Why do many on this board want Kellen Moore fired?

[RonnieT24]

50 plays? Lol. Hilarious! Thanks for proving my point

How many offensive plays have been run in the past 5 years? Thousands. Probably around 4 to 5 thousand offensive plays. 50 is the best you can do?

This is a classic case of being unable to see the forest for the trees. Or in this case the pine needles for the trees.

Look up his offensive rankings and points per game. And compare them with the rest of the league. That's all that matters

Nope.. WINNING is all that matters. Statistical rankings are nice but if you can't do it when you absolutely NEED to do it all the fluffy stats in the world don't amount to a hill o beans. We saw it with Romo and Garrett for many years and we are seeing some of it with Dak and Moore. Light up chumps but get bottled up by good teams. That's why Saturday was so encouraging. One of the best defenses in the league had no answer for Dak and the passing game even while winning the line of scrimmage, stopping the running game and getting constant pressure. They still gave up 350 passing yards and 40 points. Who you credit for that depends on how you feel about the guys.. Moore or Dak? Logic says it was probably 50/50. But since when have fans been logical. I will need to see us light up a few more playoff defenses like this before I back off my "I want Moore gone" stance.

Oh and I was talking about 50 plays THIS YEAR!!!

 

[DallasEast]

Makes so sense to me. The team is averaging 36 points per game since Dak got back and he was rusty against Detroit. The team is averaging 28.1 points overall with Dak and Rush combined. I don't get it. Is he perfect. No. But you show me one OC that is. He is an excellent OC in my opinion.

Think about this. The Cowboys just dropped 40 points on a top 2 defense. Let that sink in.

I do not want Jerry Jones to fire Kellen Moore. I want Boise State to offer him the head coaching position and that he will accept the opportunity.

But Jones should fire him if that Cinderella dream does not come true, yes.

 

[Direwolf63]

People should pay attention to fans of other teams. Every fanbase whines and moans about their teams playcalling. Everybody is an expert except being paid to actually do the job.

This is a league wide phenomenon

 

[Direwolf63]

Nope.. WINNING is all that matters. Statistical rankings are nice but if you can't do it when you absolutely NEED to do it all the fluffy stats in the world don't amount to a hill o beans. We saw it with Romo and Garrett for many years and we are seeing some of it with Dak and Moore. Light up chumps but get bottled up by good teams. That's why Saturday was so encouraging. One of the best defenses in the league had no answer for Dak and the passing game even while winning the line of scrimmage, stopping the running game and getting constant pressure. They still gave up 350 passing yards and 40 points. Who you credit for that depends on how you feel about the guys.. Moore or Dak? Logic says it was probably 50/50. But since when have fans been logical. I will need to see us light up a few more playoff defenses like this before I back off my "I want Moore gone" stance.

Oh and I was talking about 50 plays THIS YEAR!!!

Who is better? And prove it with his NFL resume? Who is this upgrade? Who will make this offense more productive? Where is he? Show me stats

 

[Direwolf63]

I do not want Jerry Jones to fire Kellen Moore. I want Boise State to offer him the head coaching position and that he will accept the opportunity.

But Jones should fire him if that Cinderella dream does not come true, yes.

If Moore leaves, he leaves. That's the NFL

But I guarantee you almost anyone who replaces him will be a downgrade. It's tough to improve on 35 points a game, which is what the offense is doing since Dak returned.

If Moore leaves it will likely be McCarthy who takes over. And he was practically run out of Green Bay. For several reasons. But one of them was playcalling, as Aaron Rodgers would attest to.

 

[KJJ]

Just a couple of years ago there were threads asking how many want Kellen Moore as the Cowboys next HC. There were a number of fans on board with it. Lol

 

[DallasEast]

But I guarantee you almost anyone who replaces him will be a downgrade.

...but there is a greater than 0% chance that another offensive coordinator is as good or better than Moore, correct? Preferably, a candidate who may have more coaching experience?

 

[Direwolf63]

Josh Allen has had some struggles this year. He has fallen off the MVP race.

If you talk to Bills fans (and I've have a couple of friends who are), they will tell you it's because Daball left for New York and his replacement (whose name escapes me) is incapable of walking and chewing gum at the same time. And tha some with an IQ of 60can call plays better than him.

Like I said, everybody thinks they are an expert except those being paid to do it

 

[RonnieT24]

If Moore leaves, he leaves. That's the NFL

But I guarantee you almost anyone who replaces him will be a downgrade. It's tough to improve on 35 points a game, which is what the offense is doing since Dak returned.

If Moore leaves it will likely be McCarthy who takes over. And he was practically run out of Green Bay. For several reasons. But one of them was playcalling, as Aaron Rodgers would attest to.

I think McCarthy will be an upgrade. If for no other reason than I believe he has a better feel for the game than Moore does. I think he would be better at attacking matchups and more importantly his "automatics" will be different .. You know the ones that defenders keep telling us is completely predictable.

 

[Direwolf63]

...but there is a greater than 0% chance that another offensive coordinator is as good or better than Moore, correct? Preferably, a candidate who may have more coaching experience?

If I'm playing poker and I think I have a 2 percent chance of winning, I fold my hand. I don't go all in unless I'm bluffing. There is no bluffing in the NFL.

Moore has been OC for 5 years and QB coach 2 or 3 years before then. How much experience does somebody need to improve the results we have seen

 

[Pantone282C]

I can't speak for others but I can certainly tell you why I personally want him gone.. It really comes down to one thing. Lack of feel for the game. "Yards are yards.." You remember that statement? When Moore tried to tell us that there is no difference between a 4 yard pass and a 4 yard run? That was the moment when I knew for sure that he doesn't get football and never will. It's not that he's a bad OC.. in fact he's a very good one overall. But I think the supreme talent of some of our players mask a lot of his deficiencies. We have a running play from shotgun that pulls the backside tackle across the formation and asks the running back to wait for that tackle to get to the hold before he hits it. At least 90% of the time when we run that play the backside defender just follows the backside tackle straight to the hole and the play is either blown up for a loss or at best Zeke and TP struggle ahead for a minimal gain. Every once in a while that backside DE will NOT follow the tackle and that tackle gets into the hole with a head of steam and blasts the linebacker out of the hole for a big gain. And that one big gain makes everybody forget the other 9 times the play got blown up.

Then there is the RIDICULOUS frequency with which we break the huddle in empty formation in the red zone. With one of the best short yardage runners in history in our backfield our go to is 5 wide empty backfield.

And last but not least.. his unwillingness to exploit favorable matchups on the reg. CeeDee had 100 yards and a TD at halftime.. and we barely looked in his direction in the second half. Moore seems to view the players as interchangeable chess pieces instead of taking their varied skillsets into account. I think this team has amazing offensive talent which a better OC would get even more out of it than we're even getting right now. I think that becomes even more important come playoff time.

Absolutely agree with your assessment. He can create some amazing plays, but misses some of the finer points of the game. Situational awareness just seems to get ignored. The running game is hit or miss especially against a stacked box. Some of the WR quick outs are a bit predictable, and running plays are unimaginable at times. He wants to abandon it too often.

 

[BigBlacKahuna]

Just stop getting cute with the damn ball. I haven't seen one of "trick" plays gain any yards. We more often lose yardage. Just line up and go.

 

[Direwolf63]

I think McCarthy will be an upgrade. If for no other reason than I believe he has a better feel for the game than Moore does. I think he would be better at attacking matchups and more importantly his "automatics" will be different .. You know the ones that defenders keep telling us is completely predictable.

Maybe. But again, Rodgers ran him out of Green Bay mainly due to playcalling. So I don't see evidense of improvement. All I see is an unsubstatiated opinion.

I will guarantee you something else, if McCarthy does take over next year, the whining moaning and *****ing will be just as bad as n6ow, if not worse. Some whining today will even want Moore back.

That will be fun

 

[DUO_CORE]

I'd like to see him use Turpin on a non-gadget play. Line him up on an option route and let him use his speed and quickness to separate and get open. If he can't, back to special teams only.

 

[Cmac]

Actually you couldn’t be more wrong, there was 2:01 left in the game. Run or pass that clock was stopping after the play. Dak running out of bounds the play earlier and taking that sack instead of throwing it away we’re 2 monumentally dumb plays by the QB.
He had a great game but I was beyond peeved when he went out of bounds. Then he took the sack and I almost had a heart attack.

You're exactly right, Dak didn't do the right thing with running out of bounds or taking the sack.......but I ask......Why are we passing on 2nd down for Dak to make another hair-raising decision? So, Dak doesn't go unscathed, but if the "teacher" is doing questionable things, the "student" is more inclined to do the same.

 

[DandyDon52]

This. But I do think he's getting better as he gains experience.

OC in training ? We had a HC in training too.

 

[DandyDon52]

Makes so sense to me. The team is averaging 36 points per game since Dak got back and he was rusty against Detroit. The team is averaging 28.1 points overall with Dak and Rush combined. I don't get it. Is he perfect. No. But you show me one OC that is. He is an excellent OC in my opinion.

Think about this. The Cowboys just dropped 40 points on a top 2 defense. Let that sink in.

watch the kurt warner study ball vids on dallas.

 

[DallasEast]

If I'm playing poker and I think I have a 2 percent chance of winning, I fold my hand. I don't go all in unless I'm bluffing. There is no bluffing in the NFL.

Moore has been OC for 5 years and QB coach 2 or 3 years before then. How much experience does somebody need to improve the results we have seen

This entire conversation is purely based on what members would want. Kellen Moore's continued employment depends entirely upon Jerry Jones' whims. Nothing will be gained or lost by any member objecting to another member's opinion about the offensive coordinator's position. Or agreed upon for that matter.

 

[pancakeman]

I suspect the fans of almost every decently talented team likewise feel their playcaller is below par. We expect that every play should work, and when some don't we assume the play design/call is likely at fault. But in addition to execution required of our players, there is of course another team that is also putting their talent and strategy to stopping us.
The majority of fans feel like nearly every play should work, but that's just not realistic. Similar to how the majority of fans feel like an elite quarterback should be accurate on every throw.
That doesn't keep me from joining the chorus complaining about some of Moore's tendencies. But it is good to remind myself that there is always another professional football team going all in on stopping the success of mine, so we won't win them all.

 

[Pantone282C]

This entire conversation is purely based on what members would want. Kellen Moore's continued employment depends entirely upon Jerry Jones' whims. Nothing will be gained or lost by any member objecting to another member's opinion about the offensive coordinator's position. Or agreed upon for that matter.

Oh rats. I was so hoping he would listen to us rant.