Why the offense probably won’t be cured by a new OC

[Whyjerry]

You forgot one key cause why this offense will probably not improve . Our QB..

Man when are you guys going to admit you were wrong on Dak. That guy played his tail off down the stretch. Best player on the field vs the Rams.

 

[conner01]

didn't we use to complain that Garrett threw the ball too much?

People

I took the complaints to be about throwing at the wrong times. My point isn’t that we shouldn’t be a run dominant team, but that we should be more than just that.

I heard Troy Aikman say in an interview today something that made a lot of sense. Those 90s teams didn’t throw a lot but when they did, it was aggressive. Taking chances at the right time is good offense. Think about what Norv Turner did in that 92 NFC championship game when we were backed up inside the 20 and SF had all the momentum. On first down, Troy threw that slant to Alvin Harper for like 70 yards. Garrett would have called a conservative run there. That’s what being aggressive is all about.

I think once we got cooper it got better
I do like taking a deep shot fairly often and we have the guys for it
I also hate running when there is 8 in the box

 

[Philmonroe]

Man when are you guys going to admit you were wrong on Dak. That guy played his tail off down the stretch. Best player on the field vs the Rams.

You can't admit what isn't true. That's your version of true. Others disagree. Playing your tail off taking up most of the clock being down by 2 scores? That's why we can't have honest discussions on this guy because running down the clock yourself isn't playing your tail off no matter how you want to spin it

 

[CowboyRoy]

Hate to say it my fellow Cowboys fans but hoping we get a new OC that will make our offense more like the other successful NFL offenses like the rams, saints or chiefs is probably not going to happen.

Why?

1. Because the offensive woes are a philosophical problem that originates with the head coach.
Garrett is a conservative head coach who will NEVER coach any other way. He won’t hire an OC who wants to “open things up” offensively because that’s not Garrett. He likes to play a certain way- specifically run the ball, get the lead, control the clock, take few chances, and trust your defense to hold on or your offense to simply dominate TOP. Being offensively aggressive is not in his nature.

2. Because this team is invested to run the ball.
There are 4 first round picks in the last 7 drafts that are directly tied to having a dominant running game. Having Zeke and 3 first round OL is great except for the fact that that style of football requires your OL to physically dominate opponents, which is extremely difficult in a league where being physically dominant to win is very difficult to maintain an entire season. The NFL is a league where winning in the playoffs requires you to be able to score in different ways- by both the run and pass.

3. Because if Garrett only has one year to turn this around, he wants to do it “his way”.
Doing it “his way” means Garrett won’t trust hiring some OC that doesn’t align to his philosophy. If Garrett’s butt is on the line, I think he will be more “Garrett-like” rather than less.

For those reasons, I think Kellen Moore is Garrett’s guy as new OC. He can control Moore easier than some new guru coming from the outside. But unfortunately I expect to see pretty much the same offense next year with perhaps a few minor wrinkles.

I sure hope I’m wrong.

All this team needs to have a top 7 offense is to get the Oline healthy.

 

[percyhoward]

I sure hope I’m wrong.

I hope we're both wrong.

Play selection on 1st & 10
Games 1-12: run 53% pass 47%
Games 13-18: run 54% pass 46%

Success rate on 1st & 10
Games 1-12
pass 45.1% run 33.1%
Games 13-18
pass 46.5% run 24.4%

 

[Diehardblues]

Man when are you guys going to admit you were wrong on Dak. That guy played his tail off down the stretch. Best player on the field vs the Rams.

Dak plays hard. He’s a Gamer and never quits. He definitely brings a winning attitude and obviously we can win some games with him. I truly like the kid. He appears to be optimizing his talent level.

He's just not a prolific NFL caliber passer and limits our play calling since he can’t make all of the throws consistently. It provides a hurdle for us to overcome as he needs elite talent surrounding him to be as effective which isn’t always possible.

Maybe he can be the Bus Driver we’ve seen other teams win with. It’s just not what I wanted or thought we’d need to be a true contender again especially with this dysfunctional organization. But there’s always the possibility the stars could align perfectly one season.

 

[CowboysExchange]

You may be right. If Garrett had his way, we would still have Linehan. But I expect to see the bright but green Kellen Moore be Garrett’s choice. Besides, what top offensive mind would want to walk into a situation where the HC has one year left on his contract?

Antonio Brown would be a perfect fit and Cooper would be a perfect #2 wr since he's not a big diva who likes to talk.

That's a #1 and #2 wr tandem that along with Zeke could accomplish what the Three amigos could. Somebody is gonna make that call Jerry. Get him before Philly or Belichek. You can bet hell have 5 offers for a job just like Garrett. Lol. You cut all the free agents Hurns, Beasely , swaim, Smith, Lee, and go all in on a top 2 wr core .

Well get another Superbowl and you'll go down in history as the best owner in NFL History.. go all in at wr and get that diva so he can get the last laugh. We want a Scoring offense that can avg 30 points also. Well get the last laugh also since beasely is likely gone and all those jersey sales. Omg . This is Daks last year and he needs another dynamic receiver like Irvin

 

[Whyjerry]

Dak plays hard. He’s a Gamer and never quits. He definitely brings a winning attitude and obviously we can win some games with him. I truly like the kid. He appears to be optimizing his talent level.

He's just not a prolific NFL caliber passer and limits our play calling since he can’t make all of the throws consistently. It provides a hurdle for us to overcome as he needs elite talent surrounding him to be as effective which isn’t always possible.

Maybe he can be the Bus Driver we’ve seen other teams win with. It’s just not what I wanted or thought we’d need to be a true contender again especially with this dysfunctional organization. But there’s always the possibility the stars could align perfectly one season.

Not a prolific NFL caliber passer? Guy has been top 5 Yards/Attempt twice in his 3 year career. He is more than a bus driver. Can he throw it like Brady - of course not. Not many can. Dak is one of the bright spots on the team. Not his fault the FO thought they could go into the season with Hurns and T Williams as number ones. Not his fault the star RB got suspended last season. Not his fault the OL has slipped and the FO hired a complete bust of an OL coach. Not his fault Jason Witten retired and they replaced him with Blake Jarwin. Not his fault the former OC has been universally panned for his predictable play calling.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

When Garrett was calling plays (before Linehan), he was anything but conservative. DAL was top 5 in passing offense. Yes, we had Romo at QB. But shows that Garrett will throw the ball.

 

[Sandyf]

Hate to say it my fellow Cowboys fans but hoping we get a new OC that will make our offense more like the other successful NFL offenses like the rams, saints or chiefs is probably not going to happen.

Why?

1. Because the offensive woes are a philosophical problem that originates with the head coach.
Garrett is a conservative head coach who will NEVER coach any other way. He won’t hire an OC who wants to “open things up” offensively because that’s not Garrett. He likes to play a certain way- specifically run the ball, get the lead, control the clock, take few chances, and trust your defense to hold on or your offense to simply dominate TOP. Being offensively aggressive is not in his nature.

2. Because this team is invested to run the ball.
There are 4 first round picks in the last 7 drafts that are directly tied to having a dominant running game. Having Zeke and 3 first round OL is great except for the fact that that style of football requires your OL to physically dominate opponents, which is extremely difficult in a league where being physically dominant to win is very difficult to maintain an entire season. The NFL is a league where winning in the playoffs requires you to be able to score in different ways- by both the run and pass.

3. Because if Garrett only has one year to turn this around, he wants to do it “his way”.
Doing it “his way” means Garrett won’t trust hiring some OC that doesn’t align to his philosophy. If Garrett’s butt is on the line, I think he will be more “Garrett-like” rather than less.

For those reasons, I think Kellen Moore is Garrett’s guy as new OC. He can control Moore easier than some new guru coming from the outside. But unfortunately I expect to see pretty much the same offense next year with perhaps a few minor wrinkles.

I sure hope I’m wrong.

Great points and much respect although I believe a bit different.
1. I think you are correct with Garrett although his best friend Linehan had a lot to do with the conservativeness of the offense and I believe the injuries did also. We did see over the last few games more chances taken by the team in general starting with the Philly game. Linehan is a good coach but today's NFL is evolving into a bit more risk taking and definitely having a HC and OC that tailor offenses to their QB something you see with the Rams, Chiefs, Patriots, and Saints. Believe you will see more as the OC and you will see more RPO every game and designed runs by the QB. Every play isn't going to work but it won't be vanilla either. Getting Frederick back is a huge key for that O line.

2. You are correct but it is also about pass protection and you can see good teams set up the run with passes and vice versa. Making the defense guess on what is happening is a huge key to a better run game and pass game. Most of us always knew when it was going to be a run play or pass play. If we knew then the defense knew, so designing plays where you run and/or pass is a key. I believe between Moore, Nussmeier, and Kitna we are going to see those things.

3. If the Jones don't extend Garrett then I really don't believe he will be the coach even this year. Sources have said Richard is going to be the DC in the next couple of weeks but if they don't extend Garrett, it might pave the way for Richard to take over as HC. Not out of the question. Those that think Jerry is going after Sean Payton are crazy and the why is the cost in dollars and draft picks. Dollars okay but picks, nope.

Should be fun to watch.

 

[75boyz]

Dak plays hard. He’s a Gamer and never quits. He definitely brings a winning attitude and obviously we can win some games with him. I truly like the kid. He appears to be optimizing his talent level.

He's just not a prolific NFL caliber passer and limits our play calling since he can’t make all of the throws consistently. It provides a hurdle for us to overcome as he needs elite talent surrounding him to be as effective which isn’t always possible.



Maybe he can be the Bus Driver we’ve seen other teams win with. It’s just not what I wanted or thought we’d need to be a true contender again especially with this dysfunctional organization. But there’s always the possibility the stars could align perfectly one season.

I share this opinion. Really well written. I have also been waiting on the one Cinderella Season or Our Year type of lucky scenario where all the balls, seem to bounce our way.
If I were building the team though, I would go for drafting a gifted consistent passer whose passing skills match NFL consistency and accuracy standards and go from there. Just seems that's the general direction and plan that the consistently successful pro teams are utilizing these days, especially with all the rule changes favoring the offenses.

 

[Diehardblues]

Not a prolific NFL caliber passer? Guy has been top 5 Yards/Attempt twice in his 3 year career. He is more than a bus driver. Can he throw it like Brady - of course not. Not many can. Dak is one of the bright spots on the team. Not his fault the FO thought they could go into the season with Hurns and T Williams as number ones. Not his fault the star RB got suspended last season. Not his fault the OL has slipped and the FO hired a complete bust of an OL coach. Not his fault Jason Witten retired and they replaced him with Blake Jarwin. Not his fault the former OC has been universally panned for his predictable play calling.

Then explain why Dak has been ranked mostly below average in passing stats. With his strong finish he actually pulled himself up to 15th ranked but was 20ish for most of the season.

More excuses. Dak needs so much elite around him.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

 

[Future]

I took the complaints to be about throwing at the wrong times. My point isn’t that we shouldn’t be a run dominant team, but that we should be more than just that.

Bingo.

Turns out that, in all reality, that it meant we threw too much (though I think Tony probably gets some credit for that too), but the root cause was that JG had absolutely no feel for establishing a run game. Now, he's gone the complete opposite way. I completely agree that this will still be JG's offense next year if they hire internally, and we'll see more of the same. Linehan is the scapegoat (seems like JG finds a new one every year), but this is JG's offense, and it always has been.

 

[Diehardblues]

Bingo.

Turns out that, in all reality, that it meant we threw too much (though I think Tony probably gets some credit for that too), but the root cause was that JG had absolutely no feel for establishing a run game. Now, he's gone the complete opposite way. I completely agree that this will still be JG's offense next year if they hire internally, and we'll see more of the same. Linehan is the scapegoat (seems like JG finds a new one every year), but this is JG's offense, and it always has been.

Correct!

And an offense that was top ten most years with Romo. Now it’s a bottom tier (22nd) offense with Dak.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...8&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=2&role=TM

 

[Future]

Correct!

And an offense that was top ten most years with Romo. Now it’s a bottom tier offense with Dak.

The offense is exactly what the Cowboys want.

The problem is that it doesn't work without a great defense.

 

[Diehardblues]

The offense is exactly what the Cowboys want.

The problem is that it doesn't work without a great defense.

I wouldn’t say it’s exactly what they want if it’s only averaging 21 points a game. Ranked 22nd

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...8&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=2&role=TM

 

[Doomsday101]

Hate to say it my fellow Cowboys fans but hoping we get a new OC that will make our offense more like the other successful NFL offenses like the rams, saints or chiefs is probably not going to happen.

Why?

1. Because the offensive woes are a philosophical problem that originates with the head coach.
Garrett is a conservative head coach who will NEVER coach any other way. He won’t hire an OC who wants to “open things up” offensively because that’s not Garrett. He likes to play a certain way- specifically run the ball, get the lead, control the clock, take few chances, and trust your defense to hold on or your offense to simply dominate TOP. Being offensively aggressive is not in his nature.

2. Because this team is invested to run the ball.
There are 4 first round picks in the last 7 drafts that are directly tied to having a dominant running game. Having Zeke and 3 first round OL is great except for the fact that that style of football requires your OL to physically dominate opponents, which is extremely difficult in a league where being physically dominant to win is very difficult to maintain an entire season. The NFL is a league where winning in the playoffs requires you to be able to score in different ways- by both the run and pass.

3. Because if Garrett only has one year to turn this around, he wants to do it “his way”.
Doing it “his way” means Garrett won’t trust hiring some OC that doesn’t align to his philosophy. If Garrett’s butt is on the line, I think he will be more “Garrett-like” rather than less.

For those reasons, I think Kellen Moore is Garrett’s guy as new OC. He can control Moore easier than some new guru coming from the outside. But unfortunately I expect to see pretty much the same offense next year with perhaps a few minor wrinkles.

I sure hope I’m wrong.

Dallas wants a balanced attack but I do expect them to focus a bit more in improving the passing attack. hell the 2 teams in the SB run the ball more than Dallas and you can throw New Orleans in there as well who also avg more rushing attempts than Dallas, matter of fact we throw the ball more than New Orleans. it is a matter of executing the passing game better than we have.

 

[silvrNblue]

I don’t think it’s about balance as much as the ability for teams like the Rams and Chiefs to scheme guys open, or scheme to exploit things they see on film. Look at what LA did to us. They had an approach for our DL alignment with interior running as well as our LBs with that jet sweep. We never come up with anything outside of a random play here and there.

You couldn't be more right.... let me remind folks of 2016... where did THAT offensive game scheming go? Granted, it was our rookie QB's 1st season, so one would think, hey were onto something here and EXPAND on it, not regress to some sputtering half A**unimaginative predictable offense.

 

[silvrNblue]

Dallas wants a balanced attack but I do expect them to focus a bit more in improving the passing attack. hell the 2 teams in the SB run the ball more than Dallas and you can throw New Orleans in there as well who also avg more rushing attempts than Dallas, matter of fact we throw the ball more than New Orleans. it is a matter of executing the passing game better than we have.

AND an OC who will run more then loooog developing button hooks or curl route EVERY other play.

 

[silvrNblue]

He’s average passing at best. He’s the core issue of our passing attack.

What kind of Super team and coaching does he need around him?

Probably, say ohhh the one the RAM's have, or Chiefs have or Saints have or Pat's have or..... take your pick. Good grief Die, it's as if you seem to think ALL those QB's on the teams mentioned do it all on their own, no great coaching, no great play calling, game planning, no elite go out and get it receiver's.... come on man, the Dak is average has become more then just mundane, it's gotten down right ridiculous.