Why do we NEVER throw DEEP?

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aikemirv;3135459 said:
I don't think we can consistently protect Romo long enough to go deep.

This is exactly why I believe we don't go deep. I don't think they have any faith in our O-Line to protect Romo long enough for any of that stuff to work and frankly I don't blame them there. Our O-Line does well to give him time to do what they do now.
 

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BraveHeartFan;3135514 said:
This is exactly why I believe we don't go deep. I don't think they have any faith in our O-Line to protect Romo long enough for any of that stuff to work and frankly I don't blame them there. Our O-Line does well to give him time to do what they do now.
Maybe a designed roll out and a fake run to the opposite side? Who knows?
 

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btcutter;3135486 said:
Agree and sometimes the WR doesn't HAVE to be open for you to throw that deep ball. Your WR needs to fight for it and may get a PI. It also helps to keep the D honest and open up intermediate routes and runs as the Safeties have to play deep instead of cheating up.

If Austin or Roy Williams is in one-on-one coverage deep, they're open.

I think Roy is being misused in that regard. The guy is an athlete. He hasn't been able to even scratch the surface with us.

As physical as Austin can be, he hasn't been able show much of it as of late.

It's funny, he was only a deep threat at one point but now it's all intermediate stuff...
 

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kidcrook;3135545 said:
If Austin or Roy Williams is in one-on-one coverage deep, they're open.

I think Roy is being misused in that regard. The guy is an athlete. He hasn't been able to even scratch the surface with us.

As physical as Austin can be, he hasn't been able show much of it as of late.

It's funny, he was only a deep threat at one point but now it's all intermediate stuff...

This Sunday against SD. I want Dallas to throw deep when RW or Austin is lined up again Jammer but not Cromartie. Jammer is physical and will draw flags from the official.
If I get single coverage with RW and esp. Austin against Jammer without safety help or safety is on the other side. I am going deep!!!!!!!!!
 

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Because Garrett is holding back the offense until late in the season.
 

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Hypnotoad;3135446 said:
We dont like punting on first down
I know what you are saying.

I don't have a problem with the lack of deep passes. We did that a lot with Owens last year and punted too much.
 

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btcutter;3135568 said:
This Sunday against SD. I want Dallas to throw deep when RW or Austin is lined up again Jammer but not Cromartie. Jammer is physical and will draw flags from the official.
If I get single coverage with RW and esp. Austin against Jammer without safety help or safety is on the other side. I am going deep!!!!!!!!!
I was encouraged by the manner in which Roy Williams appeared to be more physical last week. It was as physical as I have ever seen him play as a Cowboy. Jammer will get in his face, but Cromartie is much more finesse. It could be interesting.
 

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btcutter;3135568 said:
This Sunday against SD. I want Dallas to throw deep when RW or Austin is lined up again Jammer but not Cromartie. Jammer is physical and will draw flags from the official.
If I get single coverage with RW and esp. Austin against Jammer without safety help or safety is on the other side. I am going deep!!!!!!!!!

Jammer and RW know each other very, very well so that might not be the best battle to test.
 

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Romo has very good skill in many areas but his deep passes are not his strength.

He does go deep on occasion but we hit a very low percentage of them.

He missed a wide open RW deep last week.

The offense as a whole is better with higher percentage stuff. We need our playmakers to make plays: Felix/Austin/RW/Bennett/Witten. If they are open at 8 yards they can get you 40.
 

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Except for a gadget play here or there in the endzone we never run play action. How on Earth with this running game were not running play action at least once a half is beyond me but it is what it is.
 

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Because there was a time that we did it to much and it was very unsuccessful (For the most part) and when we fail in an area of play the coaches get gun shy. Right now the O-line has Romo running for his life which to me has always been the case. Teams around the league are figuring this out and blitzing the Cowboys has become the new trend. Hopefully this coaching staff finds an answer soon....
 

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Bombs are usually thrown from play action to hold the safeties and slow the pass rush. We hardly ever use play action when we pass.
 

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btcutter;3135423 said:
When was the last time we saw a "BOMB" from this offense? The last one I remember was the ill advised throw by Romo against G men in week 2.

Why don't we throw deep to keep the D honest or get a PI call???? At least once/game. Watch GB must throw deep 3-4 x per game and gets 1-2 PI calls.

I am talking about deep balls traveling 40-50 yds in the air. Not one of those RAC things.

I understand that if there's double coverage or deep help don't throw it but GJ should be able to design 1 or 2 plays to dictate single coverage on a WR to go deep.

As we play better teams, they will start squeezing the zone and prevent even intermediate routes as well.

JVita17;3135442 said:
We dont ever seem to play to win.

reddyuta;3135443 said:
i think Jason garret has been scarred by last years performance.

What in the hell are you three talking about? Do you have anything to back up your opinions or are you just posting to see how many will respond to opinions with no facts to back them up?
 

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Because 95% of our passes are from the exact same spot in the pocket. They know where TR will be standing exactly. So all week they run their schemes and practices so the rush ends up at that spot. So we never have time to run a fulll route even if we wanted.MIX IN SOME BOOTLEGS AND ROLL OUTS!@!!
Tony won the job because he could move and adlib. When he is out of the pocket he is deadly. Tony is not Troy let him out of the pocket. Make the defense have to respect that he might run. It would also slow down their bull rush and respect that he wont be standing in the EXACT spot every play.
 

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Joe Realist;3135502 said:
Personally, I want to see a flea-flicker to Austin
A flea flicker is long overdue. I don't know if Garrett even has it in the playbook since it is predecated on run and overreacting to playaction. I guess it is hard to do from the shotgun.
 

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btcutter;3135423 said:
When was the last time we saw a "BOMB" from this offense? The last one I remember was the ill advised throw by Romo against G men in week 2.

Why don't we throw deep to keep the D honest or get a PI call???? At least once/game. Watch GB must throw deep 3-4 x per game and gets 1-2 PI calls.

I am talking about deep balls traveling 40-50 yds in the air. Not one of those RAC things.

I understand that if there's double coverage or deep help don't throw it but GJ should be able to design 1 or 2 plays to dictate single coverage on a WR to go deep.

As we play better teams, they will start squeezing the zone and prevent even intermediate routes as well.

First off, if you go look up any individual QB's stats, you'll see there arnt alot of attempts league wide that go over 40-50 yds in the air.

Second, in examining Romo's numbers on passes over 21yds, he just isnt very good at it. He's 6/17 on passes on 21-30 yds and only 2/13, with a 19.1 QB rating on passes over 31 yds.

That said, we still lead the league in completions of 40+ yds, and are tied for 3rd in completions over 20 yds. So tghere's really no reason to be bellyaching.
 

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I think that the lack of deep passes are a blessing in some ways.Here are a few of them.

Romo hasn't forced any throws downfield lately. (See Giants Game Week 1)

The offensive line is not consistent enough in their protection to allow those routes to develop,lack of protection can result in bad things happening.

I don't think I want this team to get back into a vertical first mentality,for whatever reason if they throw one deep ball they will throw 10 in a game.


Craig
 

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Future;3135470 said:
It doesn't take a seven step drop to throw a 40 or 50 yard fly route. As big and fast as Austin is, he should be able to get a step on most corners and RW can win a lot of jump balls.

If it so simple why don't we do it every other play? Just have Austin run down the field 50 yards have Romo throw it = TD. We could but up 70-80 points a game. Have you called the coaches yet and let them in on your plan? The other half of the plays we can hand it off to Jones. Maybe we could break 100 against SD.
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SilverStarCowboy;3135521 said:
Hmmm, a legitimate question without a legitimate answer?

What was the legitimate question? Maybe I missed it.
 
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