Why do many on this board want Kellen Moore fired?

[AsthmaField]

Moore is good and I don’t want him gone. I do think he could use a little guidance on a few things, but he’s innovative, creative, and does a lot of things that I like.

My main complaint about him is not enough play action passing. That is very difficult on the defense and I feel like they’re missing some chances by not running that enough.

An offensive coordinator will never do things exactly as the fan base wants though. Fans will always have complaints… both justified and unjustified.

Overall however, he is really good and will be interviewed for head coaching jobs (again).

 

[RonnieT24]

I think Moore being a left over from the Garrett era is a main reason people go after Moore. Hell Cowboys are about as balanced an offense as can be, Cowboys have thrown it 477 and ran it 472

Yeah but how balanced would they be if you took away the 5 Cooper Rush games? My guess is with Dak under center we're probably looking at more of a 60/40 split. Maybe 55/45. But I don't have the energy to look it up right now.

 

[Grenic]

Fired no, but if he gets a chance to go somewhere else, don't try and keep him

 

[Big D]

I can't speak for others but I can certainly tell you why I personally want him gone.. It really comes down to one thing. Lack of feel for the game. "Yards are yards.." You remember that statement? When Moore tried to tell us that there is no difference between a 4 yard pass and a 4 yard run? That was the moment when I knew for sure that he doesn't get football and never will. It's not that he's a bad OC.. in fact he's a very good one overall. But I think the supreme talent of some of our players mask a lot of his deficiencies. We have a running play from shotgun that pulls the backside tackle across the formation and asks the running back to wait for that tackle to get to the hold before he hits it. At least 90% of the time when we run that play the backside defender just follows the backside tackle straight to the hole and the play is either blown up for a loss or at best Zeke and TP struggle ahead for a minimal gain. Every once in a while that backside DE will NOT follow the tackle and that tackle gets into the hole with a head of steam and blasts the linebacker out of the hole for a big gain. And that one big gain makes everybody forget the other 9 times the play got blown up.

Then there is the RIDICULOUS frequency with which we break the huddle in empty formation in the red zone. With one of the best short yardage runners in history in our backfield our go to is 5 wide empty backfield.

And last but not least.. his unwillingness to exploit favorable matchups on the reg. CeeDee had 100 yards and a TD at halftime.. and we barely looked in his direction in the second half. Moore seems to view the players as interchangeable chess pieces instead of taking their varied skillsets into account. I think this team has amazing offensive talent which a better OC would get even more out of it than we're even getting right now. I think that becomes even more important come playoff time.

Situational awareness for me. The offense is good but seems to be clueless in certain situations. Jimmy Johnson said the same thing that Kellen tends to get cute in those situations.

 

[RonnieT24]

i agree with most of that but CD was covered by 2-3 players in the 2nd half and that why Gallup, Furgeson, pollard and TY made soem big plays..it happens a team adjusts and takes away a player that burning them big time and its great that we had other make them pay.

No doubt.. but that illustrates the problem to me. I don't think you should let teams just scheme you away from using your best weapon. I think you need to adjust what you're doing to make sure they can't. Put him on the move.. line him up in the backfield.. Whatever it takes to get him the ball .. get him the ball.. I do think having Hilton on the other side is going to create some serious opportunities for CeeDee.. because it's going to be VERY difficult to shade safety help over top of Lamb with that guy over there. And if you have to keep safety help over top of both of them the running game and the middle of the field passing game should eat all day.

 

[kskboys]

This one is simple.
If the Cowboys don't win the Super Bowl, the blame appears to be destined to fall on one of two people:

Kellen Moore, or Dak Prescott.

Dak's adherents are merely doing some preventative maintenance ahead of time by complaining ad nauseum about Moore all year. Then when the bottom falls out, they are already ahead of the blame game. It's positioning. Nothing more, nothing less.

Nope. Jerry Jones for not understanding the DT position and the enormous impact it has in the playoffs. No, 3rd rounders w/ no sand in their pants is not addressing the position.

 

[kskboys]

Bottom line is that KM is simply not as good as Jethro and some think; and we deserve better.

he is inconsistent; too eager to abandon the run; stubbornly keeps calling plays that do not work; and his feel for the game is often very bad.

If Jerry had half a brain he'd talk to Kellen like this:

"Kmo, we like some of what we've seen, but you can be better. So, for now, we're going to put you down to QBs coach and hire Soandso so you can become a more proficient OC."

 

[blueblood70]

No doubt.. but that illustrates the problem to me. I don't think you should let teams just scheme you away from using your best weapon. I think you need to adjust what you're doing to make sure they can't. Put him on the move.. line him up in the backfield.. Whatever it takes to get him the ball .. get him the ball.. I do think having Hilton on the other side is going to create some serious opportunities for CeeDee.. because it's going to be VERY difficult to shade safety help over top of Lamb with that guy over there. And if you have to keep safety help over top of both of them the running game and the middle of the field passing game should eat all day.

it happens, weve seen diggs and our team take away weapons. now you want Dak forcing into double tripe converge? then Dak gets blasted instead of Moore. i get what you are saying but at times teams are able to do that and as long as our other players can make plays 1-1 that all that important.

 

[kskboys]

Moore is good and I don’t want him gone. I do think he could use a little guidance on a few things, but he’s innovative, creative, and does a lot of things that I like.

My main complaint about him is not enough play action passing. That is very difficult on the defense and I feel like they’re missing some chances by not running that enough.

An offensive coordinator will never do things exactly as the fan base wants though. Fans will always have complaints… both justified and unjustified.

Overall however, he is really good and will be interviewed for head coaching jobs (again).

Too much shotgun, too many long passes on 2nd/3rd and short, inability to call consistent well designed running plays. I like him too, just needs a little training.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah but how balanced would they be if you took away the 5 Cooper Rush games? My guess is with Dak under center we're probably looking at more of a 60/40 split. Maybe 55/45. But I don't have the energy to look it up right now.

Acutally since Dak return Dallas has ran it 306 and passed 294 times. Only games that saw more passes thrown were GB, Hou and Philly.

 

[AsthmaField]

Too much shotgun, too many long passes on 2nd/3rd and short, inability to call consistent well designed running plays. I like him too, just needs a little training.

I agree with that, in large part.

 

[Direwolf63]

Dude I can point to 50 plays if you have time. Starting with the idiotic flea flicker.. Or maybe the delay handoff where we don't block back side. The all go routes with no outlet receiver on 3rd and medium against JAX. How about the fade route forcing the receiver to look back into the sun.. And DGMS on the dropback 9 yards on first and goal with under 2 minutes in the game and you already in FG range and all you need to do is eat clock and time outs and you salt the game away. AND you have the best short yardage runner in the league in your backfield. So let's PASS cause they won't be expecting that.. You know why? Because is STOOPID that's why!

No one is questioning that MOST of the plays he calls work.. but the better the defense you face the lower that work/fail ratio is going to get. So you can't be calling plays that even bad defenses blow up when you face a good one. That's my main issue .. We have some plays that are either poorly designed or just poorly executed more often than not. And we have a ton of film on those plays by now. Watch them and either fix what's broken in the design or the execution or stop calling them. Too many of our plays require the guy with the ball to go ham to be successful.. You're not always going to be able to that on other great players.. of which there are many in this league. Sometimes the coach needs to call stuff that creates space for guys to do their thing.

50 plays? Lol. Hilarious! Thanks for proving my point

How many offensive plays have been run in the past 5 years? Thousands. Probably around 4 to 5 thousand offensive plays. 50 is the best you can do?

This is a classic case of being unable to see the forest for the trees. Or in this case the pine needles for the trees.

Look up his offensive rankings and points per game. And compare them with the rest of the league. That's all that matters

 

[Tio]

I would say it's the range of plays that go unnoticed, but are baffling. Last game......chance to place the game out of reach, given time that would be left if a TD is scored. Dak is passing inside the 10. As a result.....on 2nd down, Dak should have tossed the ball away instead of taking a sack, but that would stop clock or not render a timeout, and we loss yardage. Move the chains. The real question is "Why pass?"......in that situation.....and we just questioned that against Jax. Situational football failure burned us at Jax and could have easily done so against Philly. Eagles ended with an attempt in the Endzone that could have won the game. That's one of the main reasons why Air Coryell Jr gets questioned. Denver please call after the season!!

Actually you couldn’t be more wrong, there was 2:01 left in the game. Run or pass that clock was stopping after the play. Dak running out of bounds the play earlier and taking that sack instead of throwing it away we’re 2 monumentally dumb plays by the QB.
He had a great game but I was beyond peeved when he went out of bounds. Then he took the sack and I almost had a heart attack.

 

[RonnieT24]

Acutally since Dak return Dallas has ran it 306 and passed 294 times. Only games that saw more passes thrown were GB, Hou and Philly.

Interesting.. Though I wonder how much of that is influenced by the blowouts.. I mean I assume we spent a lot of the 4th quarter against Chicago, Minny, Indy and the Giants kind of in hand off and let's go home mode.

 

[kskboys]

50 plays? Lol. Hilarious! Thanks for proving my point

How many offensive plays have been run in the past 5 years? Thousands. Probably around 4 to 5 thousand offensive plays. 50 is the best you can do?

This is a classic case of being unable to see the forest for the trees. Or in this case the pine needles for the trees.

Look up his offensive rankings and points per game. And compare them with the rest of the league. That's all that matters

Your last line is simply inaccurate, and it keeps being proven in the playoffs. Those are important, but there is just so much more to the game than that.

Did you by any chance watch the ATL/NE super bowl? The yards/points thing failed due to gassing the D, and the inability to sustain drives and move the ball in the 4th.

 

[kskboys]

Interesting.. Though I wonder how much of that is influenced by the blowouts.. I mean I assume we spent a lot of the 4th quarter against Chicago, Minny, Indy and the Giants kind of in hand off and let's go home mode.

It's more about when we run it, and running it ineffectively. Running plays from the shotgun in large part don't work, and we do that way too much.

 

[Doomsday101]

Interesting.. Though I wonder how much of that is influenced by the blowouts.. I mean I assume we spent a lot of the 4th quarter against Chicago, Minny, Indy and the Giants kind of in hand off and let's go home mode.

Giants game would not call a blow out but yes Minn, Chi and Ind. Min we had 40 rushes vs 30 passes, Chi 29 rushes and 27 passes, indy 34 rushes to 30 passes. Moore is still being balanced, again does not mean every call he makes do I agree with but then I seldom agree with every call by any OC.

 

[Silly]

I think a lot of drives have stalled because of the play calling.

I also think he does a poor job with the game tempo and 3rd and short.

 

[Direwolf63]

Your last line is simply inaccurate, and it keeps being proven in the playoffs. Those are important, but there is just so much more to the game than that.

Did you by any chance watch the ATL/NE super bowl? The yards/points thing failed due to gassing the D, and the inability to sustain drives and move the ball in the 4th.

Ok I'm listening. I will hear your replacement.

Since Kellen Moore has been OC, the Cowboys have had the #1 offense every year except the year Dak got hurt. Every single year.
Find somebody better and give me his NFL resume showing the fact he is better. Give me that stats.

You can 't choose Andy Reid or Sean Payton because they want to be head coaches.

Who is the upgrade that will give better offensive results than we have seen? Who are they and show your work using stats

I said Moore and I gave you stats supporting my choice. I'll wait for yours. Or anybody else's for that matter

 

[john van brocklin]

Makes so sense to me. The team is averaging 36 points per game since Dak got back and he was rusty against Detroit. The team is averaging 28.1 points overall with Dak and Rush combined. I don't get it. Is he perfect. No. But you show me one OC that is. He is an excellent OC in my opinion.

Think about this. The Cowboys just dropped 40 points on a top 2 defense. Let that sink in.

I see too much of the old Garrett offense.
I would like to see the power I formation, and then play action off of that.