Why do some here want to trade Diggs?

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Does he make business decisions ? Yes
Is he a great cover guy? Yes
Good ball skills? Yes Yes
Should he be traded? This isn't even a question for real fans. You don't trade away that kind of talent at a premier position.
Why would you say that he's a great cover guy? Seems to be the opposite.
 

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I’m not in the “Diggs has to be traded” camp, but do believe they need to be open to moving on from someone. Dak, Diggs, lamb, and parsons are all ready to make record money at their positions this offseason and next. In theory the cowboys have enough money to pay them all, but we get stuck in the same cycle of always having a tight cap and never participating in free agency.

Moving a guy like diggs in theory could net you a first round pick, maybe more, and clear up $25M in future cap space you could use to sign other players.

Not sure they have to move diggs, but it becomes very tempting when thinking about the possible return.
If Diggs will bring a 1st +, I'd have to listen to the offer.
 

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Trading Diggs just sets you back to the point of needing a pro bowl caliber CB... Diggs is the kind of player who can help you get to a Super Bowl, so trading him wouldn't be wise unless you got another player worth trading him for, which I haven't seen a scenario posted that suggests it would be a good idea.

People are sour on him over his tackling, and I kind of see their point. But he gives you too much in coverage to just bounce him off the team.
Paying him a ton sets you back even more.
 

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so if we trade diggs then what?

youre looking at Joseph as CB1 and Isreal at CB2 and Bland as slot corner

and this will be mixed up this will just be where theyre slotted

we dont persue in free agency
Exactly. They're too weak at the position and they're not going to use the money saved to upgrade it in free agency anyways.
 

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If Diggs will bring a 1st +, I'd have to listen to the offer.
My thoughts exactly. I doubt he gets you a Ramsey type of return of 2 1st and a 4th (I think?), but should his value really be that far off of what Ramsey got? Feels to me that a 1st + maybe a 4th sounds about right. In that case it's hard not to entertain the idea.
 

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My thoughts exactly. I doubt he gets you a Ramsey type of return of 2 1st and a 4th (I think?), but should his value really be that far off of what Ramsey got? Feels to me that a 1st + maybe a 4th sounds about right. In that case it's hard not to entertain the idea.
Agree. Diggs is a great ballhawking CB w/ deficiencies in coverage. I'd much rather have the type CB who sticks to the WRs hip pocket like glue. Why? Because deficiencies in coverage generally rear up to bite you in the playoffs. And they often bite you hard.
 

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Is it because he didnt get int''s like he did previous year?
Or is it because of some missed tackles?
Isnt he still a good cover guy?
It is because this is when you trade a player like him and get maximum value for him. Before he is due big money and at the prime of his career.

Not after he has been paid, has shown the entire league his ceiling and everyone knows you want to move him. See Amari.

I would be fine trading him (if we get good value) or keeping him.
 

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I believe it would have to do with his Olé approach to tackling
 

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Is it because he didnt get int''s like he did previous year?
Or is it because of some missed tackles?
Isnt he still a good cover guy?
Diggs is a very very good CB

He is unwilling to tackle
He thinks he’s the best and he isn’t. He’s not Deion. He will want to be paid 22+ million/y next year and he’s not worth it

Once he is paid he will be untradeable because if the cap hit
In the next off season we will either have to tag him or sign him to a huge contract or release him. His trade value will be much lower.

This draft is loaded with very good CBs

This is the best time to trade him for a rd 1 pick and take CB with that

Now you have saved the 22 million you were going to pay him and with those we can sign Hargrave, Hankins and LVE

In essence we traded Diggs for

Rd 1 pick + Hargrave + Hankins + LVE

I think it is pretty straightforward
 

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It's simple to understand. He will demand to be the highest paid CB in the NFL. It isn't that he has played poorly but he has backed off his aggressive style and is not the playmaker he was as a rookie. It appears he knows he is already in line for a huge payday so he decided to play off and not bite on double moves and get burnt. This means he isn't in position to make big plays anymore. He also appears to have adopted a Dieon Sanders like approach to tackling. He doesn't want to get hurt and jeopardize his payday so he feels its up to the bigger guys to make the tackles. This in no way means he isn't still a very good player worth having but it does raise the debate of if he is good enough to warrant being the highest paid CB in the league. There is an argument to be made on both sides and it's not hating on the player to think it's best to get high draft capital for him and save those cap dollars because it's very likely he will not return to form after getting paid. He likely will only do enough to continue to get his money because that appears to be his highest motivation. Once he gets it and has the team trapped for 3-4 years, who knows how much more he will back off. The only way I would ever set the market for a player is if they have the desire to be the best at their position and have not backed off one bit towards that goal. If it is apparent that money is the motivator, I would let someone else deal with that and get the most I can for him while his value is still high. A team can still win without Diggs at CB. Of course, Dallas will have to replace him but will have extra draft capital and cap space to do it. This is a tough one for me. I like Diggs a lot and I won't be upset if they sign him but it also won't upset me if they decide to trade him as long as they get real value for him.
 

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why? Because he selfishly chose HIMSELF over the team by not tackling. Screw him.
 

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It's simple to understand. He will demand to be the highest paid CB in the NFL. It isn't that he has played poorly but he has backed off his aggressive style and is not the playmaker he was as a rookie. It appears he knows he is already in line for a huge payday so he decided to play off and not bite on double moves and get burnt. This means he isn't in position to make big plays anymore. He also appears to have adopted a Dieon Sanders like approach to tackling. He doesn't want to get hurt and jeopardize his payday so he feels its up to the bigger guys to make the tackles. This in no way means he isn't still a very good player worth having but it does raise the debate of if he is good enough to warrant being the highest paid CB in the league. There is an argument to be made on both sides and it's not hating on the player to think it's best to get high draft capital for him and save those cap dollars because it's very likely he will not return to form after getting paid. He likely will only do enough to continue to get his money because that appears to be his highest motivation. Once he gets it and has the team trapped for 3-4 years, who knows how much more he will back off. The only way I would ever set the market for a player is if they have the desire to be the best at their position and have not backed off one bit towards that goal. If it is apparent that money is the motivator, I would let someone else deal with that and get the most I can for him while his value is still high. A team can still win without Diggs at CB. Of course, Dallas will have to replace him but will have extra draft capital and cap space to do it. This is a tough one for me. I like Diggs a lot and I won't be upset if they sign him but it also won't upset me if they decide to trade him as long as they get real value for him.
Well said. I also like Diggs, I just don't like him for 20 mil. We'd be better off building up the Dfront and start focusing on CB's who can mirror instead of tall guys. The Nashon Wright pick still hurts, as well as the Kelvin pick, of course. We simply cannot continue to make moronic picks like that.
 

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Does he make business decisions ? Yes
Is he a great cover guy? Yes
Good ball skills? Yes Yes
Should he be traded? This isn't even a question for real fans. You don't trade away that kind of talent at a premier position.
Yes
No. Good? Yes. You can't be great lining up 10 yards off every play.
Sure. Too bad he is never in position to use them anymore because he is always 10 yards off when the ball is snapped.
It absolutely is a question to be debated. He will once again be a player demanding to set the market while only being a top 10 type player at his position. Thats a recipe for disaster. If you can get solid play from a rookie or a cheaper free agent and pay 2-3 other solid starters which makes the defense as a whole better, then trading him would be a smart move.
 
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