WOOHOO! 49ers & atlanta are talking about vick

[dmoore]

Is what Vick did more cruel than partial birth abortion? (now we are talking "human pups".) Do we have any playing in the NFL that would say that is ok? I wonder if we have anyone playing who has actually paid for one of those?

Yes, what Vick did was more cruel than a legal medical procedure. I'm not going to get into an abortion argument, but the term "partial birth abortion" is a political term created by conservatives. The proper term is intact dilation and extraction, and it represents a very small number of abortions performed in the US each year. But lets keep abortion and politics out of a football message board.

No one is saying we value a dog's life more than a humans. We just value a dog's life. If the NFL was going to let a guy come back to play in the league after serving time for murder or child abuse, I think you'd be upset about it. Why is it okay that he gets to come back just because he served his time? That's like saying the lives of animals don't matter. Mike Vick's life is ruined, and it should be. Any team that signs him if he gets reinstated deserves the public outcry that will accompany the move.

Back to a football note, the 49ers are not going to acquire Vick from the Falcons. No one is going to trade for Vick and be responsible for that salary. The Falcons will have to cut him.

 

[rcaldw]

Yes, what Vick did was more cruel than a legal medical procedure. I'm not going to get into an abortion argument, but the term "partial birth abortion" is a political term created by conservatives. The proper term is intact dilation and extraction, and it represents a very small number of abortions performed in the US each year. But lets keep abortion and politics out of a football message board.

No one is saying we value a dog's life more than a humans. We just value a dog's life. If the NFL was going to let a guy come back to play in the league after serving time for murder or child abuse, I think you'd be upset about it. Why is it okay that he gets to come back just because he served his time? That's like saying the lives of animals don't matter. Mike Vick's life is ruined, and it should be. Any team that signs him if he gets reinstated deserves the public outcry that will accompany the move.

Back to a football note, the 49ers are not going to acquire Vick from the Falcons. No one is going to trade for Vick and be responsible for that salary. The Falcons will have to cut him.

So if it is "legal", and a "medical procedure", then it is right?

And when the LEGAL system says that Michael Vick has paid his debt to society, you and others have a right to say that it isn't enough?

So on the one hand the law is the end of the discussion, but on the other hand, the law is only one part of the discussion?


And, once again, we have exhibit A of what I'm talking about. When the previous poster refers to him as Michael Dick, and says he is the scum of the earth because of what he did to animals, no one says keep it off a football message board. But as soon as I raise the issue of "intact dilation and extraction", which means take the baby partially out of the womb before you kill it, we need to drop the subject.

Ok, I will drop the subject, and the beat goes on.

 

[rcaldw]

Yes, what Vick did was more cruel than a legal medical procedure.

No one is saying we value a dog's life more than a humans. We just value a dog's life. If the NFL was going to let a guy come back to play in the league after serving time for murder or child abuse, I think you'd be upset about it. Why is it okay that he gets to come back just because he served his time? That's like saying the lives of animals don't matter.

Last post on the subject, but I don't equate murder or child abuse with animal abuse. Animal abuse is wrong, deplorable, despicable... wrong. But it is not equal to child abuse. Even though Mike Vick actually spent more time in prison than some people who are guilty of sexually abusing children have.

 

[Rampage]

If true, somebody at the 49ers office is really, really stupid. And the stupid one might turn out to be the HC there.


Just how many dog lovers do you think reside in the Bay Area?

I think that's where Cesar Milan the dog Whisperer himself lives.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Mike Vick in a 49ers uniform, that would be funny... Imagine the conversations with Coach Singletary and him.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Why would anyone think Vick would be coming here?

Hmmmmm Jerry Jones, Mike Vick. Sounds like a match made in heaven.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Last post on the subject, but I don't equate murder or child abuse with animal abuse. Animal abuse is wrong, deplorable, despicable... wrong. But it is not equal to child abuse. Even though Mike Vick actually spent more time in prison than some people who are guilty of sexually abusing children have.

 

[dbair1967]

I hope you aren't all talk.

I hope you actually live up to this when he is reinstated.

Its far from a lock he'll be re-instated. Unless the league and Vick work together to cut some kind of deal with the PETA people, HUMANE Society etc etc I doubt Goodell wants to go down the road he will be taking by reinstating Vick. It'll be a massive circus regardless of what team he ends up with.

Vick is a pathetically sick individual, IMO he doesnt deserve to be back in the league. Then again I never thought Leonard Little deserved such a light punishment either, but he got off with an 8 game suspension and has played ever since.

 

[superonyx]

What did he do?

He committed crimes. He was guilty of illegal gambling. He was guilty of setting up an operation that was cruel to animals (dogs). He was guilty of fighting dogs.

He paid for those crimes. He was tried, he was sentenced and he will soon have served his sentence.

What did he not do?

HE DID NOT ABUSE CHILDREN OR MURDER PEOPLE.

And I've got news for you. There is a difference between dogs and people.

I've seen more hatred spewed toward Mike Vick for crimes against animals, especially by the PETA types, than against 9/11 master minds that committed crimes against HUMANITY and AGAINST OUR NATION.

We are living in some seriously insane times when we start treating animals as more important than people, and before you say we don't, just go smash some eggs of an endangered bird species on a public square and see if you go to jail. Go kill the unborn young of an endangered animal and see what happens.

Oh boy here we go. Just because a person "paid" for their crimes does that mean we should forgive them? So when the child molester gets out of jail and moves in next door to you are you going to let you children play around him? He paid for his crimes also.
But he does not mean he should be treated like nothing happened.
You know the biggest difference between people and animals?
Animals act out of instinct with no malicious intent. People have the ability to determine right from wrong and the ability to make decisions based on this. You say its just an animal? Should we excuse people for abuse just because they abused a creature that isnt as intelligent as we are? How is it any less of crime because he abused and murdered an animal that is incapable of using its own judgement to determine right from wrong?

He did his time. But that does not mean he should be off the hook for what he did.

It's the same crap people like you speak when trying to minimize the wrongs of a piece of human garbage like Michael Dick. You try to bring up and mention the world trade center attack and classify me as a person who cares more about punishing Vick than them. Please search my past post and show me how you can come to this conclusion? Or is this something you say to try to help you make your weak point?

When you are mentioning Michael ***** crimes you forgot to mention how he beat dogs to death or how he drown them for not winning fights. Look into the details of what he really did.
Put yourself in that situation where you have this loyal animal that was fighting only because he wants to please you. Now imagine that animal losing the fight. As the animal lay there injured,exhausted and bleeding you decide to pick the dog up and repeatedly slam him into the ground until he dies. Or maybe you hold him under water as he fights you to breath.
This is what Michael Dick did to those animals.

And we live in a seriously sick world when that kind of behavior can be diminished by saying "its only a dog".

Playing in the NFL is not a right. He does not deserve the easy life he will have if he plays in the league again.

But go ahead and try to rebut this. Or maybe bring up something that has been done worse to attempt to minimize the sick nature of his crimes.

 

[rcaldw]

Oh boy here we go. Just because a person "paid" for their crimes does that mean we should forgive them? So when the child molester gets out of jail and moves in next door to you are you going to let you children play around him? He paid for his crimes also.
But he does not mean he should be treated like nothing happened.
You know the biggest difference between people and animals?
Animals act out of instinct with no malicious intent. People have the ability to determine right from wrong and the ability to make decisions based on this. You say its just an animal? Should we excuse people for abuse just because they abused a creature that isnt as intelligent as we are? How is it any less of crime because he abused and murdered an animal that is incapable of using its own judgement to determine right from wrong?

He did his time. But that does not mean he should be off the hook for what he did.

It's the same crap people like you speak when trying to minimize the wrongs of a piece of human garbage like Michael Dick. You try to bring up and mention the world trade center attack and classify me as a person who cares more about punishing Vick than them. Please search my past post and show me how you can come to this conclusion? Or is this something you say to try to help you make your weak point?

When you are mentioning Michael ***** crimes you forgot to mention how he beat dogs to death or how he drown them for not winning fights. Look into the details of what he really did.
Put yourself in that situation where you have this loyal animal that was fighting only because he wants to please you. Now imagine that animal losing the fight. As the animal lay there injured,exhausted and bleeding you decide to pick the dog up and repeatedly slam him into the ground until he dies. Or maybe you hold him under water as he fights you to breath.
This is what Michael Dick did to those animals.

And we live in a seriously sick world when that kind of behavior can be diminished by saying "its only a dog".

Playing in the NFL is not a right. He does not deserve the easy life he will have if he plays in the league again.

But go ahead and try to rebut this. Or maybe bring up something that has been done worse to attempt to minimize the sick nature of his crimes.

I'm not excusing his behavior, and neither do I subscribe to your "the biggest difference between animals and people is" philosophy. But I'm not going to answer it either. I agree that they want us to stick to football, and that is what I'm going to do.

 

[lewpac]

I agree with rcaldw.....

I got two dogs. ALWAYS have had two dogs. When something happens to one of them, I immediately begin shopping for another one. We also have two horses, a cow (yum-yum), three cats, even a peacock that adopted us and our property.

But I've NEVER gotten the intensity and the over-hyped drama over this whole Vick-dog affair. Was what he did right? Of course not. But this whole liberal-PETA-animal "rights"-secularism thing, making animals equal to humans is absurd. The other crimes associated with this matter, the tax questions, crossing state lines for commerce, the drug use, and other crimes along these lines, OK. But the punishment for the dog stuff? Way out of line............

If Vick DOES end up in "uber-lib" lefty San Francisco, CA, he'll be crucified and harassed every waking moment of his life. That place is the Head Quarters for EVERY assinine and idiot ulta-left nutcase in the world........including people who think that trees and whales and dogs are just as important, if not MORE important than the human condition.

Dogs get a special pass, even more than cats (the other most domesticated animal on Earth) because, yeah, they do present more companionship, personality and a "family"-like presence to any household. I couldn't imagine living without my dogs. But to render punishment like Vick got, for crimes against animals, I don't get that.

I told my wife and kids from the onset, "Don't get overly attached to any animal". Because animals die. They disappear. You're gonna' out-live your animals many times over. I myself have had over a dozen dogs, at least, in my life. Don't even mention cats!!! Of course, my speech never worked on my wife and kids. They get attached, and get their hearts broken over the cat gone missing, a gold-fish dying, and the Dalmation that passed away last fall.

I'm not saying that this was the case with Vick. What he did was malicious and deliberate. And it purposefully brought harm to those animals for nothing more than sport and money. Here in Hawaii, they fight roosters AT LEAST as much, probably more so than any other place fights dogs. It's illegal, but they only bust a few folks a year so the authorities look as though they're "on the problem". Everyone knows it's a cultural thing and they just ignore it. You could drive down any neighborhood in Hawaii and see the breeders with 50 little rooster houses in their yard to keep 'em separated. Everyone knows what the guys doing with 50 rooster houses in his front yard!!!! Personally, I have no problem with it. I've never been to a fight, but they say thousands and thousands of dollars trade hands during the tournaments.

Finally, when people think of the Vick-dog affair, they think of their own little puppy Spot, and wonder how anyone could do such things with such a "sweet, little and harmless" dog. No excuses for Vick, but THOSE dogs are not "sweet, little and harmless". THOSE dogs are born and bred to fight. Most dogs are like "Oh, he's such a nice man, and he has dogs". Other dogs are "Hey bro, watch out for Bubba, he's got DOGS!!!!" The police and military have "dogs" too, and they're not "sweet and cuddly" either.

Not saying that what Vick did was OK. But there's a lot of nuance and arbitrary things below the surface that should be considered before we just "send the ******* to jail for life!!!!!!"

 

[DallasEast]

The following is an official rebuttal concerning the possible reinstatement of Michael Vick to the NFL on or sometime after his release from federal prison. ​

WARNING! ​

The language contained in this official response is both graphic and harsh. Listening discretion is advised.​

Rebuttal--> Link​

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

RC we agree on most things, but this we dont agree on. This a truly deplorable human being. I doubt anyone thinks animals (ie dogs) are more important than humans, but what he did was still sickening. You probably should go back and read all the details of the crap he did, then come back and tell me if you still feel the same. Throwing golden retreiver puppies in with trained killer pitbulls to "warm them up" is beyond sick. Honestly had he done something like that to a dog I owned I would have killed him, and not felt the least bit sorry about it. There's a long list of decrepid acts he did here as well.

Every time you eat meat, you are essentially doing the same thing. If you don't believe me, just YouTube the documentary "Earthlings". There is somewhat of a double standard regarding how we treat other, non-dog animals and how we actually treat the animals we eat--very inhumanely.

Watch it "Earthlings" on You Tube.... then tell me if you feel Vick is that much different from anyone else.

 

[5Stars]

The following is an official rebuttal concerning the possible reinstatement of Michael Vick to the NFL on or sometime after his release from federal prison. ​

WARNING! ​

The language contained in this official response is both graphic and harsh. Listening discretion is advised.​

Rebuttal--> Link​

:laugh2:


Who let the dogs out? Who, who, who?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

What did he do?

He committed crimes. He was guilty of illegal gambling. He was guilty of setting up an operation that was cruel to animals (dogs). He was guilty of fighting dogs.

He paid for those crimes. He was tried, he was sentenced and he will soon have served his sentence.

What did he not do?

HE DID NOT ABUSE CHILDREN OR MURDER PEOPLE.

And I've got news for you. There is a difference between dogs and people.

I've seen more hatred spewed toward Mike Vick for crimes against animals, especially by the PETA types, than against 9/11 master minds that committed crimes against HUMANITY and AGAINST OUR NATION.

We are living in some seriously insane times when we start treating animals as more important than people, and before you say we don't, just go smash some eggs of an endangered bird species on a public square and see if you go to jail. Go kill the unborn young of an endangered animal and see what happens.

Someone doesn't understand the importance endangered species play in the ecosystem. . . .

 

[dallascowboyfanboy]

Oh boy here we go. Just because a person "paid" for their crimes does that mean we should forgive them? So when the child molester gets out of jail and moves in next door to you are you going to let you children play around him? He paid for his crimes also.
But he does not mean he should be treated like nothing happened.
You know the biggest difference between people and animals?
Animals act out of instinct with no malicious intent. People have the ability to determine right from wrong and the ability to make decisions based on this. You say its just an animal? Should we excuse people for abuse just because they abused a creature that isnt as intelligent as we are? How is it any less of crime because he abused and murdered an animal that is incapable of using its own judgement to determine right from wrong?

He did his time. But that does not mean he should be off the hook for what he did.

It's the same crap people like you speak when trying to minimize the wrongs of a piece of human garbage like Michael Dick. You try to bring up and mention the world trade center attack and classify me as a person who cares more about punishing Vick than them. Please search my past post and show me how you can come to this conclusion? Or is this something you say to try to help you make your weak point?

When you are mentioning Michael ***** crimes you forgot to mention how he beat dogs to death or how he drown them for not winning fights. Look into the details of what he really did.
Put yourself in that situation where you have this loyal animal that was fighting only because he wants to please you. Now imagine that animal losing the fight. As the animal lay there injured,exhausted and bleeding you decide to pick the dog up and repeatedly slam him into the ground until he dies. Or maybe you hold him under water as he fights you to breath.
This is what Michael Dick did to those animals.

And we live in a seriously sick world when that kind of behavior can be diminished by saying "its only a dog".

Playing in the NFL is not a right. He does not deserve the easy life he will have if he plays in the league again.

But go ahead and try to rebut this. Or maybe bring up something that has been done worse to attempt to minimize the sick nature of his crimes.

nice post dude. I agree with you. Btw- Vick also electrocuted a few as well probably his friends laughed at the time as well. What sick S.O.B.s

 

[lewpac]

Every time you eat meat, you are essentially doing the same thing. If you don't believe me, just YouTube the documentary "Earthlings". There is somewhat of a double standard regarding how we treat other, non-dog animals and how we actually treat the animals we eat--very inhumanely.

Watch it "Earthlings" on You Tube.... then tell me if you feel Vick is that much different from anyone else.

You're not going to win with that line of thinking. Because, like I said, dogs get a "special pass". No other animal on this Earth has been procreated and bred and brought along to co-exist with Mankind like the canine genus. Even mans "closest" relative (according to the theory), the monkey-gorilla-baboon thing.................they make terrible pets and are rotten around the house. It's not in anyones best interest to have a monkey as a pet.

I can't think of any other animal (besides the dolphin/porpoise thing) that will "sit, roll over, fetch, stay, come, bark, get on the porch, get out of the garage, etc..............except the dog. At lease MY dogs obey these commands. Cats? Besides going in the litter box, pretty hard to to train to follow commands.

So, c'mon man....................don't compare pigs and cows and chickens to dogs with regard to "how we treat animals". It ain't the same.

Anyway, Vick did his crime, paid his time (in spades IMO), and YEAH, he should be forgiven. Because in our society, THAT'S the deal. Our legal system metes out the proper punishment for the said crime, and once that punishment is complete, our LAWS and LEGAL SYSTEM declare that person FREE to resume his life. If he's "physically" free from incarceration, the freedom from carrying the "scarlet letter" on his chest the rest of his days SHOULD go along with it. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't see it the way our Constitution see's it, and will forever assign that soul to a living hell the rest of his Earthly days.....................

 

[Bleu Star]

Any team that picks up michael Vick should be ashamed of themselves.
Especially San Fran which is know as the most dog friendly city in the nation.
What are they thinking by bringing him there?(i doubt it happens though)
I will have lost all respect for mike singletary if he is ok with this guy.
Michael Vick alone is enough to make me despise any team.

Why bring in a guy that will cause your fan base shame.

Imagine the signs and chants that will go on in the stadium if this guy is allowed the right to steal millions of dollars a year again after what he did?

Overboard much?

Whatever happened to second chances? Are there special cases where second chances don't apply?

 

[Rampage]

Overboard much?

Whatever happened to second chances? Are there special cases where second chances don't apply?

all the time.

 

[Bleu Star]

Playing in the NFL is not a right. He does not deserve the easy life he will have if he plays in the league again.

Although I agree with you and definitely see your point, something tells me that if you had just half the talent that he has you might see things a little differently. Talent will always attract attention.