Williams, Dallas Cowboys defensive coaches clear the air

[Bob Sacamano]

When asked by norm on the second day of the draft. He was asked if having pacman, jenkins and scandrick would possibly mean roy williams would be on the sideline on 3rd down, stewart paused and then said yes it does.

I am pretty sure if roy heard that he wasnt too thrilled, essentially he would be watching rookies play in the odd sets.

I don't take stock in much of anything Stewart says

I think he's just Wade's puppet

 

[theebs]

I don't take stock in much of anything Stewart says

I think he's just Wade's puppet

ok well that is a first. Never heard that one yet.

 

[Rampage]

wow all this from an accidental repost. It is definitely the heart of the offseason.

I wonder if Brian Stewart saying blatantly YES when asked if roy would come off the field on 3rd downs this year ticked roy off and he decided to go on the radio with irvin and then maybe has been complaining about it and ellis spoke up in his way about it?

And some people think the Roy-bashers don't exaggerate?

so our DC said he will take Roy off the field more......... how about that, adam?

 

[bbgun]

I knew Ellis wasn't doing right by going to the media w/ this

it's just Ellis talking, guess he feels that he has to say something every offseason

Are you kidding? Ellis is Roy's stalking horse.

 

[juck]

Roys a good guy who is basically a small linebacker,he cant cover and now in this day its too late for non covering safeties,they all are having troubles.

 

[theogt]

When asked by norm on the second day of the draft. He was asked if having pacman, jenkins and scandrick would possibly mean roy williams would be on the sideline on 3rd down, stewart paused and then said yes it does.

I am pretty sure if roy heard that he wasnt too thrilled, essentially he would be watching rookies play in the odd sets.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2058228&postcount=1

I recapped that interview. It's not exactly what he said. Well, he wasn't saying it as "blantantly" as that. He was referring to our ability to use more dime corner packages. We have two dime packages, one employs 3 corners and 3 safeties and the other employs 4 corners and 2 safeties.

The corner depth allows us to use the dime corner package more so than last year, when we could only use it when both Newman and Henry were healthy.

A lot of times last year, we'd use the dime safety package even when both Newman and Henry were both healthy because Roy was better in coverage than Nate Jones.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ok well that is a first. Never heard that one yet.

think about it

he says that at the draft

yet in this article, it says that they told him his involvement in the D is going to increase

I don't think he really knows what's going on

his job is basically to teach the D, anything else beyond that, I would disregard what he's saying

 

[theebs]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2058228&postcount=1

I recapped that interview. It's not exactly what he said. Well, he wasn't saying it as "blantantly" as that. He was referring to our ability to use more dime corner packages. We have two dime packages, one employs 3 corners and 3 safeties and the other employs 4 corners and 2 safeties.

The corner depth allows us to use the dime corner package more so than last year, when we could only use it when both Newman and Henry were healthy.

A lot of times last year, we'd use the dime safety package even when both Newman and Henry were both healthy because Roy was better in coverage than Nate Jones.

So all that even though he did say yes to the question. Geez man.

Your forgetting Zach thomas probably will play his lb spot in some of those sets also, I believe that is what zach will do best here. So if pacman is here and jenkins is sufficient I think they already envision him sitting out alot of obvious passing downs.

 

[theebs]

think about it

he says that at the draft

yet in this article, it says that they told him his involvement in the D is going to increase

I don't think he really knows what's going on

his job is basically to teach the D, anything else beyond that, I would disregard what he's saying

could be, I dont know. Its wades defense one way or the other. That is what he was hired here for, his expertise in Defense.

 

[AdamJT13]

so our DC said he will take Roy off the field more......... how about that, adam?

Stewart never said that. He never said he would take Roy off the field on third downs, either.

 

[AdamJT13]

he cant cover

Myth No. 11.

 

[theogt]

So all that even though he did say yes to the question. Geez man.

Well, he didn't "blatantly say yes" that Roy was coming off the field on 3rd downs. We didn't just employ dime corner packages on every 3rd down. It depended on all sorts of factors other than just the down.

Your forgetting Zach thomas probably will play his lb spot in some of those sets also, I believe that is what zach will do best here. So if pacman is here and jenkins is sufficient I think they already envision him sitting out alot of obvious passing downs.

Thomas won't replace Roy's spot at all. When Roy plays "linebacker" is the dime corner package. In that scenario he replaced Bradie and Burnett replaced Ayodele. Thomas won't be able to replace both Bradie and Ayodele. And it wouldn't make much sense to have Burnett and Thomas in there instead of Burnett and Roy.

 

[theebs]

Stewart never said that. He never said he would take Roy off the field on third downs, either.

What did he say yes to then? I am curious how you take that any other way.

If two safeties are on the field, does he stay on? When 3 safeties are on he plays that ILB spot and I have to believe zach thomas plays that spot every third down. I happen to believe zach thomas will be on the field in all passing situations because it is an area he is very skilled at, reading the offense and covering his guy.

I am not sure how you take what brian stewart said any other way, unless roy will be the ss in those sets and watkins wont be on the field. If that is the case then watkins will never play except on special teams.

 

[theebs]

Well, he didn't "blatantly say yes" that Roy was coming off the field on 3rd downs. We didn't just employ dime corner packages on every 3rd down. It depended on all sorts of factors other than just the down.

Thomas won't replace Roy's spot at all. When Roy plays "linebacker" is the dime corner package. In that scenario he replaced Bradie and Burnett replaced Ayodele. Thomas won't be able to replace both Bradie and Ayodele. And it wouldn't make much sense to have Burnett and Thomas in there instead of Burnett and Roy.

That is where I think differently, I think burnett and thomas can be on the field on 3rd downs if they anticipate being spread out. I dont see why they cant be out there together, or who knows maybe carpenter is out there.

obviously the offense dictates if they use those dime sets or the cowboy set or the traditional nickel set. If its 3rd and 2 I dont think this is an option, but on 3rd and 8 against most teams it makes the most sense to have the guys who cover out there.

 

[theogt]

What did he say yes to then? I am curious how you take that any other way.

If two safeties are on the field, does he stay on? When 3 safeties are on he plays that ILB spot and I have to believe zach thomas plays that spot every third down. I happen to believe zach thomas will be on the field in all passing situations because it is an area he is very skilled at, reading the offense and covering his guy.

I am not sure how you take what brian stewart said any other way, unless roy will be the ss in those sets and watkins wont be on the field. If that is the case then watkins will never play except on special teams.

He didn't say anything about 3rd down. It was just about employing more dime corner packages rather than dime safety packages because we actually have a competent 4th corner.

And again, Zach will not replace Roy at all in the dime safety package. He plays the other ILB position. It would be ridiculous because Roy is infinitely better in coverage than Zach Thomas.

 

[theogt]

That is where I think differently, I think burnett and thomas can be on the field on 3rd downs if they anticipate being spread out. I dont see why they cant be out there together, or who knows maybe carpenter is out there.

obviously the offense dictates if they use those dime sets or the cowboy set or the traditional nickel set. If its 3rd and 2 I dont think this is an option, but on 3rd and 8 against most teams it makes the most sense to have the guys who cover out there.

It wouldn't make sense at all. Roy is much better than Thomas in coverage. Much better.

And as far as I know, we didn't employ a single true nickel package last year. If we did this year, I'd be surprised.

 

[theebs]

He didn't say anything about 3rd down. It was just about employing more dime corner packages rather than dime safety packages because we actually have a competent 4th corner.

And again, Zach will not replace Roy at all in the dime safety package. He plays the other ILB position. It would be ridiculous because Roy is infinitely better in coverage than Zach Thomas.

norm must have been recapping talking about it as a 3rd down situation and that is what I remember.

I mean it is fairly obvious 3rd down is what is being talked about, I dont think they plan use 6 dbs on first down.

I dont know that roy will play that inside spot this year. And as far as roy being better in coverage than thomas, umm he should be, he should be light years better. Zach is pretty intelligent and I dont know that he will get beat mentally, he will get beat if he is alone with a back or a wr but that is no different than most players.

I am expecting alot of mixing and matching in august with that cowboy set and the rest of the odd sets, especially if pacman shows up and is in game shape and ready to go. Who knows how much substitution and mixing we could see.

 

[theebs]

It wouldn't make sense at all. Roy is much better than Thomas in coverage. Much better.

And as far as I know, we didn't employ a single true nickel package last year. If we did this year, I'd be surprised.

I didnt say we did. Geez. We have so much substitution and alot of depth so we dont have to. everyone that dresses on defense is good enough to play and has a role and that is a good thing. That is why we can play those odd sets that way.

 

[CATCH17]

theebs,

Wade even said last year they were going to try and do some thing on 3rd downs to put Roy in better situations.

 

[Rampage]

theebs,

Wade even said last year they were going to try and do some thing on 3rd downs to put Roy in better situations.

the bench is a start