Williams facing hazy future - Mosley - 5/24/08

[Romo2Bryant4Six]

Before we flat out cut Roy, I don't know why we wouldn't try him at the "Mo" ILB spot. Let him play there some and see if he fits.

He's about as big as Donnie Edwards and has similar strengths. All of Roy's shortcomings would be gone at that spot. Plus, his instincts (to run to the ball) would fit right in there.

If his heart is into it, I think he'd be a terrific ILB (in Wade's defense). He'd be all over the place with that speed and the "Mo" ILB position in Wade's scheme is all about run and hit. Not much thinking there, just reacting to the ball, which is what Roy does best.

Plus, he should be able to cover plenty well for that spot.

I know many will disagree... but it's worth a shot before we give up on him completely, IMO. He's too talented at getting to the ball to throw away.

If we do I bet he ends up as a 4-3 OLB like Derrick Brooks... because the safety position has evolved too much for him these days.

I couldn't agree with you more...Let that man beat up on runningbacks and tightends, even if hes not "covering" them, like they said in the article, he knows how to seperate players from the ball. Either way, R. Williams will have an above average 2008 season.maybe not great, but definitely above average. You can book that.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Hate to break it to you, that wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement for Roy.

He makes more good than bad....gee, I would hope so.

Have we really set the bar this low for this guy?

It's a hell alot better than the guy is total garbage and a waste of space statements the the lynch mob have made. In Roy worst season he has posted better numbers than most safeties in the league and half of the Cowboy nation is so spoiled that he didn't play up to his previous seasons that there ready to throw him under the bus, rollover him and backup and do it again. I hope to god Demarcus Ware has another double digit sack year or who knows what you guys will say about him. I hope Barber rushes for over 1,000 yards with at least 10 Tds or he will be thrown under that same bus that Roy is presently under. Tnew better not give up many Tds or well you get the picture.

All the bad that has plagued our defense over the years and you guys can find so much fault in a guy who has given us 506 total tackles(425 solo), 6.5 sacks, 19 ints and 56 pdefs in 7 years. Show me anyone on the Cowboys in 7 years who has given us more. Who by the way has never missed a game due to injury. One word ungrateful.

 

[AbeBeta]

If I had to guess its probably not as simple as him planning things. This might be a hard thing to consider but if he was attending someone else's wedding or event, it might not be up to him to determine the date.

Wow, so the guy with the job that pays the most is at the mercy of folks scheduling stuff around him. No, that's BS. If he's putting football first then he's telling people "sorry I can't come but this is the one week out of the month that I have to work." He gets millions a year to do his job. That sort of sacrifice comes with the territory. That his teammates would comment says a ton to me.

 

[Sarge]

Wow, so the guy with the job that pays the most is at the mercy of folks scheduling stuff around him. No, that's BS. If he's putting football first then he's telling people "sorry I can't come but this is the one week out of the month that I have to work." He gets millions a year to do his job. That sort of sacrifice comes with the territory. That his teammates would comment says a ton to me.

:signmast:

I really think it's the beginning of the end for RW here and that is TOTAL speculation on my part.......just how I view it is all . . . IMO/FWIW...

:america:

 

[Hoofbite]

Wow, so the guy with the job that pays the most is at the mercy of folks scheduling stuff around him. No, that's BS. If he's putting football first then he's telling people "sorry I can't come but this is the one week out of the month that I have to work." He gets millions a year to do his job. That sort of sacrifice comes with the territory. That his teammates would comment says a ton to me.

Why wouldn't it be that way? Just because he has money, the world is supposed to conform to Roy Williams (or any other celebrity/wealthy person). Thats about as selfish as it gets in this world.

If hes not the guy makin the plans then who the hell is he to determine when it has to be done just to appease the Dallas media and some people on a message board.

I tell ya, its never ending. I don't tend to care a whole lot about people bashing his performance because it hasn't been on the level that he has set it at. I hope he plays better as well and I understand that some folks would rather just bash him, get all worked up and exaggerate to no extent. I get that. But you have just taken it to a new level. To bash Roy because he doesn't have the mentality to bend other people's lives to his schedule simply because he has more money is about as outlandish and as big of a reach as I have ever seen.

 

[AbeBeta]

Why wouldn't it be that way? Just because he has money, the world is supposed to conform to Roy Williams (or any other celebrity/wealthy person). Thats about as selfish as it gets in this world.

If hes not the guy makin the plans then who the hell is he to determine when it has to be done just to appease the Dallas media and some people on a message board.

I tell ya, its never ending. I don't tend to care a whole lot about people bashing his performance because it hasn't been on the level that he has set it at. I hope he plays better as well and I understand that some folks would rather just bash him, get all worked up and exaggerate to no extent. I get that. But you have just taken it to a new level. To bash Roy because he doesn't have the mentality to bend other people's lives to his schedule simply because he has more money is about as outlandish and as big of a reach as I have ever seen.

He's making a ton of cash. He's pissing and moaning about not being comfortable in the defense. He has been off work since January with little responsibility, save for a week here and there until camp opens. If it isn't in your power to plan the event at some other time then you need to make the sacrifice and stay home. That's the part about having a big high paying job. You sometimes can't do all the family stuff you want to. You can't schedule a vacation at certain times and if someone else is doing the scheduling then you maybe just can't go. This isn't about bending the world to his schedule -- it is about really not giving a crap about the OTAs.

His teammates said it clearly -- the OTAs are always mid to late May -- plan accordingly.

 

[AbeBeta]

:signmast:

I really think it's the beginning of the end for RW here and that is TOTAL speculation on my part.......just how I view it is all . . . IMO/FWIW...

:america:

The teammate thing really tears it -- that guys would question his absence suggests that there are some deep issues brewing.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Eh... This article was mainly a compilation of stories we already knew... Or maybe that's because I hear Mosley on the radio all the time.

(Except maybe the comments from Woody... Still being a great teammate and trying to take blame even three years after he's left the team. BTW, who was the defensive coordinator back then, Zimmer or Woody?)

One thing I didn't like was the little revisionist history that maybe the Cowboys should have known in scouting him that he would turn out like this. Mosley even made sure to mention the Dumbtastic Duo of Lacewell and Jerry. Come on, Matt, Roy was an absolutely dominant player his first couple of years and nobody had a complaint about him.

Here's my question: Do that many people really think that Roy *can't* play anymore? My view is that he can if he just wants it. And that's what's frustrating about him. It doesn't seem like it, but this will be his seventh year in the league, and he's been through a ton of big collisions in that time. If he were declining due to wear and tear, I could understand and accept that. But not knowing the defense, not studying enough film, gaining a ton of weight every offseason, not taking responsibility for mistakes... That's just very disappointing.

Oh well... If Roy could regain that fire and play well again this year, all this would be forgotten and the criticism would disappear. Maybe Roy will finally realize that.

 

[Oh_Canada]

This is what disappoints me the most about Roy Williams. I can understand the struggling performances but the attitude and not making the extra effort to learn is what is so troubling. Zach Thomas from what I have read is devouring the playbook and even going over past defensive notes when Miami played us, and is hard studying film for that matter.

Felix Jones during OTA's was hitting it hard in the film room and officially, he hasn't been signed yet.

Maybe it's not about being able to grasp the defense, but more so not making enough of an effort to grasp the defense to begin with. I recently learned that he is dyslexic but wouldn't studying film or seeking special tutoring or coaching help minimize his affliction or improve his learning ability?

I don't think the criticism over him going on vacation during OTA's is invalid either. Roy supporters throw in that he was excused by the coaching staff. But come on don't you think they would rather have him over at Valley Ranch picking up the nuances of Wade's 3-4 or getting some special learning attention? It is not that he couldn't reschedule vacation with the remaining downtime this year. It isn't like the players have not been off prior to the OTA's either.

What were the coaches going to state - we are disappointed that Roy yet again didn't take advantage or make an effort to get back on the optimum productive path befitting of a star performer with a hefty extended contract?

I know it has been statistically reinforced in this forum that he is the tackling hot shot but he was selected in the top ten first round as a playmaker, and during his first few years that indeed personified Roy Williams.

Here Roy is in his prime and he should actually be getting better, not worse. I am all for keeping Roy on the roster this year and hoping he turns it around because as a fan right now I am not only very dissapointed in Roy but absolutely heartbroken. I hope this year he not only knocks the opposition on its behind but also obliterates my increasing disrespect of him.

Well said and your points are dead-on. I too hope he proves us all wrong, but somehow I doubt it.

This latest indiscretion is just another example of a player who really doesn't love the game anymore and who's dedication is in great question. Roy skipping out on OTA's is disrepectful to his teammates and the organization in general, many of whom have made great sacrifices to be there. This wasn't for the birth of his child or marriage of a sibling, it was a vacation. As a veteran and a "leader" of the team he has no excuse....plain and simple.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Eh... This article was mainly a compilation of stories we already knew... Or maybe that's because I hear Mosley on the radio all the time.

(Except maybe the comments from Woody... Still being a great teammate and trying to take blame even three years after he's left the team. BTW, who was the defensive coordinator back then, Zimmer or Woody?)

One thing I didn't like was the little revisionist history that maybe the Cowboys should have known in scouting him that he would turn out like this. Mosley even made sure to mention the Dumbtastic Duo of Lacewell and Jerry. Come on, Matt, Roy was an absolutely dominant player his first couple of years and nobody had a complaint about him.

Here's my question: Do that many people really think that Roy *can't* play anymore? My view is that he can if he just wants it. And that's what's frustrating about him. It doesn't seem like it, but this will be his seventh year in the league, and he's been through a ton of big collisions in that time. If he were declining due to wear and tear, I could understand and accept that. But not knowing the defense, not studying enough film, gaining a ton of weight every offseason, not taking responsibility for mistakes... That's just very disappointing.

Oh well... If Roy could regain that fire and play well again this year, all this would be forgotten and the criticism would disappear. Maybe Roy will finally realize that.

Great post Choc. The bolded part is what really frustrates me as well because if he had the work ethic of say a Newman who knows how scary this guy could be.

 

[Rampage]

proven, rampage. now will you man up and say you were wrong or will you duck and cover like most bashers till another myth comes up you can rally around?

i'm not wrong. go watch the film. on one of those tds he looked to the other side of the field where the deep help was in position on that side(their was no reason to even look over there) he than let the opposing teams fastest wr get behind him. Aaron glenn was to blame too. but Roy was playing 20 yards off the ball and still let moss get by him. Parcells was probably trying to protect the mental midgets feelings from being hurt. I repeat watch the film.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Here's my question: Do that many people really think that Roy *can't* play anymore? My view is that he can if he just wants it. And that's what's frustrating about him. It doesn't seem like it, but this will be his seventh year in the league, and he's been through a ton of big collisions in that time. If he were declining due to wear and tear, I could understand and accept that. But not knowing the defense, not studying enough film, gaining a ton of weight every offseason, not taking responsibility for mistakes... That's just very disappointing.

Oh well... If Roy could regain that fire and play well again this year, all this would be forgotten and the criticism would disappear. Maybe Roy will finally realize that.

I agree with you.......but I don't think that Roy has the fire necessary to dedicate himself to improve, watch tape, stay after practice, stay in shape, etc. He doesn't realize that just stepping onto the field, doesn't intimidate anyone. I also think that he doesn't have the mental capacity to study and learn the intricacies of the defense.

Too bad, it is a waste of talent............

 

[AbeBeta]

Why wouldn't it be that way? Just because he has money, the world is supposed to conform to Roy Williams (or any other celebrity/wealthy person). Thats about as selfish as it gets in this world.

If hes not the guy makin the plans then who the hell is he to determine when it has to be done just to appease the Dallas media and some people on a message board.

I tell ya, its never ending. I don't tend to care a whole lot about people bashing his performance because it hasn't been on the level that he has set it at. I hope he plays better as well and I understand that some folks would rather just bash him, get all worked up and exaggerate to no extent. I get that. But you have just taken it to a new level. To bash Roy because he doesn't have the mentality to bend other people's lives to his schedule simply because he has more money is about as outlandish and as big of a reach as I have ever seen.

Here's a story about a guy who changed his plans.... (from BTB)

It cost Dallas QB Tony Romo $9,000 to withdraw from the Colonial Pro-Am on Wednesday so he wouldn't miss one of the Cowboys "voluntary" organized team activities. Romo had agreed to play in the Colonial event well before he knew there would be a scheduling conflict with what was essentially a 7-on-7 drill, and could have gotten away with not showing up. Because he's totally committed to being the best QB he can be, and wants to be viewed as a team leader, Romo pulled the plug on the golf. It cost him $9,000 because that's how much somebody paid in an auction to play with him in the Pro-Am. With the money targeted for Cook Children's Hospital, Romo wrote a check to the guy who bought him

Commitment vs. not so much commitment...

 

[iceberg]

Here's a story about a guy who changed his plans.... (from BTB)



Commitment vs. not so much commitment...

romo backing out didn't have the potential to mess up a whole family of committments already made. but the fact romo had it scheduled would seem to also imply that the dates were NOT rock solid and chains around roys wrists.

romo leaving hurt him and his partner.

if roy had left, who's to say how much of his family would have to have change plans EVEN IF they could?

love the incomplete comparisions that serve existing hate.

 

[Woods]

Eh... This article was mainly a compilation of stories we already knew... Or maybe that's because I hear Mosley on the radio all the time.

(Except maybe the comments from Woody... Still being a great teammate and trying to take blame even three years after he's left the team. BTW, who was the defensive coordinator back then, Zimmer or Woody?)

One thing I didn't like was the little revisionist history that maybe the Cowboys should have known in scouting him that he would turn out like this. Mosley even made sure to mention the Dumbtastic Duo of Lacewell and Jerry. Come on, Matt, Roy was an absolutely dominant player his first couple of years and nobody had a complaint about him.

Here's my question: Do that many people really think that Roy *can't* play anymore? My view is that he can if he just wants it. And that's what's frustrating about him. It doesn't seem like it, but this will be his seventh year in the league, and he's been through a ton of big collisions in that time. If he were declining due to wear and tear, I could understand and accept that. But not knowing the defense, not studying enough film, gaining a ton of weight every offseason, not taking responsibility for mistakes... That's just very disappointing.

Oh well... If Roy could regain that fire and play well again this year, all this would be forgotten and the criticism would disappear. Maybe Roy will finally realize that.

After reading the article on Z Thomas, and how he already has 3+ notebooks filled with notes and how he shows up at Valley Ranch at 6:30 a.m. and stays late going over film, I just wish "some" of our other veteran leaders would show similar initiative.

I really am curious how R Williams plays this year. It's his 2nd year in the same scheme, so I'd think he should be more comfortable this time around.
And I do think he can play even better this year than in 2007.

But I suppose what bugs me a bit, and maybe I'm being unfair, is why doesn't he spend more time in the film room, etc to take his game to another level?

Maybe he does, and we all just don't know about it. And I hope that's the case. Because if R Williams doesn't "get it" this season, I don't think he'll be around in 2009, and that would be a shame. I still think that RW can be an impact player IF he wants to.

And I'm still hopeful that RW can turn it around this season, esp. with Campo there to assist him. But I realize that this may be his last season with the Cowboys if RW doesn't make improvement.

I guess we'll all find out pretty soon . . . .

 

[AbeBeta]

romo backing out didn't have the potential to mess up a whole family of committments already made. but the fact romo had it scheduled would seem to also imply that the dates were NOT rock solid and chains around roys wrists.

romo leaving hurt him and his partner.

if roy had left, who's to say how much of his family would have to have change plans EVEN IF they could?

love the incomplete comparisions that serve existing hate.

My point was initially that some teammates noted that they ALWAYS have OTAs in mid to late May -- and that others simply don't schedule stuff at those times. I've never been a huge anti-Roy guy but when his teammates start saying this stuff, it makes it clear that his commitment is being questioned by folks who are far closer to him that we are.

 

[jobberone]

Too much is being made of this. The coaches would have told him to be here if it really meant that much. This is not a thing to be concerned about unless you have an agenda.

It is his play on the field which is troublesome. I wish we could keep it to that. And in fact although I have been outspoken about his play, perhaps it is time to put this to rest and let the season judge his play and not us.

 

[AbeBeta]

Too much is being made of this. The coaches would have told him to be here if it really meant that much. This is not a thing to be concerned about unless you have an agenda.

It is his play on the field which is troublesome. I wish we could keep it to that. And in fact although I have been outspoken about his play, perhaps it is time to put this to rest and let the season judge his play and not us.

Actually, I don't think the coaches can say "you have to be here" because these are technically voluntary. In that sort of situation it is the players who generally encourage each other to be present.

 

[CowboyJeff]

....Jones and his right-hand man, Larry Lacewell, were able to look past that potential flaw....

pretty much sums things up....

 

[iceberg]

My point was initially that some teammates noted that they ALWAYS have OTAs in mid to late May -- and that others simply don't schedule stuff at those times. I've never been a huge anti-Roy guy but when his teammates start saying this stuff, it makes it clear that his commitment is being questioned by folks who are far closer to him that we are.

weren't they in june last year? dunno but i've heard more than once it was june.

but let's say they are always in may - why did romo schedule a gold tournament? yes he's quite the hero for cancelling, but if it's always set in stone, why did he do it? then, why does no one care he scheduled it during a time ANYONE would have known better to begin with?

cause romo is a fan-fav and williams is now a whipping boy.