Will Trey Lance get significant snaps in 2023? Count me with those who think so

KingCorcoran

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I am interested in Lance as a game-day short-yardage option. I agree that if Dak were hurt, Rush would be the starter for now because our record with him supports that. But I also agree that Lance could be active on game days for a specific role that Rush cannot provide. Could be interesting.
Game day short yardage option? He will not be on the 48 man game day roster for any game. He’ll be in uniform as a QB on the 53 man roster and only could enter the game if both QBs are injured and no longer able to play. Game day short yardage option. Ridiculous.
 

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If Dak or Rush is hurt, he could suit up on game day as the #2 QB. Then there are three ways he gets in the game. First, at the end of a blowout. Second, the starter also gets injured. Third, if it's Cooper who's starting because Dak is hurt, I could actually see them building in some plays for him.
Who is he going to bump off the 48 man game day roster? He can suit up as a third quarterback, listed on the 53 man roster, but in that case both Cowboys quarterbacks would have to be injured for him to enter the game. Not likely he’ll ever be on the game day roster. Not this season, and likely never, based on what he’s shown so far. Philly is stockpiling draft picks for 2024, they now have 12, Cowboys are giving them away on a $3 million dollar a year quarterback that is never going to crack the lineup. What is the point of this transaction?
 

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Going to bed. The only substantive point that's been made to challenge the original point is that you don't want to have a 3rd QB on the gameday roster since you don't have to. And my response? I agree. But/and that just means you live with having Lance available to finish a game instead of Rush. By accepting that trade off, you enjoy the significant benefit of being able to have Lance be your short-yardage guy instead of submitting QB1 to the punishment that goes with that job... and, sure, defense has to still respect the fact that he's a legitimate QB who can complete passes.

G'nite.

And Wil Grier, I hope the team rises up in a big way for you tomorrow night and sends you out with an exceptional highlight reel. Yes, even though you're a Mountaineer, a school I've loathed virtually all of my life. :)
I believe the rule requires both quarterbacks on the game day roster actually being injured and unable to play. The rule is in case of an emergency, not a case of convenience.
 

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I hear that.


And I hear that.


I'm going with the idea that you've got Rush as the primary long-term backup if Dak's hurt for multiple games, and/but otherwise he's your #3.

Lance is a weapon. Right now. Not as a passer so much, sure, but in that specific role in short yardage, and it's a "significant" role. He's the day-of back-up, and gets the call to finish a game if it's a blow-out (...which is one way he gets more development, oh by the way... ) or if Dak's hurt.

I don't do much predicting. But I like the odds on this one. Just watched what he did versus DEN last week... you gotta use this guy.




There is a new rule that allows a non active but present 3rd quarterback on game day now.
 

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Game day short yardage option? He will not be on the 48 man game day roster for any game. He’ll be in uniform as a QB on the 53 man roster and only could enter the game if both QBs are injured and no longer able to play. Game day short yardage option. Ridiculous.
THIS. Dallas fans are the only ones obsessed with this short yardage b.s.
 

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The 49ers gave up the farm for him and gave up on him so fast for Mr. Irrelevant and Sam Darnold. Lance isn't even as good as Rush.
He asked for a trade. it could be he just sucks but the more I am hearing about Shanahan's system he has his system and it is very regimented. It could be a round peg square hole thing too.

I really do not know but he sucks is only one possibility among many as to why he was let go.
 

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Tony Romo never threw a single NFL regular season pass during the first three years of his career. He had the good fortune of being that rare developmental project that was actually given the opportunity and time to be developed.

Tony Romo was worth it and we were reminded of that for three preseasons. It was Tony's ability to escape and make plays that kept him on the payroll. Of course the rest is history.

I bring this up because I believe that if Tony was a great developmental player, just imagine what the Cowboys could do with a guy that was almost 6'4 and 225 LBS, fast, with a strong arm. That is, if they truly took the time to develop him.

That has rarely been done, despite all the times we hear about QB's that were "a project" or "developmental". The majority of them get rushed into service before they are ready.

A quarterback that doesn't throw a single pass in his first two seasons......since 1970 that has been done only four times.......and by two coaches each doing it twice.......Since one of these QB's was Tony Romo, we know the name of one coach. Which other QB did Parcells develop that never threw a pass in his first two seasons? That would be Jeff Hostetler.

Hostetler was the Giants 3rd round pick in the 1884 draft. He was also the starting QB for the 1990 Super Bowl champion Giants.

And the other coach to actually develop his quarterbacks? That would be Tom Landry. Gary Hogeboom did not throw a single pass in his first two seasons. I admit that I am cheating, ever so slightly when I mention Steve Pelluer. He came into game #15 and game #16 of his 2nd season toward the end of the 4th quarter and threw a combined 8 passes.

So here is my point. Don't play Trey Lance this season. Develop him because that is what he needs. He only played in 17 college games and had no business being out there on the field after Garoppolo got hurt. It was just another case of a so-called developmental player not developed enough. He did show flashes. He is a very shifty runner and he can put some speed and distance on this throws.

One of the most important elements of confidence is being prepared for what to expect on the field. That will take some time for Trey Lance. However, just like Tony Romo, perhaps even more, it will be worth it.
 

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Who is he going to bump off the 48 man game day roster? He can suit up as a third quarterback, listed on the 53 man roster, but in that case both Cowboys quarterbacks would have to be injured for him to enter the game. Not likely he’ll ever be on the game day roster. Not this season, and likely never, based on what he’s shown so far. Philly is stockpiling draft picks for 2024, they now have 12, Cowboys are giving them away on a $3 million dollar a year quarterback that is never going to crack the lineup. What is the point of this transaction?
Did you read what I wrote? The entire premise was that he only suits up if we already have an injured QB.
 

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Speculation on my part, but seems to me we should look for Lance to get some short yardage duty with regularity.

And too, I think this probably makes certain that McKeon makes the team, and will line-up with some regularity as a backfield blocker.
well, in order for that to happen, he has to beat out rush to QB2. otherwise his role would be emergency QB on game day. not sure if he can play if he is the emergency QB
 

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Some of you guys might hate me for saying this but here goes…..this is how I see things play out with this new QB addition of yours…

I interpret Dallas trading for Lance in this regard....

Your boy Dak is now under a huge microscope...his job as Dallas QB is no longer a given. He led the league in interceptions last year, and he even missed 5 games, and two years in a row he has laid an egg in the playoffs. He is not popular on Cowboys message boards and many want him gone. I think Jerry and Son are now listening. Not to mention he has some health baggage and a huge salary. If Lance is just as good and comes much cheaper, why not trade Dak and get something back And save cap space?

My forecast: I think Dak could possibly be traded at this year’s trade deadline but more likely during the off-season ESPECIALLY if he disappoints again in the playoffs. I think Dallas is high on Lance, and that is why they traded for him, and are now seeing him as the next man up should they not like what they are seeing this season from Dak. Obviously, next man up is not Cooper Rush, no disrespect Intended, because he is a very capable back up. And it goes without saying, if Dak shines and is not responsible for any playoff loss, he probably stays at the helm.

You are now officially put on notice Dak….being a Cowboy is a privilege and must be earned. We hope you become the man we are paying you to be, but are now prepared to look elsewhere. The ball is in your hands (but it’s okay to toss a stinker when you play the NY football Giants).
 

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The only way he sees snaps this season is if Dak and rush both get injured. He won’t be active he will be the “emergency QB” and can’t play unless both 2 QB’s are out.
It would only take one of those guys (Dak or Rush) getting hurt. Lance will likely be the emergence QB which is an exempted roster spot.
 

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There is a new rule that allows a non active but present 3rd quarterback on game day now.
Yes, there is.

But, as you may be aware, the rule is structured so you don't use your #3 unless you've had reason already to use your #2.

Copy and paste of the language from NFL.com:

One hour and 30 minutes prior to kickoff, each club is required to establish its Active List for the game by notifying the Referee of the players on its Inactive List for that game. Each club may also designate one emergency third quarterback from its 53-player Active/Inactive List (i.e., elevated players are not eligible for designation) who will be eligible to be activated during the game, if the club's first two quarterbacks on its game day Active List are not able to participate in the game due to injury or disqualification (activation cannot be a result of a head coach's in-game decision to remove a player from the game due to performance or conduct). If either of the injured quarterbacks is cleared by the medical staff to return to play, the emergency third quarterback must be removed from the game and is not permitted to continue to play quarterback or any other position, but is eligible to return to the game to play quarterback if another emergency third quarterback situation arises. A club is not eligible to use these procedures if it carries three quarterbacks on game day Active List.

So, to my point last night, make Rush the #3 for game day, and if Dak has to be out for multiple games, he's the starter.


Here's the breakdown of the equation, then............

Option A (conventional, NFL status quo robo-coach decision :) )
  • Cooper Rush, the better of the two, is your back-up if QB1 is out for any length of time, whether b/c of injury or the game is blow-out
  • While not your only option, QB1 represents your best go-to as a short yardage/goal line back
Option B (not-so-fast, out-of-the-box sentient coach decision :) )
  • Trey Lance, the lesser of the two but still relatively adequate, is your back-up if QB1 goes down for the current game only
  • While not your only option, Trey Lance represents your best go-to as a short yardage/goal line back
  • If QB1 is out for the next game(s), Rush is elevated to starter, while Lance remains in that very same role regardless

Advantages of Option A:
  1. If QB1 goes down, your best QB on the bench comes in, ostensibly giving you the best shot at winning the game
  2. (That's it. There is no #2.)
Disadvantages of Option A:
  1. Over the course of 17 games worth of short yardage plays in which he gets the lion's share, QB1 takes a cumulative beating, and thus, is subject to greater injury risk
  2. While Rush gives you the best chance to win a game where QB1 is injured, it's arguable whether the difference b/t Rush and Lance is the diff b/t winning and losing (... granted it's just preseason, but just last weekend, Lance effectively put SF on his shoulders and led a comeback win over DEN)
  3. To never play Lance is to never deploy a significant weapon in your arsenal--by practically anyone's assessment whether draft day or now, an exceptional, if not elite, runner
(Advantages and disadvantages of Option B are generally just the reverse of what is cited above.)

Add to this, it's plausible but not persuasive to argue that Jones, Jones, Mac and Mac Inc "came after" (think that was Lynch's term) Lance just because they saw a long-term opportunity.

Just. Only because.

I think that, rather, that's one part of it, but it's easier to think they were motivated and enthusiastic about this because there was a second part to the proposition that benefits the short-term. And that second part is what's outlined above.



That, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, is how I became convicted that this is the plan. Now, of course, I hasten to add as I often hasten to add, I'm not the kind of poster who pretends omniscience, nor the kind that considers other posters to be fools for not having reached the same conclusion I have. I could be wrong. Obviously, I don't think I will be, but if I am, I further think that it's just a matter of time before this working theory is proven to be well-grounded and correct... ie, there could be some time necessary for McC to get comfortable.



And wrapping up b/c I've really given this topic too much time already, and there's more than enough other things to give attention... neither is anyone else posting here omniscient (as far as mere mortal me would be aware). So, a big ol' "we'll just have to see" is (as usual) appropriate.
 
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Some of you guys might hate me for saying this but here goes…..this is how I see things play out with this new QB addition of yours…

I interpret Dallas trading for Lance in this regard....

Your boy Dak is now under a huge microscope...his job as Dallas QB is no longer a given. He led the league in interceptions last year, and he even missed 5 games, and two years in a row he has laid an egg in the playoffs. He is not popular on Cowboys message boards and many want him gone. I think Jerry and Son are now listening. Not to mention he has some health baggage and a huge salary. If Lance is just as good and comes much cheaper, why not trade Dak and get something back And save cap space?

My forecast: I think Dak could possibly be traded at this year’s trade deadline but more likely during the off-season ESPECIALLY if he disappoints again in the playoffs. I think Dallas is high on Lance, and that is why they traded for him, and are now seeing him as the next man up should they not like what they are seeing this season from Dak. Obviously, next man up is not Cooper Rush, no disrespect Intended, because he is a very capable back up. And it goes without saying, if Dak shines and is not responsible for any playoff loss, he probably stays at the helm.

You are now officially put on notice Dak….being a Cowboy is a privilege and must be earned. We hope you become the man we are paying you to be, but are now prepared to look elsewhere. The ball is in your hands (but it’s okay to toss a stinker when you play the NY football Giants).
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It would only take one of those guys (Dak or Rush) getting hurt. Lance will likely be the emergence QB which is an exempted roster spot.
Well they would both have to get hurt mid game. Or one of them be hurt for several games and Lance then gets put on the active roster.
 

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This trade really shut down the," Mazi is a Bust" narrative.
 

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Floaty probably has the best grasp on what's really going on with the Cowboys.
 

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Other than a Tim Tebow gimmick play or two, I don't think he'll get any playing time this year. His opportunity is next year. If Trey Lance is playing, we have some serious QB injuries.
 
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