Would it help this team if they were treated like the team they actually resemble, the Detroit Lions?

[Acceptablename]

Jerry makes sure this team remains revenue relevant and therefore the Cowboys remain in the sports media.

You can't find any sports show that covers the NFL, where Dallas doesn't have an entire segment devoted to them.

Do you ever see the Detroit Lions covered like that? No. Yet, the Cowboys are playoff r

Until the Jones focus on championships and less on the bottom line, count on 30+ years of "good enough."

The Lions will be better than the Cowboys because they fight harder

 

[BoyzBlaster]

No, we are well aware of this. It's just that, you embrace the hate. They only hate us because regardless of how long ago, our legacy is still great compared to most teams. I do admit, the football culture and passion from fans borders on being delusional and sociopathic, maybe even some borderline traits and gaslighting, which Jerry I think Jerry is wise to avoid altogether. But that's what being a fan is about anyway. For many, at least.

Yeah, I know. Shut up and win. The fact Jerry can at least keep you coming back with hope after all these years of pinche nada, says a lot about the job he's been doing lately, I think.

Not perfect, like missing the Watt pick. But aside from that, he's been pretty solid in recent years, despite his age. If you can't give it up for a guy at that stage in his life, you might be a hater.

Respectfully this attitude is part of why people clown us. You have this idea that other fans are jealous of our legacy. Believe me - they totally aren't. It's ancient history for everyone but old time Cowboys fans. It's like the Packers being great under Lombardi. It's actually less relevant than ancient history because most younger fans don't even know who Staubach or Jimmy Johnson are other than Johnson is this really really old guy on the pre-game. They see us as a franchise that has completely lost it's way and is hopelessly out to sea, but still has an inflated opinion of itself and has delusions that it still thinks it's on top. And it's constantly shoved in their faces because of the media coverage the Cowboys receive. It all adds up to the average NFL fan enjoying seeing us get knocked down a peg, humiliated, etc.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

No, we are well aware of this. It's just that, you embrace the hate. They only hate us because regardless of how long ago, our legacy is still great compared to most teams. I do admit, the football culture and passion from fans borders on being delusional and sociopathic, maybe even some borderline traits and gaslighting, which Jerry I think Jerry is wise to avoid altogether. But that's what being a fan is about anyway. For many, at least.

Yeah, I know. Shut up and win. The fact Jerry can at least keep you coming back with hope after all these years of pinche nada, says a lot about the job he's been doing lately, I think.

Not perfect, like missing the Watt pick. But aside from that, he's been pretty solid in recent years, despite his age. If you can't give it up for a guy at that stage in his life, you might be a hater.

No they don't hate us for our legacy anymore. Nobody cares about that except Cowboy fans that live in the past. And I'm one of them. They hate us because good or bad the media talks about us constantly even though we haven't won anything in 30 years. More and more people don't even remember when this team was great.

 

[Sydla]

The Lions haven't even won a playoff game since 1991. Ironically they beat us.

Delete this thread.

LOL.

The Cowboys are WAYYYYYYY closer to the Lions and Commanders in terms of playoff success than they are of the Chiefs or Eagles or Rams or Falcons or just about any other team. That's how inept they have been.

Well the Browns have kind of sucked too. So that's our company, Ken. Deny it all you want, but right now, when you look at Jerry's control over the last 25 years, the Cowboys peers are the likes of the Lions and Commanders and Browns.

 

[Sydla]

we are no where near close to the detroit lions lets just stop that right now

we are like the San Diego Chargers.....or more recently the Buffalo Bills

win games make the playoffs and pretty much go out in the second round or the first

but lets not compare ourselves to Detroit who hasnt won a playoff game since 1991

The Chargers aren't much better than the Lions. Chargers only have 5 playoff wins in 25 years. Same wiht us.

 

[Ken]

LOL.

The Cowboys are WAYYYYYYY closer to the Lions and Commanders in terms of playoff success than they are of the Chiefs or Eagles or Rams or Falcons or just about any other team. That's how inept they have been.

Well the Browns have kind of sucked too. So that's our company, Ken. Deny it all you want, but right now, when you look at Jerry's control over the last 25 years, the Cowboys peers are the likes of the Lions and Commanders and Browns.

Delusional.

Ya, a team that hasn't won a playoff game and has a 0 win season is closer to Dallas.

You guys are incessantly horrible fans.

 

[khiladi]

Jerry has his hands in multiple teams profits, including box seats of various arenas that aren’t the Cowboys. If the guy was as good a GM as he is a businessman, we’d win about 4 SBs a decade.

 

[Sydla]

Delusional.

Ya, a team that hasn't won a playoff game and has a 0 win season is closer to Dallas.

You guys are incessantly horrible fans.

No the problem is you who thinks the Cowboys are more successful than they actually have been.

Since 2000, the Cowboys have 4 playoff wins. 4. The Eagles have 16, for comparison. The Packers have 14. The Seahawks have 14. There are 12 teams that have double digit playoff wins over that stretch.

The bottom 8 teams are:

Lions - 0
Browns - 1
Commanders - 1
Dolphins - 1
Bears - 3
Raiders - 3
Cowboys - 4
Bills - 4
Jags - 4
Texasn - 4

Great company right there. The Bills only really started to play well over the last few years (tied to the emergence of their QB).

Going further, when you look at winning percentage over that period, Dallas is even worse:

32 - Lions - .000
30(t) - Commanders - .167
30(t) - Dolphins - .167
29 - Cowboys - .308
28 - Bears - .333

So yeah. The Cowboys company over since 2000 is basically the dregs of the league over that period. But keep trying to convince yourself that we somehow are operating amongst the best (or even the average teams) over that period. Jerry's reign as GM has been quite an inept endeavor when you look at the Cowboys' postseasons relative to their peers.

 

[Ken]

No the problem is you who thinks the Cowboys are more successful than they actually have been.

Since 2000, the Cowboys have 4 playoff wins. 4. The Eagles have 16, for comparison. The Packers have 14. The Seahawks have 14. There are 12 teams that have double digit playoff wins over that stretch.

The bottom 8 teams are:

Lions - 0
Browns - 1
Commanders - 1
Dolphins - 1
Bears - 3
Raiders - 3
Cowboys - 4
Bills - 4
Jags - 4
Texasn - 4

Great company right there. The Bills only really started to play well over the last few years (tied to the emergence of their QB).

Going further, when you look at winning percentage over that period, Dallas is even worse:

32 - Lions - .000
30(t) - Commanders - .167
30(t) - Dolphins - .167
29 - Cowboys - .308
28 - Bears - .333

So yeah. The Cowboys company over since 2000 is basically the dregs of the league over that period. But keep trying to convince yourself that we somehow are operating amongst the best (or even the average teams) over that period. Jerry's reign as GM has been quite an inept endeavor when you look at the Cowboys' postseasons relative to their peers.

4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>0

Yes, Now do the Span over the last 10 years or since 2004 so we can avoid 3 straight 5-11 seasons. Those three seasons plus seasons we lost our starting qb drag our percentages and playoff appearances/wins.

I know that is too obvious and it must just be we are the Lions.

 

[doomsday9084]

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-playoff-wins-since-1996

Here is your stats since 1996. Not sure it includes this year but I would say there is a true bottom tier of Cleveland, Washington and Detroit.

Dallas is in the second worst tier with teams like the Chargers, Raiders, Texans, etc.

 

[Sydla]

4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>0

Yes, Now do the Span over the last 10 years or since 2004 so we can avoid 3 straight 5-11 seasons. Those three seasons plus seasons we lost our starting qb drag our percentages and playoff appearances/wins.

I know that is too obvious and it must just be we are the Lions.

LOL. When the better teams are winning 16, 14, 13, 12 playoff games in the same stretch, four wins is a lot closer to zero and the bottom of the barrel than the other direction.

They have the 4th worst postseason winning percentage over that period. You are embarrassing yourself at this point.

And your "now do this" analysis is weak because then we'd have to adjust for every team that lost a QB for a season or two, etc. The 2000 start date came directly from a website that tracked teams postseason success since 2000.

At the end of the day, if you want to throw a hissy fit over being compared to the Lions, have at it. It's semantics. This franchise has been one of the bottom third worst postseason teams since Jerry took over as the GM full time and his Jimmy/Jerry collaboration team fell apart. Anyone denying that is just being foolish or a homer............. or both.

 

[Sydla]

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-playoff-wins-since-1996

Here is your stats since 1996. Not sure it includes this year but I would say there is a true bottom tier of Cleveland, Washington and Detroit.

Dallas is in the second worst tier with teams like the Chargers, Raiders, Texans, etc.

Using Ken's 2004 date, the Cowboys are still not anywhere near the bottom both in total wins and winning percentage.

Going back the last 10 seasons, the Cowboys are still in the bottom half of the league.

Slice the timing anyway you want, the Cowboys have been an inept postseason team during Jerry's reign as GM.

 

[Ken]

LOL. When the better teams are winning 16, 14, 13, 12 playoff games in the same stretch, four wins is a lot closer to zero and the bottom of the barrel than the other direction.

They have the 4th worst postseason winning percentage over that period. You are embarrassing yourself at this point.

And your "now do this" analysis is weak because then we'd have to adjust for every team that lost a QB for a season or two, etc. The 2000 start date came directly from a website that tracked teams postseason success since 2000.

At the end of the day, if you want to throw a hissy fit over being compared to the Lions, have at it. It's semantics. This franchise has been one of the bottom third worst postseason teams since Jerry took over as the GM full time and his Jimmy/Jerry collaboration team fell apart. Anyone denying that is just being foolish or a homer............. or both.

Ya, I'M embarrassing myself.

Lordy.

Carry on with your miserable conversations. I think I will bow out of these ridiculous, miserable, and pathetic threads from now on.

 

[GMO415]

The Lions will be better than the Cowboys because they fight harder

They are on the right trajectory. DAL not so much.

 

[Robbieac]

No the problem is you who thinks the Cowboys are more successful than they actually have been.

Since 2000, the Cowboys have 4 playoff wins. 4. The Eagles have 16, for comparison. The Packers have 14. The Seahawks have 14. There are 12 teams that have double digit playoff wins over that stretch.

The bottom 8 teams are:

Lions - 0
Browns - 1
Commanders - 1
Dolphins - 1
Bears - 3
Raiders - 3
Cowboys - 4
Bills - 4
Jags - 4
Texasn - 4

Great company right there. The Bills only really started to play well over the last few years (tied to the emergence of their QB).

Going further, when you look at winning percentage over that period, Dallas is even worse:

32 - Lions - .000
30(t) - Commanders - .167
30(t) - Dolphins - .167
29 - Cowboys - .308
28 - Bears - .333

So yeah. The Cowboys company over since 2000 is basically the dregs of the league over that period. But keep trying to convince yourself that we somehow are operating amongst the best (or even the average teams) over that period. Jerry's reign as GM has been quite an inept endeavor when you look at the Cowboys' postseasons relative to their peers.

Great post and information!

It would be funny, if it weren't true.

 

[Sydla]

Ya, I'M embarrassing myself.

Lordy.

Carry on with your miserable conversations. I think I will bow out of these ridiculous, miserable, and pathetic threads from now on.

You are the type of fan that just struggles to have to admit some harsh realities that face your favorite team.

The sad reality is that the Dallas Cowboys is a bottom third of the league team in terms of postseason success since the Switzer team won a SB in 1995 and Jerry was then steering the ship all by himself. No matter how you slice the data, whether you look at 25 year or 20 years or 15 years or 10 years............ the Cowboys always are in the bottom third of the league in terms of postseason wins/winning percentage.

These are just facts. You can't deny them. But fans like you sure do try.

 

[Ken]

You are the type of fan that just struggles to have to admit some harsh realities that face your favorite team.

The sad reality is that the Dallas Cowboys is a bottom third of the league team in terms of postseason success since the Switzer team won a SB in 1995 and Jerry was then steering the ship all by himself. No matter how you slice the data, whether you look at 25 year or 20 years or 15 years or 10 years............ the Cowboys always are in the bottom third of the league in terms of postseason wins/winning percentage.

These are just facts. You can't deny them. But fans like you sure do try.

Sad reality is framing the data to suit your argument.

Last 10 years, 8th in the league in wins (Philly is 11th) and around middle of the pack in playoff wins.

Lions at bottom of both.

Try again.

 

[Sydla]

Sad reality is framing the data to suit your argument.

Last 10 years, 8th in the league in wins (Philly is 11th) and around middle of the pack in playoff wins.

Lions at bottom of both.

Try again.

You got me. They are dead in the middle in playoff wins in the last 10 years.

The fact you think this somehow changes the discussion is hilarious, but telling.

I mean is this really what you can hang your hat on in this entire discussion? Sorry guys, you are wrong, they are dead in the middle in playoff wins over the last 10 years!

 

[Ken]

You got me. They are dead in the middle in playoff wins in the last 10 years.

The fact you think this somehow changes the discussion is hilarious, but telling.

I mean is this really what you can hang your hat on in this entire discussion? Sorry guys, you are wrong, they are dead in the middle in playoff wins over the last 10 years!

Somehow playoff wins are the only thing that matters to you. Somehow have 4 vs 0 is somehow comparable to you.

Regular season wins since 2000 the Cowboys are 11th in the NFL. The Lions are 2nd to last.

That doesn't matter though.....somehow.

We are all disappointed in our playoff lack of success but we don't need to be extreme to make silly points.

 

[Sydla]

Somehow playoff wins are the only thing that matters to you. Somehow have 4 vs 0 is somehow comparable to you.

Regular season wins since 2000 the Cowboys are 11th in the NFL. The Lions are 2nd to last.

That doesn't matter though.....somehow.

We are all disappointed in our playoff lack of success but we don't need to be extreme to make silly points.

Playoff wins/success are the only thing that matters to most fans when viewing the success of a franchise. How many Cowboys fans consider that 13 win season a few years ago one of their great, all time seasons? Not many, if any. Why? Because they got dumped in the first round.

Playoff success is the only real barometer of where a franchise is.

Regular season wins? The Cowboys have 94 wins over the last 10 years. The Eagles 92. Is anyone gonna try to argue that we've been a more successful franchise over the last decade. The 49ers have 79 wins over the last 10 years. Anyone going to argue we've been more successful than them over the last decade?

There is nothing extreme about our position here. The Cowboys have literally been one of the worst postseason teams over the last two decades. If you shrink it to the last decade, great, they are middle of the pack. Pop the champagne.