Why not sign Lawrence to a long term deal?

[diefree666]

we will have a lot more cap space in 2019 so that would work out as regards Lawrence. IF he shows he can hold up this year and continue his production. With that in mind I agree with the tag if we cannot get a good deal done this year

 

[blueblood70]

He had one great year in a contract year.
He has a bad back
He was suspended.

There is risk. They are looking for confirmation that last year was no fluke before writing the big checks.

Ditto. He needs one more prove it year. Jj would never hear the end of it should he blow this one.

 

[charron]

No reason to do a long term deal yet. Sure it could lower the cap hit this year but so what? If we wanted to we could easily restructure some contracts, cut a couple guys and free up 30+ million in cap room. If they aren't going to spend it now, why do we need to tie up tank long term. Might as well see if he can stay healthy cause you know he will most likely get hirt or have a down year and need surgery like he has done twice now.

 

[Verdict]

Just doing a thought experiment here...

Why don't we sign Lawrence to a JPP type contract this year?
Why tie up our cap this year for 17 million plus a big contract next year along with a huge sum of more guaranteed money?
JPP signed a 4 year 62 w 40 million guaranteed.
Lawrence is only 24 and his best years are ahead of him, we had him at a very reasonable cost for the past four seasons.
Maybe I'm being naive and it will cost a boat load more than the JPP deal, but I don't like throwing 17 million away on a one year deal which doesn't give the team any benefit of resigning the player.

Because it takes two to tango. There is no meeting of the minds so far, hence no long term deal.

 

[Aviano90]

The only benefit of not signing Lawrence to a long term deal right now is if Lawrence falls of the map or gets injured next year. His talent will probably not diminish that quickly but injury is a concern. Odds are greater he gets injured sometime over the course of the next few years than it is specifically next year alone. That's a captain obvious statement, but if injury is such a concern, the most likely outcome is that he remains healthy next year, earns a big contract heading into 2019 and then the chance of injury increases since he will be on a multi-year deal. The problem with injury after 2018 is the $17 million franchise tag will not count towards the contract guarantees and the Cowboys will have to wait longer to get out of the big contract. You also have the risk you're paying out more if Lawrence performs as well or better than he did in 2017, which we hope he will.

If by chance Lawrence does fall off the map next year and Dallas was saved by using the franchise tag, then we're still faced with either not having a good pass rusher or by overpaying a dreaded free agent to replace him, which the same risks would then apply to the new free agent.

Sign the dude to a long term contract already. The risk will never go away.

 

[zrinkill]

Same people calling for the Cowboys to sign him to a long term deal are the ones who would be calling them idiots if they did that, and he went back to being average or injured.

 

[Verdict]

Just doing a thought experiment here...

Why don't we sign Lawrence to a JPP type contract this year?
Why tie up our cap this year for 17 million plus a big contract next year along with a huge sum of more guaranteed money?
JPP signed a 4 year 62 w 40 million guaranteed.
Lawrence is only 24 and his best years are ahead of him, we had him at a very reasonable cost for the past four seasons.
Maybe I'm being naive and it will cost a boat load more than the JPP deal, but I don't like throwing 17 million away on a one year deal which doesn't give the team any benefit of resigning the player.

The "benefit" is that the team can walk away from him in a year under the tag. Yeah he might set the world on fire in which case we can tag and trade him. If last year was an aberration then he won't get as much next year.

 

[Verdict]

The only benefit of not signing Lawrence to a long term deal right now is if Lawrence falls of the map or gets injured next year. His talent will probably not diminish that quickly but injury is a concern. Odds are greater he gets injured sometime over the course of the next few years than it is specifically next year alone. That's a captain obvious statement, but if injury is such a concern, the most likely outcome is that he remains healthy next year, earns a big contract heading into 2019 and then the chance of injury increases since he will be on a multi-year deal. The problem with injury after 2018 is the $17 million franchise tag will not count towards the contract guarantees and the Cowboys will have to wait longer to get out of the big contract. You also have the risk you're paying out more if Lawrence performs as well or better than he did in 2017, which we hope he will.

If by chance Lawrence does fall off the map next year and Dallas was saved by using the franchise tag, then we're still faced with either not having a good pass rusher or by overpaying a dreaded free agent to replace him, which the same risks would then apply to the new free agent.

Sign the dude to a long term contract already. The risk will never go away.

You guys aren't going to like this but if we don't sign him to a long term deal this year you can probably kiss him goodbye if he had the year he had last year again this year. But then you can expect a tag and trade.

 

[Aviano90]

You guys aren't going to like this but if we don't sign him to a long term deal this year you can probably kiss him goodbye if he had the year he had last year again this year. But then you can expect a tag and trade.

Wouldn't surprise me, but then we can always fall back on the old "we have no talent" excuse for not winning anything. Garrett should remain safe that way, but at least we didn't spend any money.

 

[Nightman]

No reason to do a long term deal yet. Sure it could lower the cap hit this year but so what? If we wanted to we could easily restructure some contracts, cut a couple guys and free up 30+ million in cap room. If they aren't going to spend it now, why do we need to tie up tank long term. Might as well see if he can stay healthy cause you know he will most likely get hirt or have a down year and need surgery like he has done twice now.

It keeps him under team control for 3 reasonable priced cap years with 5 seasons to pay it off

MIA just paid Suh 3/60m
they had cap hits off 6.1m, 12.6m and 19.1m....with 9m and 14m in Dead Money... but they still saved 17m this year and 13m next year on the cap

DLaw will have cap hits of 17.1m and 20.5m this whay ........37.6m for only 2 years
DLaw's 3 year total won't even be as large as Suh's......3/51m
his cap hits would be 7m, 12m, 15m with 5m and 12m in Dead Money
The cap will go up by 50m by the time they have to pay off the last year

 

[charron]

It keeps him under team control for 3 reasonable priced cap years with 5 seasons to pay it off

MIA just paid Suh 3/60m
they had cap hits off 6.1m, 12.6m and 19.1m....with 9m and 14m in Dead Money... but they still saved 17m this year and 13m next year on the cap

DLaw will have cap hits of 17.1m and 20.5m this whay ........37.6m for only 2 years
DLaw's 3 year total won't even be as large as Suh's......3/51m
his cap hits would be 7m, 12m, 15m with 5m and 12m in Dead Money
The cap will go up by 50m by the time they have to pay off the last year

Dlaw wanted 17 million tbough. Sure if we can get a decent deal done it makes sence but if he really wants a suh type deal then no. Im not sold he will stay healthy even for a 3 year deal.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Poster: He's been injured, and has only one good year and one All Pro year, can't trust him.

Same Poster: WHY DIDNT WE SIGN SAMMY WATKINS/ALLEN ROBINSON/WILKERSON UGH OUR FRONT OFFICE SUCKS

**** gets old. Everyone wants the shiny new toy, but doesnt want to shell out for guys we know fit our scheme

 

[dallas72]

Also upset Dallas did not pony up money for oft injured WR in Watkins.

They did make a offer to Watkins

 

[jrumann59]

They did make a offer to Watkins

they evidently did not offer enough

 

[KJJ]

DLaw has only had one real good year. He’s had injury issues and hasn’t shown up until the second half of most seasons. Before we lock him up with a big contract he needs to validate last season.

 

[jrumann59]

Poster: He's been injured, and has only one good year and one All Pro year, can't trust him.

Same Poster: WHY DIDNT WE SIGN SAMMY WATKINS/ALLEN ROBINSON/WILKERSON UGH OUR FRONT OFFICE SUCKS

**** gets old. Everyone wants the shiny new toy, but doesnt want to shell out for guys we know fit our scheme

yup. Also he was 2nd rounder so guess what his contract year is most likely going to be his 3rd or 4th season. The days of signing rookies to 7 year deals are gone.

 

[jterrell]

Just doing a thought experiment here...

Why don't we sign Lawrence to a JPP type contract this year?
Why tie up our cap this year for 17 million plus a big contract next year along with a huge sum of more guaranteed money?
JPP signed a 4 year 62 w 40 million guaranteed.
Lawrence is only 24 and his best years are ahead of him, we had him at a very reasonable cost for the past four seasons.
Maybe I'm being naive and it will cost a boat load more than the JPP deal, but I don't like throwing 17 million away on a one year deal which doesn't give the team any benefit of resigning the player.

You do realize it takes 2 to do a contract right?
Why would DLaw want a JPP type deal? Is he 30? Missing fingers?
Dude led the league in sacks.
Those guys want record breaking deals.

 

[jrumann59]

DLaw has only had one real good year. He’s had injury issues and hasn’t shown up until the second half of most seasons. Before we lock him up with a big contract he needs to validate last season.

Most DEs need time, most are not like Bosa or JJ Watt.

 

[aria]

Just doing a thought experiment here...

Why don't we sign Lawrence to a JPP type contract this year?
Why tie up our cap this year for 17 million plus a big contract next year along with a huge sum of more guaranteed money?
JPP signed a 4 year 62 w 40 million guaranteed.
Lawrence is only 24 and his best years are ahead of him, we had him at a very reasonable cost for the past four seasons.
Maybe I'm being naive and it will cost a boat load more than the JPP deal, but I don't like throwing 17 million away on a one year deal which doesn't give the team any benefit of resigning the player.

Lol, “a JPP type contract”? That’s the exact reason why you DON’T sign him to a long term contract and why you should use the franchise tag. Vernon isn’t much different.

 

[KJJ]

Most DEs need time, most are not like Bosa or JJ Watt.

Most DEs arrive by at least year three. DLaw has had injury issues and went through a suspension. He’s had a couple of back surgeries. He needs to prove it another year. Would hate to see him sign a huge extension only to watch him suffer through an unproductive injury plagued 2018 season.