With Rico coming on as of late, can we start to cancel the Henry talk?

[John813]

Rico is playing very well, but it'll be crazy to go into 2025 with him and spare parts.

2021 and 22 he ended up on IR.

I'm hoping his recent showings persuade the FO to pass on Jeanty in the 1st, but it'll be prudent to draft one in day 2/early 3 as a backup/future potential starter.

 

[CowboyoWales]

hindsight is 20/20....ALWAYS
....at the time, all of us here wanted a little more. we lost Pollard who is 5th in rushing this year on another team that's struggling and has OL issues.
we then proceeded to replace Pollard with a washed up Zeke when Henry was available (who is better than pollard). that was stupid. that one move showed, we are not all in.

so if you are all in (a big lie I know), then you sign henry.

you are worried about 2025 and sacrificed 2024!!! with a team in clear need of couple of top players to get over the hump (like a real DT). you are 12-5 and you don't sacrifice a year.....you make a run at it.
and for 2025...contracts can be restructured. there has been several articles that with a few restructures we can end up with 65-70M in cap space. more than enough.

with this approach you mention then, next year people say, we have to push money to 26, because we are worried about next year and then 27, 28 and so on...
the window of opportunity is small. you go all in like Rams and you take home a trophy....if you don't and just want to manage next year's cap, you will never get over the hump.

but we know Jerry was lying...that's a whole other issue, but cap wasn't, isn't and shouldn't be an issue, if you are smart (that's the other issue)

btw, we currently have 20M on the cap in 25. henry's cap hit is a little above 10M in 2025, so that would have left us with 9M...
his contract could have been done, so its a 3 year contract with an out in 26, and then a post june 1 cut, to cut the dead cap by

No hindsight, its reality. Henry wouldnt of overcome the defensive woes and Dak's composure vrs GB. Yes that was the year to go All-In, but a 1st for Henry is a high price, especially as in hindsight it would of failed.
This year, if you believe the All-In claim, that's on you. Henry was never coming to us in the offseason, why would he when Baltimore was interested? I love the way you create a ficticious narrative where he accepts the 3rd year.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No hindsight, its reality. Henry wouldnt of overcome the defensive woes and Dak's composure vrs GB. Yes that was the year to go All-In, but a 1st for Henry is a high price, especially as in hindsight it would of failed.
This year, if you believe the All-In claim, that's on you. Henry was never coming to us in the offseason, why would he when Baltimore was interested? I love the way you create a ficticious narrative where he accepts the 3rd year.

reality? how did you know in summer that this is what's about to happen? that we would have defensive woes?
in the offseason, it was painfully obvious we needed to replenish the running game, address holes on DL and go into draft prepared, not needy.
a well run organization, keen on winning championships would have made the moves.

but now, 14 games in, everybody says, it was the right thing to do....which is hindsight...oh, the defense is bad....but how did you know? this was a top 5 defense last year, sorely missing a DT in the middle. did you know they were going to collapse like this? show me your post from this off season where you predicated this defense was going to be this bad.

I never believed in the all in....it was a lie, but if all in, then show me....then sign henry, sign one of the better DTs. when those two things didn't happen, it was painfully obvious....
I haven't believe Jerry in 30 years, who is the root cause of all of this.

we never pursued Henry, so we will never know if he would have, or would not have, but he was from Texas and did mention Dallas never even called him....just a call.

not fictious...reality....if owner/GM would have pursued Henry and a DT, then he would show commitment which he did neither. then the team would be improved in off season, based on where they finished last season.

and now go ahead and do your dak dak dak thing. because that's all there is always on some of you all's mind.

oh, btw, when you are done with you crystal ball, pleae pass it along

 

[CommonCents]

880yrds 1TD Avg 5.0yrds a carry on 177 touches. He can play. But we do need more TD's, a lot more. I'd still draft a RB.

 

[glimmerman]

Is this the contract year for Rico. Players always play with pop on a contract year.

 

[CowboyoWales]

reality? how did you know in summer that this is what's about to happen? that we would have defensive woes?
in the offseason, it was painfully obvious we needed to replenish the running game, address holes on DL and go into draft prepared, not needy.
a well run organization, keen on winning championships would have made the moves.

but now, 14 games in, everybody says, it was the right thing to do....which is hindsight...oh, the defense is bad....but how did you know? this was a top 5 defense last year, sorely missing a DT in the middle. did you know they were going to collapse like this? show me your post from this off season where you predicated this defense was going to be this bad.

I never believed in the all in....it was a lie, but if all in, then show me....then sign henry, sign one of the better DTs. when those two things didn't happen, it was painfully obvious....
I haven't believe Jerry in 30 years, who is the root cause of all of this.

we never pursued Henry, so we will never know if he would have, or would not have, but he was from Texas and did mention Dallas never even called him....just a call.

not fictious...reality....if owner/GM would have pursued Henry and a DT, then he would show commitment which he did neither. then the team would be improved in off season, based on where they finished last season.

and now go ahead and do your dak dak dak thing. because that's all there is always on some of you all's mind.

oh, btw, when you are done with you crystal ball, pleae pass it along

Replenish the running game -yes, but this year's 'soft reset' wasn't condusive to signing Henry. If we weren't capable last season, we certainly weren't going to be in position to be competitive this season.

 

[LittleLexodus]

I'm happy for Dowdle (hope he gets up to 1k career yards by end of this season) but I don't know if he can be the difference maker in big games like Henry (ex. Titans against Pats in 2020 playoffs). Ravens were already a contender before adding him, though.

 

[G2]

No, not the same at all.

 

[khiladi]

With Rush coming on, can we cancel the Dak never had help talks and he should never have gotten the contracy?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Replenish the running game -yes, but this year's 'soft reset' wasn't condusive to signing Henry. If we weren't capable last season, we certainly weren't going to be in position to be competitive this season.

why weren't we in position to be competitive this year? a top 5 defense, obviously lacking in DT position. and replenish the running game. now, GB game was a debacle. unlike most who like to have a singular point of failure and just pick at it (dak dak dak dak dak dak dak dak dak.....). that was a debacle that went up and down the line in the organization. Quinn, didn't have a game plan (awful awful awful). the coach didn't set the right mindset with the team (when players are planning victory parties for a first round playoff win!!!!!!). the whole team looked unprepared. offense sucked. but defense wasn't any better. they sucked too and it just snow balled. CD throwing tantrums on the sideline, with coach having to walk over and console him!!!! seriously!!! the whole team just panicked.

but that's when you have to go to the table and say what do we have to do?, so we don't get embarassed like this again. what was missing? what changes are needed? etc....but none of that happened as it should have. any sane team, with a sane GM, and sane coach focused on winning championships would have done exactly the same. we are the Jones' Cowboys and we do the opposite of everything right.

and then when season started it ended up being a soft reset. absolutely nobody here was saying, oh, its a soft reset after the first game of the season. NOBODY...we beat a playoff team on the road, one that was supposed to be competitive in AFC
only half way through season everyone is not talking about soft reset.....like I said, everyone has great 20/20 hindsight vision. because NOBODY in off season or after the first game said...yeah, lets do a soft rebuild!!!! NOBODY

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Rico is playing very well, but it'll be crazy to go into 2025 with him and spare parts.

2021 and 22 he ended up on IR.

I'm hoping his recent showings persuade the FO to pass on Jeanty in the 1st, but it'll be prudent to draft one in day 2/early 3 as a backup/future potential starter.

he crossed 80 yards twice before this streak, going against three of the worse run defenses in the league!!!!
so I agree, he is a back up material, perhaps part of a platoon, but as a lead back....forget it.

 

[Kevinicus]

Here are some things that happened this past off-season that gives all the Jones boys talk of “free agent RB’s are too expensive” garbage some perspective:

• The e-girls signed Saquon Barkley this spring and structured his deal where his cap hit this year is $3,8 million. Zeke is getting $3 million this year.
• The worthless addition of 3rd string QB Trey Lance in 2023 for a 4th round pick is worse when you consider Lance will earn a base salary this year of $1,055,000 and a roster bonus of $4,255,714, making his total compensation for the 2024 season of $5.31 million.
• Let it sink in and marinate that Trey Lance is making $5.3 mil this year compared to Saquon Barkley‘s $3.8 mil.
• Derrick Henry’s total cap hit this year in Baltimore is $5.1 million, which is less than what Trey Lance is making.

So forgive me when I get a little disgusted when I hear one of the Jones boys say “we couldn’t have afforded those guys”. On that ridiculous point consider this:

• If the Jones FO had signed Cedee and Dak in the spring they would have had the cap flexibility to go after several significant FAs. Even if they chose to move on from Dak which many here wanted, they could have done the same with some other cap moves.
• I don’t want to hear the Jones boys whining about cap space. Baltimore is paying Lamar Jackson an avg of $55 million this over five years; Philly is paying Hurts over $50 mil a year for five years. Yet somehow their FO finds a way to build a great roster.

Lies are catching up to this front office.

Completely disingenuous to suggest Barkley is making 3.8 million this year.
Looking at individual year cap hits is not a good way to compare contracts at all.

Zeke is also not $3 million.

 

[Bobhaze]

Completely disingenuous to suggest Barkley is making 3.8 million this year.
Looking at individual year cap hits is not a good way to compare contracts at all.

Zeke is also not $3 million.

I’m not comparing contracts, I’m comparing one year cap hits.

I got the Zeke numbers from the website Betting MGM: https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/ezekiel-elliott-contract-details-salary-guaranteed-money-bm06/#:~:text=Ezekiel Elliott Salary,with the Patriots last season.
They could certainly be wrong. They said Ezekiel Elliott is getting $3 million for his services in 2024. I think they are counting some of his dead money from his old deal. Spotrac says he’s making $2 mil.

Regarding Barkley, Spotrac has him at $3.8 million this season the way they organized the contract payments.
Link: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/25097/saquon-barkley

If you have a more accurate way to show the cost comparisons between these players, please feel free to do so.

 

[FiveSuperBowls]

Happy for Rico, he would be a good re-sign, but I agree with most here that still need to draft an RB.

 

[Kevinicus]

I’m not comparing contracts, I’m comparing one year cap hits.

I got the Zeke numbers from the website Betting MGM: https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/ezekiel-elliott-contract-details-salary-guaranteed-money-bm06/#:~:text=Ezekiel Elliott Salary,with the Patriots last season.
They could certainly be wrong. They said Ezekiel Elliott is getting $3 million for his services in 2024. I think they are counting some of his dead money from his old deal. Spotrac says he’s making $2 mil.

Regarding Barkley, Spotrac has him at $3.8 million this season the way they organized the contract payments.
Link: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/25097/saquon-barkley

If you have a more accurate way to show the cost comparisons between these players, please feel free to do so.

You can't look at single year cap hits to evaluate a contract. You have to factor in the other years and those costs as well.
MGM must be counting dead money, which they shouldn't be. That's for previous years of service, not 2024.

The issue is of course the timing they decided on for the Dak/Ceedee contracts, not how much anyone is making (though how much Dak' is making will definitely be an issue going forward).