Witten just confirmed Garrett is staying as head coach

Novacek84 said:
So you and the other Garrett apologists can rejoice in another 8-8 season. He's had enough time to produce results. Most fans here want more for this team. Garrett ain't providing it. Wake up.
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I can't keep up with all the labels you guys have for me.

troll. romo lover.. Garrett apologist.

You are just lucky I don't root for the giants
 
Cowboy4ever said:
I can agree to an extent. When it comes to option routes and reading coverage that is a coaching issue. However, a lot of the break downs we see that cost us games are just fundamental football that shouldn't happen at this level. A missed FG here, a holding call there, a dropped pass, bad throw, etc. That is player execution and not much to do with scheme or coach, but a player making a play or in our case, not making a play.
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I'm really speaking to the offense. The defense doesn't have enough quality personnel to matter. Often they are playing technically sound but just can't get it done due to their own limitations.
On the offensive side though, I 100% think that it is on the coaching. A hold here and there has not been our problem. We don't miss many FGs. Romo throwing INTs to DBs because the WR didn't run the right route, not finding the hot read on an OBVIOUS blitz, too many line adjustments, missed assignments, etc. is coaching. The offense just does not have a culture of execution. It wants to run hundreds of plays/routes and adjust on the fly to what the defense presents. THat requires a TON of recognition by the QB, WRs, OL, it requires tons of chemistry, and you have to be right. At some point, you have to simplify it and allow the players to just execute on something they have practiced over and over and over.
 
Question for the Garrett apologists: you do realize that these 3 NFC East win and in games were essentially playoff games, right? Garrett is 0-3 in them. If he actually took this team to the playoffs 3 times and lost in the first round each time you'd all be OK with that and would want him to return? Because that's what it sounds like. What am I missing here?
 
MikeT22 said:
One more note on Campo and Garrett. If Campo had Romo while Garrett had Campo's QB's, not only would the records likely be swapped, but Garrett's offense wouldn't be anywhere near 4th in the league in scoring. Can you just imagine the pass happy Garrett offense with Clint Stoerner, Anthony Wright, Ryan Leaf, Chad Hutchinson, etc.?
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That's fair. I wouldn't like to see any coach for the Cowboys play with those guys as the starter. Wright was never the same after his injury. I've always wondered what he could have done.
 
Garrett seems like a smart guy. He needed a few years under a successful head coach to learn the game.
 
Novacek84 said:
Question for the Garrett apologists: you do realize that these 3 NFC East win and in games were essentially playoff games, right? Garrett is 0-3 in them. If he actually took this team to the playoffs 3 times and lost in the first round each time you'd all be OK with that and would want him to return? Because that's what it sounds like. What am I missing here?
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I think you are missing how the so called apologists blame the gm primarily. I don;t see a roster that can make waves in the playoffs. Our gm is worse then 0-3 in them, and he is safe and sound.
 
Since he is staying, I really hope he(not Jerry!) brings in some good coordinators.
 
Dodger12 said:
Good. I don't care about your opinion. Matter of fact, I welcome it for some comedy during the off-season. What I question is when you call folks ignorant, as you have no idea what that means. Let me give you a hint, the guy who called his HC a trainee and made the comments in my sig line is ignorant but you seem to have a problem with fans who don't want a novice as their HC. Now that's ignorant........

In any event, I guess I should ask why I'm lucky you're not a mod?
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Your Dallas Cowboys...a training ground for head coaches from all over the USA!!! Sickening.
 
Crown Royal said:
I'm really speaking to the offense. The defense doesn't have enough quality personnel to matter. Often they are playing technically sound but just can't get it done due to their own limitations.
On the offensive side though, I 100% think that it is on the coaching. A hold here and there has not been our problem. We don't miss many FGs. Romo throwing INTs to DBs because the WR didn't run the right route, not finding the hot read on an OBVIOUS blitz, too many line adjustments, missed assignments, etc. is coaching. The offense just does not have a culture of execution. It wants to run hundreds of plays/routes and adjust on the fly to what the defense presents. THat requires a TON of recognition by the QB, WRs, OL, it requires tons of chemistry, and you have to be right. At some point, you have to simplify it and allow the players to just execute on something they have practiced over and over and over.
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This is not a quick strike offense which is one thing I have against Garrett although I'm not certain the players aren't limiting that some; like Romo but also the WRs and before the OL not allowing time for long routes to develop. So I think holds etc kill this offense. They are a ball control passing team and mistakes kill any team but esp one not designed say like the Eagles.
 
jobberone said:
This is not a quick strike offense which is one thing I have against Garrett although I'm not certain the players aren't limiting that some; like Romo but also the WRs and before the OL not allowing time for long routes to develop. So I think holds etc kill this offense. They are a ball control passing team and mistakes kill any team but esp one not designed say like the Eagles.
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I think that's changed SIGNIFICANTLY over the last two seasons. At one point, I thought this offense wanted to be a stretch the field, go over the top offense, but that really wasn't what Romo is. Now it's a ball control underneath offense, but we don't seem to call it well.

I don't have access to all 22 nor the time to study it, so I can't say for certain about our route combos that we run or how we execute that. I would definitely like to see more motion, forced mismatches and crossing patterns than we seem to run.
 
CATCH17 said:
Jerry Jones grandson has an account on Cowboyszone?
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Has to be. No one can be this defensive......this is who will one day rule the Jones empire.......

jones_unified.jpg
 
It occurs to me that one of the worst things to happen to this franchise is teams like the Steelers, Giants and Packers getting to and winning Super Bowls as a 5 or 6 playoff seed. It's a fluke thing that happens occasionally and Jerry is treating it like it is now gospel and the best way to go. Hang around at 9-7 get in and make a run. But It won't happen every year.
 
Crown Royal said:
I'm really speaking to the offense. The defense doesn't have enough quality personnel to matter. Often they are playing technically sound but just can't get it done due to their own limitations.
On the offensive side though, I 100% think that it is on the coaching. A hold here and there has not been our problem. We don't miss many FGs. Romo throwing INTs to DBs because the WR didn't run the right route, not finding the hot read on an OBVIOUS blitz, too many line adjustments, missed assignments, etc. is coaching. The offense just does not have a culture of execution. It wants to run hundreds of plays/routes and adjust on the fly to what the defense presents. THat requires a TON of recognition by the QB, WRs, OL, it requires tons of chemistry, and you have to be right. At some point, you have to simplify it and allow the players to just execute on something they have practiced over and over and over.
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Again, I think that is perception, not reality. When you look at the 8 losses -

KC - Dropped pass late that could have changed the outcome - Player execution
SD - Lots of dropped passes in that game - player execution
DEN - Pick at the end - Player execution
Lions - Hold that allowed the clock to stop and the D just sucking in the last 60 seconds - Player execution
Saints - Beat down - Put that on the Coaches
Bears - Beat Down - Again Coaches
Packers - Bad game management by Garrett all the way on this one. D sucked bad in the 2nd half though
Eagles - INT to end game - player execution

So in my mind, the players didn't execute in 5 of the 8 losses. Each game has it ups and downs, Momentum shifts and close calls. The job of the coach is to have your team in a position to win at the end of the game, whether players have made mistakes or coaches made the mistakes, don't really matter during the game. The only thing a coach really focus's on during the game is winning it. in 6 of the 8 losses, we had a chance to win at the end and the players didn't make the play. Hard to really hold a coach accountable for a top 5 WR dropping a pass in crunch time or your franchise QB throwing a pick in the last 2 minutes, or your Best OL holding on a crucial play. That is all on the players. We can go back and forth on whether the coaches called the right plays or the timeouts correctly or whatever, but in the end, players have to make plays and our stars just don't and I am not going to say that is coaching.
 
Boyzmamacita said:
If the players really feel this way about Garrett, then they need to take a look at themselves because they aren't getting it done for him.
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When you say this I take it to mean the leaders on this team need to step up and hold those around them accountable 24-7. I do not believe they do.

The old guard (Romo,Witten, Ware) have never been inspirational leaders. It's too late for them. It's time for guys like Murray, Bryant, Smith, and Lee to take their place and be the leaders this team needs to take the next step.

All these guys may genuinely like Garrett as a HC but it's all pointless if they are unable to push each other to be the best at their respective positions.
 
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