Williams, Dallas Cowboys defensive coaches clear the air

[bbgun]

He was in meetings all year long with these coaches and waited until a few days ago to express his displeasure? Lovely.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

He was in meetings all year long with these coaches and waited until a few days ago to express his displeasure? Lovely.

he told greg ellis something last year and greg ellis brought it up this year as a way to defend him go figure....

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think I figured out what most of what Roy's problem is.

Julius is gone and all those Julius haters need a new target and Roy is it.

 

[bbgun]

I think I figured out what most of what Roy's problem is.

Julius is gone and all those Julius haters need a new target and Roy is it.

The presumption is that whoever replaces Roy will be much much better, but that's a big IF. We used to love to rag on Flo ... until we caught Torrin Tucker's act.

 

[AdamJT13]

I'm a bit surprised that one of the main tidbits of news in that article isn't being discussed more.

Roy missed 2 days of teaching sessions, as the priority was something else. Hence a sitdown was called with him (the Ellis comments were also a factor). Now on the one hand we have a person saying they aren't comfortable in the defense, and on the other we have someone skipping 2 days of teaching sessions. Oh boy!

This is interesting in itself. If Romo didn't show for 2 meetings, or if Ware didn't show for 2 meetings, I think this would be pretty big news (of course, if it got out). But expectations for Roy certainly seem to have fallen.

I think that is a confirmation sign that the football side of things isn't as high a priority as the other things. This is Roy's choice of course, and his right. His employer and Football fans might not like it, but charitable work is at least a good thing to do.

Now as a guy worried about his play on the field, and subconscious or even conscious attitude, this adds fuel to the fire that this isn't the same player of years ago.

You realize that these are informal, voluntary sessions, right? It's not uncommon for players to miss them -- some players never attend, some miss a week here or there, some miss days here and there. Romo missed two days last year -- did we hear about those? Bradie James missed four days. DeMarcus Ware missed 10 days. Anthony Henry missed 12 days. Other players missed days, too.

My guess is that because Roy missed two days right after Ellis' comments were made, the coaches wanted to make sure they weren't related. And they weren't.

 

[theogt]

He was in meetings all year long with these coaches and waited until a few days ago to express his displeasure? Lovely.

You're only about 9 months off.

 

[CATCH17]

The presumption is that whoever replaces Roy will be much much better, but that's a big IF. We used to love to rag on Flo ... until we caught Torrin Tucker's act.

Id still like to keep Roy Williams but I definetely want a discount on him from what hes getting now.

People were also mad at Flo but he had gotten pretty awful before Parcells showed up.

Bill Parcells saved Flozell Adams pro career.

 

[bbgun]

You're only about 9 months off.

Um, the coaches were in the dark nine months ago. His unhappiness is a revelation to them, hence the impromptu meeting.

 

[theogt]

Um, the coaches were in the dark nine months ago. His unhappiness is a revelation to them, hence the impromptu meeting.

He expressed some form of displeasure 9 months ago to Greg Ellis. That may or may not have resided over the course of the season. Whether or not there was any other undisclosed displeasure after the entire season had passed is unknown.

So either you're referring to the previous, 9 month old, disclosure or some other unknown disclosure.

 

[Rampage]

In our defense most of the plays being made are come from the OLB. Either DWare or Ellis more DWare than Ellis. Our defense has 6 pro bowlers on the team it is easy to overlook some one value to the team when they are not making those huge bone jarring hits that end up on SC.

it has nothing to do with big hits. how about forcing a fumble like jason hatcher did against the vikings? or getting an interception in a big moment like tnew against buffalo or washington. he didn't make big plays last season and you can't argue that.

 

[bbgun]

He expressed some form of displeasure 9 months ago to Greg Ellis. That may or may not have resided over the course of the season. Whether or not there was any other undisclosed displeasure after the entire season had passed is unknown.

So either you're referring to the previous, 9 month old, disclosure or some other unknown disclosure.

Who cares? The answer amounts to mere trivia. My original, benign, uncontroversial post stands. Every indication points to the coaches being blindsided by the Ellis quip, so they took immediate action. If you're determined to be a contrarian this weekend (and all signs point to "yes"), please do so at someone else's expense. There's more to life than snark and bile. Time to get off this merry-go-round to nowhere.

 

[theogt]

Who cares? The answer amounts to mere trivia. My original, benign, uncontroversial post stands. Every indication points to the coaches being blindsided by the Ellis quip, so they took immediate action. If you're determined to be a contrarian this weekend (and all signs point to "yes"), please do so at someone else's expense. There's more to life than snark and bile. Time to get off this merry-go-round to nowhere.

You're right. They were apparently blindsided by the Ellis quip. But that has little to do with what you said:

He was in meetings all year long with these coaches and waited until a few days ago to express his displeasure? Lovely.

There's no indication he had a problem with the system all season long. Ellis' quote was from the start of training camp. We have no idea if he has a problem with the scheme after having played in it for a full season. So the "few days ago to express his displeasure" line was incorrect, which is what I pointed out.

A simple, "You are right, I didn't realize Greg's quote came from training camp" would have sufficed.

Nothing contrarian here, just pointing out the facts.

 

[theebs]

wow all this from an accidental repost. It is definitely the heart of the offseason.

I wonder if Brian Stewart saying blatantly YES when asked if roy would come off the field on 3rd downs this year ticked roy off and he decided to go on the radio with irvin and then maybe has been complaining about it and ellis spoke up in his way about it?

 

[theogt]

wow all this from an accidental repost. It is definitely the heart of the offseason.

I wonder if Brian Stewart saying blatantly YES when asked if roy would come off the field on 3rd downs this year ticked roy off and he decided to go on the radio with irvin and then maybe has been complaining about it and ellis spoke up in his way about it?

When did he say this?

 

[theebs]

When did he say this?

When asked by norm on the second day of the draft. He was asked if having pacman, jenkins and scandrick would possibly mean roy williams would be on the sideline on 3rd down, stewart paused and then said yes it does.

I am pretty sure if roy heard that he wasnt too thrilled, essentially he would be watching rookies play in the odd sets.

 

[cowboyrock]

When did he say this?

Roy should be on the bench on first and second down too. im sorry folks but this guy cant play anymore. it's time for Jerry and the coaches to face up to it no matter how much money he makes. dont let this guy destroy another season. he's terrible.PERIOD!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I knew Ellis wasn't doing right by going to the media w/ this

it's just Ellis talking, guess he feels that he has to say something every offseason

 

[theebs]

Roy should not only be on the bench on first and second down. im sorry folks but this guy cant play anymore. it's time for Jerry and the coaches to face up to it no matter how much money he makes. dont let this guy destroy another season. he's terrible.PERIOD!

This is why these threads run so long. this is an outrageous statement.

There is no middle ground here, the people who defend him are homers and the people who point out any flaw or any possible shortcoming getting drilled with being a hater or a myth creator.

There is just no middle ground right now with roy. Hopefully in the future there will be. He is not terrible and he is not great. Somewhere in there lies these huge arguments though!

 

[Silverstar]

"With the 32nd pick in the 2009 draft the Dallas Cowboys select Myron Rolle - Florida St."

 

[AdamJT13]

Roy should be on the bench on first and second down too. im sorry folks but this guy cant play anymore. it's time for Jerry and the coaches to face up to it no matter how much money he makes. dont let this guy destroy another season. he's terrible.PERIOD!

And some people think the Roy-bashers don't exaggerate?