Williams facing hazy future - Mosley - 5/24/08

[Goldenrichards83]

Well, I'm not sure I recall all that quite as vividly as you apparently do. Maybe his 2005 was a bit more than decent. What was it, 2.5 sacks and 3 INTs? 69 solos. Pretty darn good but great? We might have different ideas about what constitutes great.

In 2005, he became the first defensive back this decade to have at least three interceptions, 2.5 sacks and three forced fumbles in the same season (not to mention his game-winning touchdown, his fumble recovery, the fact that most of his turnovers came in close games against playoff teams and the fact that five of his six forced turnovers either gave the Cowboys a touchdown, gave the Cowboys the ball inside the opponent's 15-yard line or stopped the opponent inside Dallas' 15(per Adamjt13)

I call that great.

 

[Cowboyz88]

In breaking down the film, he's done a lot more good than bad," Stewart said. "He's very capable of doing everything we ask him to do. I believe he had 100 tackles, and that's a busy guy. If we can get him to stop horse-collaring guys, I think he's very, very capable of playing at a high level in our system."

Thank you Stew. Many(including myself) have been saying this for quite some time now but we are labeled Roy apologist.

No, you guys are called apologists because you guys are so hell-bent on finding a kernel of praise in regards to Roy which you then use to justify your pro-Roy stance and then pass off as gospel. Geez man, the article was 80% critical of Roy (which isn't good), but you manage to find one of the few positive things, then act as if you've "won."

When it comes to Roy, you guys seem to lose even the most basic of rational thought. Mosley clearly paints a picture of Roy's miniscule mental make-up when he, much like a 4-year old would do, told the reporter to stay off the play because HE PICKED AGAINST THE COWBOYS?!?!?!!

THIS is the guy that you guys want to defend? Of all the Cowboys, Roy is the horse you want to pick in the race?

Then somehow, you use this quote from Stewart as if it's law?

Dude, Roy freaked out when a reporter picked against the Cowboys, so wouldn't it be plausible that he'd flat our lose his freaking mind if he knew a coach said a bad word about him????

But, you go ahead — as you (and a few others) always do — and pretend all is well in Roy's world. Meanwhile, us in the real world will wait for the day that he is no longer a Cowboy while cheering on other players who are actually worthy of their praise and pay.

 

[MONT17]

BP said it best when talking about Roy... Parcells said he thinks Roy "wants" to be a great player!


Roy had some great games and some Good seasons... His pick 6 v. the skins b4 halftime his rookie year was a thing of beauty! All players lose skill level... he is just fading quicker than others!

...nothing wrong with that!

 

[Mr Cowboy]

In 2005, he became the first defensive back this decade to have at least three interceptions, 2.5 sacks and three forced fumbles in the same season (not to mention his game-winning touchdown, his fumble recovery, the fact that most of his turnovers came in close games against playoff teams and the fact that five of his six forced turnovers either gave the Cowboys a touchdown, gave the Cowboys the ball inside the opponent's 15-yard line or stopped the opponent inside Dallas' 15(per Adamjt13)

I call that great.

This is amazing, considering that he never blitzes...........but how many sacks, forced fumbles and interceptions does he have since?

If you apologists can't see how far Roy has fallen, you guys need to take those colored glasses off.

There has been so many articles and reports from folks who are closer to the team and the NFL, critical of Roy, and all are written by biased idiots. Yet these same writers write something positive about other players on the team, and they are geniuses.

But defend away.......

 

[bbgun]

It's the same like Toomer's TD in the playoff game. Anthony Henry was covering and both Henry and Ellis missed tackles, but whom did the camera pan to and who got blamed? Roy Williams.

So now the cameramen are out to get him? Talk about runaway paranoia. Unless Aikman or Buck had something negative to say about him after that play (why would they?), this wasn't worth mentioning. In fact, it smacks of desperation.

 

[DallasFanSince86]

In breaking down the film, he's done a lot more good than bad," Stewart said. "He's very capable of doing everything we ask him to do. I believe he had 100 tackles, and that's a busy guy. If we can get him to stop horse-collaring guys, I think he's very, very capable of playing at a high level in our system."

Thank you Stew. Many(including myself) have been saying this for quite some time now but we are labeled Roy apologist.

Agreed.

 

[DallasFanSince86]

No, you guys are called apologists because you guys are so hell-bent on finding a kernel of praise in regards to Roy which you then use to justify your pro-Roy stance and then pass off as gospel. Geez man, the article was 80% critical of Roy (which isn't good), but you manage to find one of the few positive things, then act as if you've "won."

When it comes to Roy, you guys seem to lose even the most basic of rational thought. Mosley clearly paints a picture of Roy's miniscule mental make-up when he, much like a 4-year old would do, told the reporter to stay off the play because HE PICKED AGAINST THE COWBOYS?!?!?!!

THIS is the guy that you guys want to defend? Of all the Cowboys, Roy is the horse you want to pick in the race?

Then somehow, you use this quote from Stewart as if it's law?

Dude, Roy freaked out when a reporter picked against the Cowboys, so wouldn't it be plausible that he'd flat our lose his freaking mind if he knew a coach said a bad word about him????

But, you go ahead — as you (and a few others) always do — and pretend all is well in Roy's world. Meanwhile, us in the real world will wait for the day that he is no longer a Cowboy while cheering on other players who are actually worthy of their praise and pay.

 

[Rampage]

No matter what Roy did after the home opener against the Skins in 2005 he wasn't going to get a pass. Santana Moss owned him bro. Not once, but twice. In the end he was seen as the reason we lost that game.

He did bounce back to have a very good season, but that game was a killer.

he was giving or supposed to be giving deep help. i know on 1 of the moss tds he was looking at the other side of the field and blew his coverage. prove me wrong Adam i dare you.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

To play at a high level in the NFL takes intelligence.

This article confirmed what has long been suspected and was highlighted when Roy said he didn't know how to read until the 12th grade. He's just not an intelligent player and to top that off he doesn't seem to try very hard to overcome his limitations with a lot of hard work and study.

Bad combination.

 

[Hostile]

It's like every writer in the DFW area feels compelled to do a Roy story since everyone else is.

There are 52 other players on this team and a lot we don't know about our Draft picks yet. Heaven forbid they actually bring us something interesting.

Between the Roy stories and the stupid paparazzi crap I am beyond fed up with the off season. I actually was excited when there was a new Pacman wrinkle a couple of days ago.

 

[Ken]

In breaking down the film, he's done a lot more good than bad," Stewart said. "He's very capable of doing everything we ask him to do. I believe he had 100 tackles, and that's a busy guy. If we can get him to stop horse-collaring guys, I think he's very, very capable of playing at a high level in our system."

Thank you Stew. Many(including myself) have been saying this for quite some time now but we are labeled Roy apologist.

Hate to break it to you, that wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement for Roy.

He makes more good than bad....gee, I would hope so.

Have we really set the bar this low for this guy?

 

[TheSkaven]

I still don't get why we don't give Roy a try at linebacker. He seems born to play that position. In the 3-4 system, the linebackers really have an opportunity to shoot through those gaps and make some plays.

And I don't get why the Cowboys would cut Roy after this season when they could trade him. Maybe it's a moot point.

One thing is clear. Statistics don't show the whole story (see: the "myth" thread). Just because someone puts up big numbers, it doesn't mean they're doing well. If it did, Jeff George would be one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

 

[Alexander]

It's like every writer in the DFW area feels compelled to do a Roy story since everyone else is.

There are 52 other players on this team and a lot we don't know about our Draft picks yet. Heaven forbid they actually bring us something interesting.

Between the Roy stories and the stupid paparazzi crap I am beyond fed up with the off season. I actually was excited when there was a new Pacman wrinkle a couple of days ago.

Mosley is a former DFW writer, but I don't think this classifies as another national writer looking to join in on the feeding frenzy.

He brought some interesting information to the table.

 

[Hostile]

Mosley is a former DFW writer, but I don't think this classifies as another national writer looking to join in on the feeding frenzy.

He brought some interesting information to the table.

I agree, he did, but I'm dying to have something else to talk about.

 

[FCBarca]

Just read that over at ESPN -- that's a solid article.

The OTA thing bugs -- what his teammates are saying (and I'm betting it is T-New and Bradie James) is legit -- dude, you freaking know we have OTAs this time of the year, you've got about 6 free months ALL year, don't be a dumb-a**. I know people will say it is an excused absence but what the hell is Phillips going to say? "I don't excuse him from VOLUNTARY work outs?"

And the apologists will continue to spin it that it was 'voluntary'...Anyone can read the writing on the wall, it's incomprehensible that Roy wasn't there...Period

Think skinned, whatever...He deserves everything thrown at him this season from the media and fans until he proves otherwise

 

[Idgit]

No, you guys are called apologists because you guys are so hell-bent on finding a kernel of praise in regards to Roy which you then use to justify your pro-Roy stance and then pass off as gospel. Geez man, the article was 80% critical of Roy (which isn't good), but you manage to find one of the few positive things, then act as if you've "won."

When it comes to Roy, you guys seem to lose even the most basic of rational thought. Mosley clearly paints a picture of Roy's miniscule mental make-up when he, much like a 4-year old would do, told the reporter to stay off the play because HE PICKED AGAINST THE COWBOYS?!?!?!!

THIS is the guy that you guys want to defend? Of all the Cowboys, Roy is the horse you want to pick in the race?

Then somehow, you use this quote from Stewart as if it's law?

Dude, Roy freaked out when a reporter picked against the Cowboys, so wouldn't it be plausible that he'd flat our lose his freaking mind if he knew a coach said a bad word about him????

But, you go ahead — as you (and a few others) always do — and pretend all is well in Roy's world. Meanwhile, us in the real world will wait for the day that he is no longer a Cowboy while cheering on other players who are actually worthy of their praise and pay.

Almost nobody on this board is hell-bent on finding reasons to praise Roy. Even his strongest supporters freely acknowledge his play dropped off last year. What bugs us is the way some of you overreact.

You may not want to credit coach Stewart's comments about Roy. I think that's surpassingly ignorant, but whatever. It's not like the coaches haven't raised concerns of their own, too.

But please don't make it seem like Roy's a bad person just because he doesn't appreciate the media. It drives me nuts to see the same group of people trying to slag Roy Williams while swinging on Pacman Jones' pouch. That's just completely backwards.

 

[AdamJT13]

he was giving or supposed to be giving deep help. i know on 1 of the moss tds he was looking at the other side of the field and blew his coverage. prove me wrong Adam i dare you.

Parcells and Aaron Glenn already said you're wrong. (Myth No. 30.)

But I'm sure they were just lying to protect Roy, right? (Myth No. 36.)

 

[AdamJT13]

So now the cameramen are out to get him? Talk about runaway paranoia. Unless Aikman or Buck had something negative to say about him after that play (why would they?), this wasn't worth mentioning. In fact, it smacks of desperation.

Except that it's true. There have been plenty of times when the opposing offense has had a big play and the cameras have immediately focused on Roy even though he wasn't responsible. Then lots of fans on this board and others automatically blame Roy, thinking he must have been responsible for it.

 

[DBoys]

The biggest problem Roy has is he is mentally weak.

 

[TNCowboy]

Except that it's true. There have been plenty of times when the opposing offense has had a big play and the cameras have immediately focused on Roy even though he wasn't responsible. Then lots of fans on this board and others automatically blame Roy, thinking he must have been responsible for it.

Perhaps if he wouldn't point at his teammates when the other team scores and he's in the vicinty.....