Would anyone miss him

[cowboyeric8]

Hey, hey lets show support for our other L. Allen represented in the Pro Bowl.

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/cheerleaders/nfc

Oh yeah!

 

[Doomsday101]

Do you guys honestly think Jerrah would cut LA if he/BP didn't already have a plan? I think there are options out there and won't cost as much.

I agree. I keep hearing we have no one to replace him, well unless your going to hand the position to a rookie next season your in the same boat except you just wasted 8 mill dollars. Go out get his replacement at the level he is currently playing there are many option for this team to take without spending a large amont for a player who at best has maybe a year left in him. I loved having Larry on this team for this long but if we can release a guy like Emmitt Smith we sure as hell can release Larry Allen, this team can't afford to hold on to the past when the past is not getting it done.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I agree. I keep hearing we have no one to replace him, well unless your going to hand the position to a rookie next season your in the same boat except you just wasted 8 mill dollars. Go out get his replacement at the level he is currently playing there are many option for this team to take without spending a large amont for a player who at best has maybe a year left in him. I loved having Larry on this team for this long but if we can release a guy like Emmitt Smith we sure as hell can release Larry Allen, this team can't afford to hold on to the past when the past is not getting it done.

One big difference....we had Troy "Dookie Stick" Hambrick waiting in the wings :laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

One big difference....we had Troy "Dookie Stick" Hambrick waiting in the wings :laugh2:

LOL, exactly my point however since we are not in cap hell any longer Dallas can afford to find a better replacement than that.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

One big difference....we had Troy "Dookie Stick" Hambrick waiting in the wings :laugh2:

Best nickname ever.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Did Larry Allen shake some of you like a bobble head doll just like he did our kicker, because some of you seem to have a vendetta against one of the greatest Cowboy legends ever, and want to cut him with no backup plan in mind at all. Just because a player is getting older and probably overpaid, doesn't mean you have to immediately cut him.

 

[Doomsday101]

Did Larry Allen shake some of you like a bobble head doll just like he did our kicker, because some of you seem to have a vendetta against one of the greatest Cowboy legends ever, and want to cut him with no backup plan in mind at all. Just because a player is getting older and probably overpaid, doesn't mean you have to immediately cut him.

No vendetta at all I have said more than once I have been a big fan of Allens over the years but I'm a bigger fan of the Cowboys and I think it is a waste of money to pay a player who is no longer playing up to a level that is or should be acceptable. If you like what you have seen from Allen last season then great myself I did not like what I saw and I don't think paying out that big paycheck is in the best interest of the team. By releasing Allen we save over 3 mill with that money and yes you will have to replace him but that is something that will need to be faced this year or next which many have been saying his for the last few years. Other teams use their heads and release players before they hit rock bottom and are forced to pay out the roster bonus but it appears are fans want to wait until it is too late to replace a player so be it but I will continue to disagree with it.

 

[JackMagist]

The Original question in this thread was would anyone miss LA if we cut him. To that my answer is that I would miss him greatly if whoever replaced him did not do at least as good a job as LA but would mearly wish him well on his retirement if we could get someone better.

However, I am not convinced that replacing him will be as easy as many here seem to think. LA is still a devistating run blocker and he still gets to the second level on a fairly regular basis. He is not what he once was but he is still better than average. So until we have a surefire replacement for him I don't want to cut him and have to take the chance on a project like Peterman.

 

[Doomsday101]

The Original question in this thread was would anyone miss LA if we cut him. To that my answer is that I would miss him greatly if whoever replaced him did not do at least as good a job as LA but would mearly wish him well on his retirement if we could get someone better.

However, I am not convinced that replacing him will be as easy as many here seem to think. LA is still a devistating run blocker and he still gets to the second level on a fairly regular basis. He is not what he once was but he is still better than average. So until we have a surefire replacement for him I don't want to cut him and have to take the chance on a project like Peterman.

Come March 3rd Dallas has to make that choice or else the bonus kicks in. Like you I would miss Larry he has been a part of the team for many years now. I can't honestly say I want to do business the way we have in the past because we did too much of these moves in the past with old players making big money and not getting the production out of them and what it cost us was a few years in cap hell where all we could afford were guys on their last leg I don't want to ever see this team go through that again. As i mention other teams around the league part ways and move on and keep their cap in order and that is what I expect out of this team. I don't think it will always be easy but I think it is what is in the overall best interest of the team.

 

[Thefourteenthwarrior]

Well, well its clear that this doomsday 101 guy and the donkey punch guy are drinking buddies.

All this talk of getting rid of larry allen is ridiculous. Yes he's scheduled to make a lot this year but last i knew jerry jones was paying that bill, not the fans. Secondly these guys are probably the same guys that were ready for troy and emmitt to go for financial reasons. While troy may have had some medical problems he still wanted to play, we had no one else ready and we still haven't found our next franchise qb (however i do love the bledsoe pickup recently) as for emmitt thats a lot closer to the larry allen situation. We cut emmitt smith because of the cap figure and had no one to replace him and even worse, emmitt said we had be the backup to someone if they were better than him. Hambrick wasn't, emmitt knew it so he laughed and left, left us with a bum at the rb position. Had he played with us that year alone we would have been a couple of games better then. Bottomline we can't dump larry allen because of his cap number if we have no one to replace him. This line is not that great right now so think what losing larry allen would do to it.

Larry allen is still going to pro bowls, and the coaches and his peers put him there. This donkey punch guy is actually endorsing rob petiti, rob petiti! What the heck is that about. This guy is cheap alright and so is his performance, he is probably a career backup at best. I don't understand this, cheaper doesn't mean better, and everybody knows these nfl contracts are back loaded, so more than likely LA earned this money a couple of years earlier.

As for the doomsday dude, i'd recommend letting stephen jones worry about the salary cap, i'm sure he can handle it. Any body can get somebody for less but if the player is actually worth anything eventually you will have to pay him (i.e. tom brady sixth round draft choice) or i guess if you were in charge doomsday you'd cut him before you have to pay him.

The question of the thread was would you miss larry allen, hell yeah i would. This guy is arguably the best lineman ever, starter at four line positions, pro bowler at three of the four, thats never been done before by anybody, and oh yeah still playing at a pro bowl level if not his own high level of play. You don't just cut a guy like that over money. But if you do just remember thats why the holdouts every year happen, thats why a guy like t.o. finally rears his ugly head. Remember he's a great player but he just wants his money, and probably early in the contract instead of at the end, so some gm like doomsday can't cut him before he gets paid. Peace i'm out.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Hey, hey lets show support for our other L. Allen represented in the Pro Bowl.

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/cheerleaders/nfc

Oh yeah!

Isn't the Panthers cheerleader the one that got in trouble for letting the other cheerleader use her ID?

 

[Doomsday101]

Well, well its clear that this doomsday 101 guy and the donkey punch guy are drinking buddies.

All this talk of getting rid of larry allen is ridiculous. Yes he's scheduled to make a lot this year but last i knew jerry jones was paying that bill, not the fans. Secondly these guys are probably the same guys that were ready for troy and emmitt to go for financial reasons. While troy may have had some medical problems he still wanted to play, we had no one else ready and we still haven't found our next franchise qb (however i do love the bledsoe pickup recently) as for emmitt thats a lot closer to the larry allen situation. We cut emmitt smith because of the cap figure and had no one to replace him and even worse, emmitt said we had be the backup to someone if they were better than him. Hambrick wasn't, emmitt knew it so he laughed and left, left us with a bum at the rb position. Had he played with us that year alone we would have been a couple of games better then. Bottomline we can't dump larry allen because of his cap number if we have no one to replace him. This line is not that great right now so think what losing larry allen would do to it.

Larry allen is still going to pro bowls, and the coaches and his peers put him there. This donkey punch guy is actually endorsing rob petiti, rob petiti! What the heck is that about. This guy is cheap alright and so is his performance, he is probably a career backup at best. I don't understand this, cheaper doesn't mean better, and everybody knows these nfl contracts are back loaded, so more than likely LA earned this money a couple of years earlier.

As for the doomsday dude, i'd recommend letting stephen jones worry about the salary cap, i'm sure he can handle it. Any body can get somebody for less but if the player is actually worth anything eventually you will have to pay him (i.e. tom brady sixth round draft choice) or i guess if you were in charge doomsday you'd cut him before you have to pay him.

The question of the thread was would you miss larry allen, hell yeah i would. This guy is arguably the best lineman ever, starter at four line positions, pro bowler at three of the four, thats never been done before by anybody, and oh yeah still playing at a pro bowl level if not his own high level of play. You don't just cut a guy like that over money. But if you do just remember thats why the holdouts every year happen, thats why a guy like t.o. finally rears his ugly head. Remember he's a great player but he just wants his money, and probably early in the contract instead of at the end, so some gm like doomsday can't cut him before he gets paid. Peace i'm out.

BS yes team do and they do it every year which is why so many teams were able to avoid being in cap hell while we sat in it for years having to deal with rejects like Ryan Leaf because he came cheap. If there is any drinking going on I would swear it is on people like you that put loyalty of what a player did in the past over what is best for the team. As for Pro Bowl give me a break many players who have been playing in the Pro Bowl the last few years have no business playing it but once the NFL allowed fan voting it turned into nothing more than a popularity contest so don't hand me this Pro Bowl crud. As for your comment on Aikman yes it did hurt that we continue to extend his contract and were forced to count him against our cap 2 years after he has already hung them up and Troy. Troy was not taking pay cuts he was restructuring his contract so he still got the money he was do and we just added years to it which did hurt and Troy was not the only player we did that with. Prior to the cap I would not care if we kept old players or not but the reality is we are in an era of the cap and the moves you make has a big effect on the team and what they can do regarding keeping other players.

 

[Thefourteenthwarrior]

For all your problems with the salary cap it really sounds more like you're questioning the decisions made in FA and the draft. Acquiring younger players who can contribute and play at a high level is important and we haven't been very good at that either. But so far only one team has and thats the new england patriots and i believe its because they know what they are looking for in terms of players and personalities that fit their scheme and organization. But i gotta ask you this, based on the way you think, i believe as a new england fan you would have cut a player like willie mcginest a long time ago. He's not the beast he once was, but he is clearly still productive (i. e. 4 sacks in a playoff game this year) so while his play has fallen off somewhat he still gives that team production and that is still valuable to any team. Thats all i'm saying in reference to larry allen, do i hope he takes a cut yes i do, but even if he's not i would still not like to see him go, especially with whats left on the o-line. Indecision at the center position a horrible option at RT a RG with a bad back (who we should have never picked up in the first place) and a LT who probably won't be here for most of training camp and possibly the opener, so i ask you do you think we can still "afford" to part ways with larry allen?

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

For all your problems with the salary cap it really sounds more like you're questioning the decisions made in FA and the draft. Acquiring younger players who can contribute and play at a high level is important and we haven't been very good at that either. But so far only one team has and thats the new england patriots and i believe its because they know what they are looking for in terms of players and personalities that fit their scheme and organization. But i gotta ask you this, based on the way you think, i believe as a new england fan you would have cut a player like willie mcginest a long time ago. He's not the beast he once was, but he is clearly still productive (i. e. 4 sacks in a playoff game this year) so while his play has fallen off somewhat he still gives that team production and that is still valuable to any team. Thats all i'm saying in reference to larry allen, do i hope he takes a cut yes i do, but even if he's not i would still not like to see him go, especially with whats left on the o-line. Indecision at the center position a horrible option at RT a RG with a bad back (who we should have never picked up in the first place) and a LT who probably won't be here for most of training camp and possibly the opener, so i ask you do you think we can still "afford" to part ways with larry allen?

New England also doesn't overpay it's players. They bring in guys who work well as a team and they don't break the bank doing it.

Had he played with us that year alone we would have been a couple of games better then

And just what did Emmitt do for the Cardinals? Oh, that's right. Big Roy laid a huge *** hit on him and put him out. Emmitt didn't help the Cardinals out any more than you or I did.

This guy is arguably the best lineman ever, starter at four line positions, pro bowler at three of the four, thats never been done before by anybody, and oh yeah still playing at a pro bowl level if not his own high level of play. You don't just cut a guy like that over money

No arguing that he is the best lineman ever. But, this is a business, too. If you can't see that 14th Warrior 1/2, then I am very glad that you are not Stephen Jones and we don't have to rely on your heartstring reaction to running a business.

 

[boysfanindc]

Listen in my mind this is a question of money. If LA's cap hit was $3M next year would we even be having this discussion?

Is LA the same player he was 5 years ago? Obviously he is not, but he is still better then the vast majority of guards in the league.

So again in my mind it is about money and I think the decision on whether LA comes back or not is more in LA's court then the Cowboys.

I highly doubt the Cowboys would be willing to pay full fare for next year, unless they think they can make a run.

It is more about will LA be willing to restructure in a way the team can live with this and future years.

But make no mistake about it if LA hits the market he will be heavily pursued.

But bottom line no guard in the league is worth $8M a year, you just don't pay guards that type of money.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Listen in my mind this is a question of money. If LA's cap hit was $3M next year would we even be having this discussion?

Is LA the same player he was 5 years ago? Obviously he is not, but he is still better then the vast majority of guards in the league.

So again in my mind it is about money and I think the decision on whether LA comes back or not is more in LA's court then the Cowboys.

I highly doubt the Cowboys would be willing to pay full fare for next year, unless they think they can make a run.

It is more about will LA be willing to restructure in a way the team can live with this and future years.

But make no mistake about it if LA hits the market he will be heavily pursued.

Thank you. Someone with business sense comes on board.

It's not about whether or not I want LA here. As a fan, he is the best ever and I'd love to see him stay.... but not at the price he's scheduled to earn this year.

Talking about the great ones, Troy Aikman understood that to get better, he needed to restructure his contract to help make the team better. Hopefully LA will see it that way.

If he restructures, I'm all for having him on the team. If he doesn't... it was a nice ride.

 

[tm1119]

Theres no way we can just cut LA. hes apart of the franchise. First we cut Emmitt and if we cut LA what will that make the Cowboys look like? will players still want to come here knowing they could be cut at any time?

plus name a better G that we have a chance at getting. Theres very few people there, and we cant afford to make our O-Line even worse to save a mil or 2.

 

[Doomsday101]

Thank you. Someone with business sense comes on board.

It's not about whether or not I want LA here. As a fan, he is the best ever and I'd love to see him stay.... but not at the price he's scheduled to earn this year.

Talking about the great ones, Troy Aikman understood that to get better, he needed to restructure his contract to help make the team better. Hopefully LA will see it that way.

If he restructures, I'm all for having him on the team. If he doesn't... it was a nice ride.

I think it has to be a cut in pay, to add any years to make the hit smaller this season I think is still a mistake. Also if we were talking about a player who had 3 or 4 good years I would have no problem with Allen returning but this is not the case. I also do not agree that he is still one of the better gaurds in the league

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Theres no way we can just cut LA. hes apart of the franchise. First we cut Emmitt and if we cut LA what will that make the Cowboys look like? will players still want to come here knowing they could be cut at any time?

(10 years down the road) Hey guys, I know LA is only in his mid 40s, uses a Hov-around to get from the sideline to the huddle and carries a protable oxygen tank, but he's THE franchise now. Let's keep him. It might take a while for him to break huddle, but man what a player. So what if we're paying him $33.6666 million this season. We can't cut Larry.

 

[Doomsday101]

Theres no way we can just cut LA. hes apart of the franchise. First we cut Emmitt and if we cut LA what will that make the Cowboys look like? will players still want to come here knowing they could be cut at any time?

plus name a better G that we have a chance at getting. Theres very few people there, and we cant afford to make our O-Line even worse to save a mil or 2.

Why would that keep players from coming here? Every other team does the same thing it is called cap management. If there was no cap this would not be as big of an issue but the fact there is one and it poses a real dilemma between loyalty and what is best for the team. I would have thought after finally getting out of salary cap hell a couple of years ago that fans would not want to see a return to the same old crud of overpaying players who are well beyond their prime.