Would real grass cause less injuries than field turf?

[Shane612]

Come on. That’s not even a rebuttal. I shouldn’t have replied.

But here I am.

Feel free to tell us about the delicate flavor of the boot leather worn by our corporate overlords.

Vote for the next bond package that sacrifices police, teachers and medical care so that we can get a new stadium with more insanely priced tickets and another level of suites.

You sound bitter.
Don't be envious of other people's money

 

[blueblood70]

What is the argument for turf though?

Because owners spend less money?

Data being equal, give me grass.

Don't care about data from a far perspective.
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I care about there's been I'm sure much much bigger investigations, research, test etc into this by the league and the owners and this has nothing to do with money at all....​

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You act like these owners don't spend money on these extravagant stadiums and all this other stuff for the players especially Jerry and everyone else but there are far too many indoor stadiums now you cannot put grass in there.​

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Also it's almost impossible to maintain grass even on some of the outdoor stadiums to a point where you can keep it actually well-groomed and ready to play without potholes, mud tearing up of all the grass... I mean we've seen that stuff in San Francisco we've seen the frozen tundra we've seen much more dangerous grass fields because of the elements being able to destroy it and make it impossible people slipping falling I mean come on dude give it a break I'm tired of hearing about it there are much smarter people that put much more effort and time behind the scenes in doing research on this than you then fancy a guy get hurt dancy players overreact to someone getting hurt and really there is no doubt that to support it either way...​

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By the way how big is story and nonsense and overreactions last year's Super Bowl about how bad the turf was??​

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From what I'm reading it was actually real grass it was a bland they gave the guys real grass..​

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The turf is Tahoma 31 and it's among the newer breeds of grass that have been developed with the funding of the United States Golf Association. Tahoma 31 is a mix of two types of Bermuda grasses and rye grass, and it was developed at Oklahoma State University under the watchful eye of Dr. Yanqi Wu. He started the process of creating Tahoma 31 in 2006, when he crossed China Bermuda grass and African Bermuda grass. A year later, the seeds were harvested and the grass was tested and studied all over the country until 2018.​

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How'd that work out bro?? Seriously I mean we've seen championship games in San Francisco and other places with bad grass because of the elements that made some difference as much as some people around here complaining about the light coming through the glass at AT&T like it's some big deal and affecting so many games I'm telling you that and people are overreacting to this field turf..​

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They played on far worse fields in the 70s with the astroturf and all the other stuff that was developed in between.. And yet less of a big deal was made about injuries look players are getting bigger stronger and faster and they're just getting hurt and that you can't blame the grass it's part of the sport people have blown Achilles out on all surfaces people have blown ACL's out on all surfaces..​

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Now back to talking about football instead of grass versus turf... Which by the way again I believe the league and the owners have spent far much more money and time and research into this than you or any other fan could possibly do..​

 

[Smith22]

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Also it's almost impossible to maintain grass even on some of the outdoor stadiums to a point where you can keep it actually well-groomed and ready to play​

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Hmm. You should tell the premiere league in soccer this news. Pretty sure every team is required to use grass at their stadiums and they play from September thru May.

 

[erod]

Here's a micro study of my own.

Daughter played club soccer growing up. 99% of the games were on grass. 1% on turf.

The girls all played on their respective high school teams as well. Those were ALL on turf.

Our team suffered 8 ACL tears combined during the high school years.

7 of those 8 were on turf.

 

[blueblood70]

Hmm. You should tell the premiere league in soccer this news. Pretty sure every team is required to use grass at their stadiums and they play from September thru May.

i don't know if you noticed this but we debating real football versus the other football and for sure the NFL did research and that they have to match with their situations. and all the owners did enough research to conclude its not as big a deal as it's being made into.. so, let's move on i'm not talking about soccer here.

 

[erod]

i don't know if you noticed this but we debating real football versus the other football and for sure the NFL did research and that they have to match with their situations. and all the owners did enough research to conclude its not as big a deal as it's being made into.. so, let's move on i'm not talking about soccer here.

Ok, let's make it simple then.

Every player in the NFL was wants to play on grass because of injuries, except for kickers.

Every. Single. One.

Is that a coincidence?

 

[Smith22]

i don't know if you noticed this but we debating real football versus the other football and for sure the NFL did research and that they have to match with their situations. and all the owners did enough research to conclude its not as big a deal as it's being made into.. so, let's move on i'm not talking about soccer here.

You clearly stated "its nearly impossible to maintain grass, even on some outdoor stadiums."

I simply provided you facts to let you know another other league manages just fine. Then you switched the argument.

You could've just admitted you were wrong. Carry on.

 

[blueblood70]

You clearly stated "its nearly impossible to maintain grass, even on some outdoor stadiums."

I simply provided you facts to let you know another other league manages just fine. Then you switched the argument.

You could've just admitted you were wrong. Carry on.

clammed up and not tried to debate the mls & not talking about soccer.

i don't care. I'm not willing to debate another sport while we're trying to talk about the NFL.. admit i'm wrong when i'm not?lol ? umm ok your ego is obviously bigger than thi....handle because you think you're right..

 

[Smith22]

clammed up and not tried to debate the mls & not talking about soccer.

i don't care. I'm not willing to debate another sport while we're trying to talk about the NFL.. admit i'm wrong when i'm not?lol ? umm ok your ego is obviously bigger than thi....handle because you think you're right..

MLS? Ok. Clearly reading isn't your strong suit. Never mind.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I think grass is the way to go but Rodgers injury was not surface related in my opinion.

There was word that he still had a calf strain...which may have contributed. Iyt was also noted that Rodgers planted that tow...and in grass it may have slid or bounced (divot?) instead of chisel plant into the hard surface.

Regarding studies....I did hear this morning 69% more injuries on turf. The players union wants grass. It's "more expensive" (though I hear 700 million?) to have grass.

Interestingly enough....studies seem to be rare about it...as if a certain entity doesn;t want anyone to know.

"Background: No study has provided a comprehensive systematic review of sports injuries on artificial turf versus natural grass."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35593739/

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Ok, let's make it simple then.

Every player in the NFL was wants to play on grass because of injuries, except for kickers.

Every. Single. One.

Is that a coincidence?

Yep!
(er I mean NO! )

Er....you are correct!

https://nflpa.com/posts/only-natural-grass-can-level-the-nfls-playing-field

 

[G2]

This particular injury was more about the weight on his back.

 

[acr731]

There was word that he still had a calf strain...which may have contributed. Iyt was also noted that Rodgers planted that tow...and in grass it may have slid or bounced (divot?) instead of chisel plant into the hard surface.

Regarding studies....I did hear this morning 69% more injuries on turf. The players union wants grass. It's "more expensive" (though I hear 700 million?) to have grass.

Interestingly enough....studies seem to be rare about it...as if a certain entity doesn;t want anyone to know.

"Background: No study has provided a comprehensive systematic review of sports injuries on artificial turf versus natural grass."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35593739/

How many billions is Jerry worth? What is his Forbes ranking? He can easily afford the 700 mil. It would be like digging into his piggy bank for a handful of quarters.

Personally, I think injuries are going to happen no matter what the surface is. But if I were in position to make a decision for the Dallas Cowboys, I would retrofit Jerry World to have a surface like they have in Arizona - roll it out for the sunshine and watering, then roll it back in for games. Sure, the initial cost would be way up there, but the benefits in the end might make up for it.

 

[Reid1boys]

Come on. That’s not even a rebuttal. I shouldn’t have replied.

But here I am.

Feel free to tell us about the delicate flavor of the boot leather worn by our corporate overlords.

Vote for the next bond package that sacrifices police, teachers and medical care so that we can get a new stadium with more insanely priced tickets and another level of suites.

Bonds add to taxes, they dont diminish the money available for police.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

how hard could it be to grow grass indoors?

It takes three Aggies to water a square patch of em.

 

[Reid1boys]

How many billions is Jerry worth? What is his Forbes ranking? He can easily afford the 700 mil. It would be like digging into his piggy bank for a handful of quarters.

Personally, I think injuries are going to happen no matter what the surface is. But if I were in position to make a decision for the Dallas Cowboys, I would retrofit Jerry World to have a surface like they have in Arizona - roll it out for the sunshine and watering, then roll it back in for games. Sure, the initial cost would be way up there, but the benefits in the end might make up for it.

Have you been to AT&T? First off the stadium wasnt designed to roll grass in and out, so would it even be possible to do that kind of alteration to the stadium? Where are they gonna roll it to? Both sides of the stadium are used. Both sides are used to enter and exit, both sides are used by fans before and after games. The stadium is multipurpose. Concerts, rodeos, rasslin.... that thing doesnt just sit there.

Sorry, I dont buy into the argument that turf causes more injuries. I linked to a study above. It isnt significant enough IMO. I will say those rubber pellets do suck though. In the heat, they STINK big time.

 

[Mountaineerfan]

They already did that. Just painted it green. Vet stadium in Filthy was the worst.

Didn't Eric Williams or Larry Allen hit a defender possibly Seth Joyner so hard he blew both his legs on the same play? I was a lot younger so I could simply be remembering wrong.

 

[The Quest for Six]

it's not the turf that's the problem, it's the footwear....

 

[jazzcat22]

Here's a micro study of my own.

Daughter played club soccer growing up. 99% of the games were on grass. 1% on turf.

The girls all played on their respective high school teams as well. Those were ALL on turf.

Our team suffered 8 ACL tears combined during the high school years.

7 of those 8 were on turf.

Sometimes, many times, injuries just happen. Not turf or grass related. Maybe they needed a better trainer.

 

[jazzcat22]

Didn't Eric Williams or Larry Allen hit a defender possibly Seth Joyner so hard he blew both his legs on the same play? I was a lot younger so I could simply be remembering wrong.

I think Eric Williams did that to a SF player. But could have been an Eagles player as well.
He had a club move that just demolished the DE or DT.