great defense. Fujita has been a weakness (since Singleton went down), although his play improved last week. My other complaints would be FS (Davis) and ILB (Shanle). On the other hand, guys like Ware, Ellis, James (huge improvement this year in his game), TNew, Henry, Canty, Glover and A. Glenn have carried this team. Add a ballhawk at FS and a pass rushing threat who can handle the run opposite of Ware and this defense will not only keep us in games, but win them more often than not.

The keys to the Chiefs game all starts with Larry Johnson. Contain him and I'm more than confident our secondary can handle the Chiefs passing game. IF we struggle containing Johnson early, then Gonzo could cause us major problems in the middle of the field. Of course, our offense has to improve from last week's lousy effort, and they should be able to do that against a soft Chiefs defense, scoring in the 17-21 point range. As always, we can't afford to turn the ball over, but even moreso this week against an offense that can score points in bunches.

Holy crap! An accurate analysis by an informed fan. Do you feel as lonely on this board as I do?

 

[WoodysGirl]

Too many pissing contests going on in this thread

agreed. But they're so fun to read...

 

[Smith22]

You're 6th in both categories. You're good. I'll say you're very good if it will bring a smile to your face, but color me unimpressed with your results against AFC teams so far.

7 of Denver's pts came from an AWFUL Bledsoe INT that was run back for 7 and our kicker missed a chip shot FG to boot or we win that game.

The win against the Chargers was ugly on defense, but keep in mind we were in our FIRST week of a BRAND NEW defensive scheme with plenty of new guys in the lineup (Ware, Henry, James, Canty, etc...).

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Holy crap! An accurate analysis by an informed fan. Do you feel as lonely on this board as I do?

how was my analysis, "inaccurate"? and how am I, "uninformed"? I have the stats right in front of me

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I just said you were very good. If the Chiefs lose, I'll come back briefly to take my lumps.

might as well start taking your lumps now