Would you bench Leary or Bernadeau?

[jnday]

Didn't say that our oline is complete. But its way more complete then our Dline. Right now the Dline is our most glaring weakness and if we fail to take care of that in this draft we can consider ourselves once again one of the worst defenses in the league. Sure its good to take the BPA if its warranted. But what if the BPA is a linebacker or even a runningback? Do you still opt to take him? I would say not.

Martin doesn't really fill a need except for a glorified pass protector. We don't run the ball that much so what good is he? Many other guards can fill in his position just fine and thus his nothing more than a luxury pick which would leave us with the same glaring holes we have one defense. Fixing the dline is not only a necessity right now. Its the most obvious choice with our 1st rounder.

Yeah, you take the RB or LB before you reach to pick a DL. Reaching will get some sure second or third round talent with a first round pick. The DL needs talent, but reaching for it in the draft is not going to do anything but hurt the team as a whole. This is a very deep draft except for the DL positions. There is no need to draft a second round talent DL at 16 when there is much better value at another position. The DL will not be fixed in one draft anyway .

 

[Doomsday101]

If Martin/some other guard is taken in the first 3 rounds which guard does he take out? I didn't think the guards were terrible last year but I haven't watched any of the games this offseason to reevaluate.

I don't know I would have them compete in camp and play the guys who do the most. I'm funny that way, they are all Cowboys and I have nothing personal aginst any of them so go out compete and may the best man win.

 

[Crown Royal]

They both played adequately, but with injury concerns and lack of consistent excellence, no way are either guard positions locked. In fact, the only two line positions which should be secure are LT and C right now.

 

[xwalker]

If Martin/some other guard is taken in the first 3 rounds which guard does he take out? I didn't think the guards were terrible last year but I haven't watched any of the games this offseason to reevaluate.

Leary and Bern were both playing well by the end of the season. Leary was better overall than Bern. Leary is more powerful and has more natural talent.

Leary was better than Fred in some games that I analyzed. He had as close to a perfect game as I've seen from an OLineman last year. I believe that it was the 2nd Commanders game.

Answer: Unless they draft a Guard in the 1st round, I don't think either gets replaced initially. The Cowboys are in desperate need of backup Guards.

 

[Doomsday101]

One thing for sure if Dallas takes Martin in the 1st rd all the talk about Dallas not taking OL will not hold water any longer. 2011 (Tryon Smith) 2013 (Frederick) 2014 (Martin) 3 1st rd picks on your OL. Kind of like that.

 

[Eddie]

Don't know why we would select Martin in the first round. There are other, more pressing needs to trying to replace our guards, which weren't that bad to tend with, and either of our tackles, which I thought did an okay job as well.

If they select Martin with our first pick I will be greatly be disappointed. There are other more pressing needs that need to be fixed and it certainly isn't the Oline.

That's actually a really nice sounding statement ... OL is NOT a pressing need for the first time in years.

 

[burmafrd]

Bernie has been inconsistent his entire career- which was why his first team let him go. He has tremendous physical gifts but mentally he wanders.

Leary was OK for the last par of the season but his knee is a ticking bomb. Pragmatically speaking bench Bernie. Martin by the way was ND's emergency center the last two seasons so techinically he can fill in at all 5 positions on the O line.

Interesting on the Mike & Mike show yesterday Golic said he thought Martin's best positions were either guard and get this CENTER. Not sure why since while Martin has practiced at both he has always been considered to have top potential as a guard.

 

[Parcells4Life]

One thing for sure if Dallas takes Martin in the 1st rd all the talk about Dallas not taking OL will not hold water any longer. 2011 (Tryon Smith) 2013 (Frederick) 2014 (Martin) 3 1st rd picks on your OL. Kind of like that.

That's how SF rebuilt its team. Drafted 2 OL in the 1st round in the same year a couple years ago.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's how SF rebuilt its team. Drafted 2 OL in the 1st round in the same year a couple years ago.

You get no argument from me on this issue. All the weapons in the world do not mean much if the play is being blown up at the line of scrimmage. I still hope to address D line in rd 1 but if those guys are gone then I would gladly take Martin.

 

[jnday]

One thing for sure if Dallas takes Martin in the 1st rd all the talk about Dallas not taking OL will not hold water any longer. 2011 (Tryon Smith) 2013 (Frederick) 2014 (Martin) 3 1st rd picks on your OL. Kind of like that.

It would be sad that they had to invest that many first round picks in that short of a time period when improved scouting, development and wiser use of resources could have prevented it.

 

[Parcells4Life]

It would be sad that they had to invest that many first round picks in that short of a time period when improved scouting, development and wiser use of resources could have prevented it.

Look at the best OLs in the league. There's usually 2-3 1st round picks on each of them. Now using them properly in the 4th quarter to grind away a game like the 90s Cowboys or SF/Seattle does is a different story that goes back to the coaching staff.

 

[xwalker]

That's actually a really nice sounding statement ... OL is NOT a pressing need for the first time in years.

It's not a pressing need for starters, but they have Zero depth at Guard. The only backup Guard on the roster is Chris DeGeare and he has not played since 2010.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think the Cowboys need to draft a Guard and a Tackle. If you could get Martin, that would allow you to probably hold off on taking both in this draft but you need to get one or the other IMO.

Kinda discussed this in another thread but basically, you have next to nothing behind the Starting Guards. Leary is always a risk because of the knee so you really need to have something to fall back on that can give you some productive starts. I fully expect the Cowboys to go out and sign a guy who can start for us after the Draft but you still need to pick up somebody who can step in and play because both players have a history of injuries.

At Tackle, you have Free who is coming up on a contract. We can get by with Free this year but next year, it's a problem. I haven't seen anything from Weems that suggest to me that he is the answer so I don't think we can rely on him. Unless we want to extend Free, I think we have to look at drafting a solid OT prospect. Parnell is the swing and while I think you could use him in a pinch, I don't believe he's a starter for any long period of time. You'd like to be able to upgrade the position if you could. Ju'Waun James is another guy you would like to maybe be there. He has a lot of experience at RT and he has the physical ability to play LT. He could be a guy you can pick up later and develop. There are a few of those guys available. Billy Turner and Brandon Thomas are also options. Would be a real good draft to pick up OL talent that has a lot of position flex.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Look at the best OLs in the league. There's usually 2-3 1st round picks on each of them. Now using them properly in the 4th quarter to grind away a game like the 90s Cowboys or SF/Seattle does is a different story that goes back to the coaching staff.

There was not one first-rounder on the "Great Wall of Dallas".

 

[Doomsday101]

It would be sad that they had to invest that many first round picks in that short of a time period when improved scouting, development and wiser use of resources could have prevented it.

whatever. Fact is they are doing something about it and according to a write up on drafting myths Dallas has done more over the years Jones has been her in terms of OL than most teams but again preception

Myth #2: The Cowboys have neglected drafting offensive linemen.

While it is true that Tyron Smith and Travis Frederick were the first lineman the Cowboys took with their first-round picks since Jerry Jones took over the Cowboys, it doesn't mean they haven't drafted linemen in the other rounds.

In fact, the Cowboys spent 41, or 18%, of their 228 draft picks between 1989 and 2013 on offensive lineman. That percentage is the sixth-highest value of any team in the league. That's another stat that does not sit well with enterprising defenders of the notion that the Cowboys have neglected drafting offensive linemen.


"Man, that's another example of how you can twist stats. Everybody knows that the vast majority of the offensive linemen the Cowboys have drafted were in the later rounds where they are less likely to stick. Don't the names David Arkin, Bill Nagy and Sam Young ring a bell?"

Again, let's limit the analysis to the top three rounds. Of the 85 picks made by the Cowboys in the top three rounds between 1989-2013, 20 were offensive linemen. No team in the league has drafted more offensive linemen in the top three rounds of the draft over that span than the Cowboys. Calculated as a percentage, the Cowboys (23.5%) narrowly rank third in the league behind Miami (23.7%) and Seattle (23.9%) in terms of offensive linemen picked in rounds 1-3.

In the 25 drafts under Jones, the Cowboys have picked at least two offensive lineman in 14 drafts, and did not pick a single lineman only four times.

The Cowboys may not have been particularly good at picking linemen, but they drafted more offensive linemen - with higher picks - than most other teams in the league.


http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014...e-dallas-cowboys-draft-myths-with-a-vengeance

 

[Nova]

Look at the best OLs in the league. There's usually 2-3 1st round picks on each of them. Now using them properly in the 4th quarter to grind away a game like the 90s Cowboys or SF/Seattle does is a different story that goes back to the coaching staff.

Definitely. Because 2013 Dallas OL>2013 Seahawks OL

 

[Doomsday101]

Definitely. Because 2013 Dallas OL>2013 Seahawks OL

Not just that Seahawks and 9ers do not wait until the 4th qrt to so call grind the game away they run the ball consistently through out the game. SF 3rd leading rushing team in NFL, Seahawks 4th. Yet seahawks 26th in passing and SF 30th.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wow. All that time just to cover up your basic grammatical error. If anyone is being the grammar ****, it's you. I just pointed out one of the most basic errors anyone can make because it was so ironic that while you are talking down to somone else here regarding their usage of "whom", you use the possessive pronoun instead of the contraction.

With that, I'll just leave you with this, a simple paragraph I found that explains perfectly the err of your ways. Get over yourself.

"Nothing screams moron more than taking to the streets of a civil society which cherishes free speech, tolerance, and cultural diversity to cheer on terrorists who would impose their medieval ignorance and savagery upon those who pay the dole which supports them. About the only way to plumb an even lower intellectual stratum is to screw up one of the simplest things in English—the distinction between “it's” and “its”—on the signs you brandish before the cameras of the legacy media.

Confusing “its” and “it's” is the signature of moronic writing precisely because it's so simple to get right; anybody who doesn't is either too stupid to learn one of the simplest rules in English writing, or such a slacker they can't be bothered to express their meaning to the audience they address. “Its” is a possessive pronoun: the possessive form of “it” and, as we'll see below, possessive pronounsnever use an apostrophe. “It's” is a contraction of the phrase “it is” (or sometimes “it has”), and contractions always use an apostrophe to indicate the letters omitted when running the two words together. "

https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/apostrophe/

How is pointing out the specific rule trying to cover it up?

How is saying I don't see why people need to judge others on the basis of grammar as long as one is able to communicate being fixated on myself?

Your need to mock me speaks to that thought in a different sense certainly.

I just think it is funny that you are trying to hammer me due to contractions when you cannot even put together the subject of a sentence correctly. It's funny because I do not judge people on such a basis but you do.

 

[burmafrd]

whatever. Fact is they are doing something about it and according to a write up on drafting myths Dallas has done more over the years Jones has been her in terms of OL than most teams but again preception

Myth #2: The Cowboys have neglected drafting offensive linemen.

While it is true that Tyron Smith and Travis Frederick were the first lineman the Cowboys took with their first-round picks since Jerry Jones took over the Cowboys, it doesn't mean they haven't drafted linemen in the other rounds.

In fact, the Cowboys spent 41, or 18%, of their 228 draft picks between 1989 and 2013 on offensive lineman. That percentage is the sixth-highest value of any team in the league. That's another stat that does not sit well with enterprising defenders of the notion that the Cowboys have neglected drafting offensive linemen.


"Man, that's another example of how you can twist stats. Everybody knows that the vast majority of the offensive linemen the Cowboys have drafted were in the later rounds where they are less likely to stick. Don't the names David Arkin, Bill Nagy and Sam Young ring a bell?"

Again, let's limit the analysis to the top three rounds. Of the 85 picks made by the Cowboys in the top three rounds between 1989-2013, 20 were offensive linemen. No team in the league has drafted more offensive linemen in the top three rounds of the draft over that span than the Cowboys. Calculated as a percentage, the Cowboys (23.5%) narrowly rank third in the league behind Miami (23.7%) and Seattle (23.9%) in terms of offensive linemen picked in rounds 1-3.

In the 25 drafts under Jones, the Cowboys have picked at least two offensive lineman in 14 drafts, and did not pick a single lineman only four times.

The Cowboys may not have been particularly good at picking linemen, but they drafted more offensive linemen - with higher picks - than most other teams in the league.


http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014...e-dallas-cowboys-draft-myths-with-a-vengeance

only reason they have picked more is because they refused to pick higher which is why so many of our lower picks were busts- you get a lower hit rate the lower the pick.

That and piss poor picking as well.

If Jerruh and company had bitten the bullet and used higher picks earlier then just maybe the last couple of years of putrid O lines would not have happened.

 

[burmafrd]

There was not one first-rounder on the "Great Wall of Dallas".

so a once in a generation occurrence you expect to happen again. No other really top line was like that. By the way do you know Jerruh well? That was his philosophy on O lines until Tyron and being FORCED to use one.