Would anyone miss him

[cowboy4life]

I know he has been a mainstay for several years and pro bowler forever, but would anyone miss Larry Allen if the Boys cut him before the March 3 FA period begins? I don't think I would. There comes a time when you just have to part ways.

I think this offensive line will not become better until Larry Allen is gone. He doesn't have the athletisism he once had. This line needs to be more athletic to fit the style of the running backs we have. Of course, we need to have a suitable replacement. But I don't think that will be very hard. Allen is a straight ahead blocker, he can't pull or trap block as effective as he once could.

 

[dbair1967]

So lets just stay with a pathetic line? Yeah that is the way to go, over pay for a guy who can't do the job instead of looking to replace him so that maybe this line will not continue to be pathetic. Allen offers us nothing and he is not getting the job done. Guys with any quickness are getting by him with little trouble.

I agree he needs to restructure his contract, but saying he "cant do the job? ***? he just made yet another pro bowl...I didnt see guys running by him left and right as you mentioned either

he isnt the most dominant OL in the league anymore and he isnt the best starting guard anymore either, but he is still pretty good...right now "pretty good" on our OL is awesome, because the other 4 guys are the bigger problems...especially the tackles, who were horrible last yr

David

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I agree he needs to restructure his contract, but saying he "cant do the job? ***? he just made yet another pro bowl...I didnt see guys running by him left and right as you mentioned either

he isnt the most dominant OL in the league anymore and he isnt the best starting guard anymore either, but he is still pretty good...right now "pretty good" on our OL is awesome, because the other 4 guys are the bigger problems...especially the tackles, who were horrible last yr

David

Thanks for getting ready to accept mediocre dbair. That's all we're going to get from him.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree he needs to restructure his contract, but saying he "cant do the job? ***? he just made yet another pro bowl...I didnt see guys running by him left and right as you mentioned either

he isnt the most dominant OL in the league anymore and he isnt the best starting guard anymore either, but he is still pretty good...right now "pretty good" on our OL is awesome, because the other 4 guys are the bigger problems...especially the tackles, who were horrible last yr

David

He made the Pro Bowl? big deal there are many players in the Pro Bowl who do not deserve to be in the Pro Bowl, it has become a popularity contest not about who deserves to go. I just do not want to spend 8 mil for a guy who I feel can not play decent for 16 weeks. As far as guys getting by him I saw plenty of times that Allen could not maintain his block and the defender would get around him. I just do not want to hold on to players as we did in the past who were getting a bigger paycheck than their real value.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Drew Bledsoe would miss him and probably Julius also. As I have said before unless we have a competent replacement don't get rid of him just yet.

 

[Doomsday101]

Drew Bledsoe would miss him and probably Julius also. As I have said before unless we have a competent replacement don't get rid of him just yet.

We will find out before March 3rd. If Larry takes a pay cut fine as for restructuring the contract no because I don't want to see his years extended just to make his cap hit friendly this upcoming season.

 

[Yeagermeister]

We will find out before March 3rd. If Larry takes a pay cut fine as for restructuring the contract no because I don't want to see his years extended just to make his cap hit friendly this upcoming season.

I have no problems with that.

 

[Derinyar]

I think theres one problem with getting rid of Larry this offseason. Our line is weak right now, and getting rid of one of the better pieces, while not knowing if we are going to get another piece in to replace him, with at least equal talent, is a way to make the line worse. Remember to see any real savings we have to cut him prior to march 3rd. So we have to sign someone basically the same day that we cut LA, or is it cut him prior to march 3.

I just don't think it likely makes sense to cut LA right now.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think theres one problem with getting rid of Larry this offseason. Our line is weak right now, and getting rid of one of the better pieces, while not knowing if we are going to get another piece in to replace him, with at least equal talent, is a way to make the line worse. Remember to see any real savings we have to cut him prior to march 3rd. So we have to sign someone basically the same day that we cut LA, or is it cut him prior to march 3.

I just don't think it likely makes sense to cut LA right now.

If they release Allen then I'm sure they will look for his replacement, not sure if they can do it all in 1 day.

 

[dbair1967]

He made the Pro Bowl? big deal there are many players in the Pro Bowl who do not deserve to be in the Pro Bowl, it has become a popularity contest not about who deserves to go. I just do not want to spend 8 mil for a guy who I feel can not play decent for 16 weeks. As far as guys getting by him I saw plenty of times that Allen could not maintain his block and the defender would get around him. I just do not want to hold on to players as we did in the past who were getting a bigger paycheck than their real value.

I agreed his pay is too high now, but he is still a good player...you get better by replacing obvious areas of weakness, not by replacing good players

the obvious areas of weakness on this team are the tackle positions (one which will be filled by Adams), the center position, the OLB opp Ware, FS and kicker...if they want to get better they need to focus on getting better at those positions, and not by trying to replace guys that can still do the job

David

 

[Doomsday101]

I agreed his pay is too high now, but he is still a good player...you get better by replacing obvious areas of weakness, not by replacing good players

the obvious areas of weakness on this team are the tackle positions (one which will be filled by Adams), the center position, the OLB opp Ware, FS and kicker...if they want to get better they need to focus on getting better at those positions, and not by trying to replace guys that can still do the job

David

That is where we differ I don't think he can do the job any longer and if we can save 3 mill by releasing him then do it. He can be replaced you act as if he is irreplaceable and I don't see it and I don't think it would take much to get better than what we are currently getting from Allen right now. As far as other area on the line I doubt Dallas is going to give up on Al Johnson so all this talk about Center in my opinion is just that all talk, Tackle I agree Dallas has to add another Tackle to this team

 

[Derinyar]

If they release Allen then I'm sure they will look for his replacement, not sure if they can do it all in 1 day.

Its not an issue of looking for his replacement, its that we have to make a decision on him at or before the start of the FA period. So we cut LA then we have to hustle to find a guard, and everyone on the market knows it.

Its one of those things, to save the max money from Allen's cutting we have to take a pretty big risk and put ourselves in a weak negotating position.

 

[Doomsday101]

Its not an issue of looking for his replacement, its that we have to make a decision on him at or before the start of the FA period. So we cut LA then we have to hustle to find a guard, and everyone on the market knows it.

Its one of those things, to save the max money from Allen's cutting we have to take a pretty big risk and put ourselves in a weak negotating position.

As I said sometimes you have to bite the bullet just as other teams have since FA and the cap entered the picture but holding on to old players and paying them out the nose is what got us in trouble with the cap to start with and that is one road I don't want to see the Cowboys going down again.

 

[ravidubey]

You guys are high if you think we'd be better off without Larry Allen. Unbelievable.

Here we have Johnson getting bull rushed backwards, Gurode screwing up all over the place, Rivera with no push, Tucker out of his depth, and Pettiti overwhelmed, and all that's left is Larry securing the middle. If Larry has a single off-play we feel it because there's no one left to pick up the slack. Yes he's older, but he's still strong and has reached a level of stamina where he can play as many games as we need.

At best Larry is an issue for the 2007 offseason-- maybe he can become our center if we find a superstar guard who is better than Larry (I'm sure there's a probowl NFL guard vine somewhere ).

 

[Doomsday101]

You guys are high if you think we'd be better off without Larry Allen. Unbelievable.

Here we have Johnson getting bull rushed backwards, Gurode screwing up all over the place, Rivera with no push, Tucker out of his depth, and Pettiti overwhelmed, and all that's left is Larry securing the middle. If Larry has a single off-play we feel it because there's no one left to pick up the slack. Yes he's older, but he's still strong and has reached a level of stamina where he can play as many games as we need.

At best Larry is an issue for the 2007 offseason-- maybe he can become our center if we find a superstar guard who is better than Larry (I'm sure there's a probowl NFL guard vine somewhere ).

Not high at all I don't think it is a good ideal paying out that kind of money to a player who is no longer able to do the job. Heck prior to the start of last year Larry did not even want to be here. If you disagree fine I would consider that you must be high jumping right back into the same kind of crud that got us behind the 8 ball with the salary cap once before and that was paying out high dollars to players who could not do the job any longer but we stayed with them out of sheer loyalty.

 

[Derinyar]

As I said sometimes you have to bite the bullet just as other teams have since FA and the cap entered the picture but holding on to old players and paying them out the nose is what got us in trouble with the cap to start with and that is one road I don't want to see the Cowboys going down again.

Oh I agree hes totally going to be over paid this upcoming season, but I just don't see the huge advantage to cutting him right now which is what your advocating.

Cutting a player with no one to replace him on your team is probably not the best idea in an attempt to save money. If Peterman had shown anything, then I'd probably agree with you. But right now our OL depth is horrible, and cutting Allen puts Peterman into the starting OL, until we get someone else signed, add that to the fact that I don't think its guranteed that who we get to replace LA will be better than LA.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh I agree hes totally going to be over paid this upcoming season, but I just don't see the huge advantage to cutting him right now which is what your advocating.

Cutting a player with no one to replace him on your team is probably not the best idea in an attempt to save money. If Peterman had shown anything, then I'd probably agree with you. But right now our OL depth is horrible, and cutting Allen puts Peterman into the starting OL, until we get someone else signed, add that to the fact that I don't think its guranteed that who we get to replace LA will be better than LA.

I expect to replace him I'm not saying release him and not replace him but if I'm going to spend money then at least do it with someone who is going to be here for a while and still has game left in him. I have been supportive of Larry for a long time but everything has to come to an end and other team manage to release players before they hit rock bottom and I feel we should do the same. I think it is the smartest thing to do cap wise as well as the for future of this team. Believe me I don't say this as one who hates Allen I love everything he has done for this club but I just don't feel it would be in the clubs best interest to continue to pay out big cash for players who's better days are well behind him.

 

[Derinyar]

Oh I think we are close to agreeing on this. I just think its more likely to be done next year than this year. Releasing him right now is a large risk for decent, but not great savaings. If you think we aren't going anywhere tomorrow than dumping Allen right now is definately the right way to go. If you think we have a chance to go somewhere then I don't think its the right time to dump him. If we had better depth, I'd say do it tomorrow. Too bad we don't.

 

[kartr]

"But the biggest question the Cowboys have this off-season, not just from the line standpoint but the entire team, is the status of longtime Pro Bowl guard Larry Allen.

The 12-year veteran is one of three Cowboys (along with Roy Williams and Jason Witten) to play in Sunday's Pro Bowl in Hawaii. But could this be the last time Allen dons a Cowboys helmet?

The veteran guard is scheduled to count $7.55 million against the Cowboys' salary cap next season, including a $2 million roster bonus that is due in March. If the Cowboys decide to release Allen to avoid the bonus, they would save about $3.5 million in cap space this year, after eating some $4 million in his prorated signing bonus.

But if Allen is gone, might there be even more problems for this Cowboys offensive line next season. Despite being 34 and moving a bit slower these days, Allen is still considered one of the strongest players in the entire league. He has been selected to the Pro Bowl 10 times in his 12-year career, including the last two seasons.

Behind him, the Cowboys have unproven players in Stephen Peterman, a 2004 third-round pick who has yet to play anything but special teams, and Cory Procter, who was signed off of Detroit's practice squad in mid-season."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=41CE3A2C-9EE3-B26A-5F1586ADD601F9A9


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In my opinion, I hope LA takes a pay cut and stays, but realistically, I don't see that happening. So, if that doesn't happen, then the Boys might just cut LA and sign one or two FA OL along w/drafting an OL in the first and second rounds of next year.

Thank you. This talk of getting rid of players who can still play is down right crazy, especially since we don't have ready replacements for them.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Do you guys honestly think Jerrah would cut LA if he/BP didn't already have a plan? I think there are options out there and won't cost as much.