Would you like to see Drew Bledsoe back next year?

[Zaxor]

An amazing coincidence... Bledsoe has had bad offensive lines for years...the Dallas line that many felt would be strong this year, was awful.

One of the reasons why is because it's EASY for a defense to rush a guy who has the mobility of a fence post. They know where he is going to be. That makes things VERY simple.

And he performed better than I thought he would, so I'm not a basher...but he simply isn't going to make any offensive line look good.

it also makes it a heck of a lot harder on the running game...I have said it before..Bledsoe adds immense pressure to the whole team but especially the o-line

 

[Zaxor]

Let me explain something to you. Please take this in the spirit intended.

This isn't the Patriots or the Bills. We have HIGHER standards than even the Patrots. They are way the hell up there. Let me explain why.

This team was born in 1960. Our first superstar QB was a guy named Don Meredith. Meredith was a tough SOB. He also brought a winner's mentality with him. 6 years into the History of this franchise we were 10-3-1 and playing the Packers for the right to be called the best.

When Meredith retired we were blessed to have this raw kid from Navy named Roger Staubach. 5 of the prime years of his life were devoted to the service of this country. 2 years after we got him we won a Super Bowl, SB VI after being the runner up for V.

Players like Meredith and Staubach had us contending for the right to win it all every year for 20 straight seasons. Yeah, that spoiled us. We won 2 SBs under Staubach and played in 2 more.

I'll tell you what you've been told dozens of times but seemingly can't grasp, that era was not an era of passers with big ratings.

You tell me Drew has better ratings I'll tell you "so the hell what." I don't care. QB rating is the dumbest individual stat ever created. It doesn't fairly measure anything. You want to know how we measure Staubach? It's real easy, he won and won and won and won. Every year the Cowboys were in the picture.

You want to downplay that go ahead, but trust me you don't look smart throwing out your little stats and trying it. 4 Super Bowls and 2 wins plus multiple runs at the playoffs and NFC Championships weigh heavier than 9-7 because of a poor o-line. It just does.

Staubach retired and Danny White kept us winning as part of those 20 years. 20 years of winning Neil. Don't sneeze at that. It's a run you'll never see in the NFL ever again. You want a stat that is monumental? There it is. 20 straight winning seasons.

When Troy Aikman came along we had gone from the top of the mountain to the door mat. He took us back to the top of the mountain 3 times in 4 years and contending 2 or 3 years as well.

Around these parts that is respected, revered, and honored.

You see, I care very little about stats. I care very much about impact. Your guy doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as my 2 guys as far as impact on the game. Gaudy career stats be damned. I'll take the 5 Super Bowls those 2 men brought us over him setting passing records every year and no wins.

9-7 Neil. It is what it is. Part of it is on Drew. Not all of it. Not by a damn site. Part of it is his. He did exactly what his detractors said he would. I like Bledsoe, but I will recognize that he fulfilled the predictions. Even if it chaps your hide.

9-7 isn't good enough. It wouldn't be good enough with Staubach or Aikman either. The difference is they have skins on the wall. Drew doesn't.

Beautiful... it is all about the ring....

One ring to rule them all
One ring to find them
One ring to bring them all
and in the superbowl bind them

 

[juice28]

So what do we do? Seriously, you all make a lot of sense of our problems, but what are our solutions? We're not going to get a QB in the draft with our current position that is going to produce more than Bledsoe. Neither Henson nor Romo can outplay him during training camp; if they did we wouldn't be having this convo. We're not going to be able to trade for a QB more valuable than Drew right now with out giving up a huge piece of the pie. So what do we do? What is our best course of action? Please tell me.
Otherwise, we should improve the O-line (draft, trade, or just get what we have in the weight room more often), stick with Bledsoe, and hope for the best. I'm not a Bledsoe fan, but I don't see how we can drastically change that position. We upgrade from Vinny last year. I don't think a better QB is going to fall into our laps again. Seriously, I agree with you in the problems we have. But I just don't see eye to eye with you on the solutions.

 

[Zaxor]

So what do we do? Seriously, you all make a lot of sense of our problems, but what are our solutions? We're not going to get a QB in the draft with our current position that is going to produce more than Bledsoe. Neither Henson nor Romo can outplay him during training camp; if they did we wouldn't be having this convo. We're not going to be able to trade for a QB more valuable than Drew right now with out giving up a huge piece of the pie. So what do we do? What is our best course of action? Please tell me.
Otherwise, we should improve the O-line (draft, trade, or just get what we have in the weight room more often), stick with Bledsoe, and hope for the best. I'm not a Bledsoe fan, but I don't see how we can drastically change that position. We upgrade from Vinny last year. I don't think a better QB is going to fall into our laps again. Seriously, I agree with you in the problems we have. But I just don't see eye to eye with you on the solutions.

There are a couple of schools of thought on this..

One is you play your young guys and find out if they look to be the answer...

another is to forfeit 2 1st rounders and draft your franchise QB...it is a pretty risky move imho

and still another is via trade...you get more of a known quanity... it is still a risk but not as large (see Favre, Brunnel)

and the last school of thought is to pickup a has-been or never was or a never will be or some one with serious flaws and hope to catch lightning in a bottle...

out of these I would go in the order they were given...

the alternative (the last one) that we took will not get us where we want to be imho

 

[Martice]

So what do we do? Seriously, you all make a lot of sense of our problems, but what are our solutions? We're not going to get a QB in the draft with our current position that is going to produce more than Bledsoe. Neither Henson nor Romo can outplay him during training camp; if they did we wouldn't be having this convo. We're not going to be able to trade for a QB more valuable than Drew right now with out giving up a huge piece of the pie. So what do we do? What is our best course of action? Please tell me.
Otherwise, we should improve the O-line (draft, trade, or just get what we have in the weight room more often), stick with Bledsoe, and hope for the best. I'm not a Bledsoe fan, but I don't see how we can drastically change that position. We upgrade from Vinny last year. I don't think a better QB is going to fall into our laps again. Seriously, I agree with you in the problems we have. But I just don't see eye to eye with you on the solutions.

Question of the Week!! As many holes Drew may have in his game, we actually have the best option with him being here. The only problem I will have with our organization is if we don't make it clear that we have a realistic backup on the team. We either need to draft a true prospect at QB or make it clear that the future starter in QB is already on the team by letting a true competition take place during TC.

What I am totally afraid of next year is that Drew is toast if we don't fix our 'O' line. He is getting older and in a position like QB, at his age, that may not be a good thing. Is he going to be a tad bit slower? Is he going to somehow be able to get the ball out of there quicker next year than he did this year?

O-line! O-line!! O-line!!!! O-line or we are seriously toast because Drew will need protection more next year than he did this year.

 

[iceberg]

I agree. This current line and Bledsoe is not a perfect fit. But a few moderations and a very focused off-season, it could work next season. Bledsoe isn't going anywhere. We have to deal with reality.

how? bp has made 4 draft choices and 1 top flight FA pickup in rivera - none of which are looking good at this point. why is he suddenly going to get it right next year and when ol's take time to gel, no one is putting that into the equation.

 

[Zaxor]

how? bp has made 4 draft choices and 1 top flight FA pickup in rivera - none of which are looking good at this point. why is he suddenly going to get it right next year and when ol's take time to gel, no one is putting that into the equation.

in 1991 a much more mobile QB by the name of Troy Aikman was sacked 11 times in one game....

with these O-lineman

LT Mark Tuinei LG Kevin Gogan C Mark Stepnoski RG John Gesek RT Nate Newton

now the question comes was it the oline that sucked or a young Aikman

 

[Jarv]

in 1991 a much more mobile QB by the name of Troy Aikman was sacked 11 times in one game....

with these O-lineman

LT Mark Tuinei LG Kevin Gogan C Mark Stepnoski RG John Gesek RT Nate Newton

now the question comes was it the oline that sucked or a young Aikman

Great point, at least 3 pro-bowlers on that line. A couple of things...

The offense never really clicked with Shula as the OC. Soon as Norv came on board these also rans became a dynamic force. Just a point of how important coaching is. Now of corse we don't even have an OC on this team, you have to ask yourself why ? Don't ask me because I have no idea why ? BP can't do it all and has to trust the Charlie Weis's of the world and find a top notch OC that he will let manage the offense.

Norve taught the whole offense to work as a unit. Jerry has to force BP to delagate responsibility and find a guy who can do the job, not be a puppet.

Interveiws with the offensive linemen from that age said that Emmitt made them a much better line. Teams could not just tee off (Like we saw in the St. Louis game) because they had to hold gap responsibility. Emmitt would make a player miss or break a tackle, then cut back for a big gain.

JJ could be like that, although he is told to run for the whole and push the pile, not really his strenght. Anyone notice in the Carolina game that with JJ running with more abandon and making cuts, Bledsoe had more time in the pocket ? Was that a coincidence ?

Time in Norv's system taught these players how to play together. Troy knew and trusted his recievers, mainly Mike and Jay would be at a certain spot when he released the ball. The timing offense. Those guys have said numerous times that they could almost make these plays blindfolded. Why, because they were all on the same page.

Blitz them, sure...Hot reads...Communication and repitition between Troy and the recievers. A post or flag route was turned into a quick slant on the pre-play read.

When Mo Carthon came here as the OC in BP's 1st year. Bill would tell the team they would LOVE to see the other team blitz and make them pay for it. Well, that seems to have disappeard since we have no OC now. How many hot reads have you seen Drew make with his recievers ? Oh yeah, teams blitz and if we pick it up, we got one on one situations where we COULD beat the opposing blitz, but not like what you saw with Mike and Troy, changing of the route because of mutual understanding.

You see that now with Peyton, Brady, Brad Johnson this year with the Vikes...Farve when he has HIS recievers. All of this comes from consistancy with a QB and recievers in a system together for a while.

Bledsoe COULD be one of those guys, heck maybe he was with Coates and Glen in NE. Since 2000-2001 until now then he has been on 3 different teams. Since BP has been the coach here we have had 3 different QB's.

Show me the consistancy ?

Now what ? We'll have BP here one more year, playing Bledsoe and who even knows if we'll have an OC...Unbelieveable right ? No but BP is a god and what do I know ?

Then in 2007, no BP and guess what...probably another offensive system implemted by the coach that replaces him. Who will be the QB in 2007 ? Who will be the recievers ? I know, lets start over...AGAIN !!!

BP has always been known for his defensive teams and conservitive offense. Well, he's has really done a fine job rebuilding this defense, I credit him for that.

So I have 2 answers or should I say ideas for 2006. Hang on here folks.

Thank you for the memories BP. We have a great defensive foundation you have built and we get the idea of quality players and character. Thanks for putting Jeff in the head scout position...another brillant move. Now its time to work on our offense and ST.

So, either hire a OC that you will let implement a good system that either fits our current personel or we aquire (draft & FA) players to fit that scheme. But we must implement the sheme and use it for more than one year and let the players become comfortable with it.

Or, its time to just say goodbye and thank you Bill...and bring a long term coach who can grow this team around him.

Until we have consistancy on the offensive side, players playing together in the same scheme and on the same page. We will be inconsistant on the offensive side of the ball. 3 QB's in 3 years does not cut it...Having no OC on this team does not cut it.

Crap or get off the pot BP. Sign that extension, hire an OC you already trust and let HIM run this offense...Or just move on.

No thats all I have to say about that.

 

[Zaxor]

Brilliant Jarv...

You and I see things pretty much the same... Coaching does matter!!!

 

[Juke99]

Great point, at least 3 pro-bowlers on that line. A couple of things...

The offense never really clicked with Shula as the OC. Soon as Norv came on board these also rans became a dynamic force. Just a point of how important coaching is. Now of corse we don't even have an OC on this team, you have to ask yourself why ? Don't ask me because I have no idea why ? BP can't do it all and has to trust the Charlie Weis's of the world and find a top notch OC that he will let manage the offense.

Norve taught the whole offense to work as a unit. Jerry has to force BP to delagate responsibility and find a guy who can do the job, not be a puppet.

Interveiws with the offensive linemen from that age said that Emmitt made them a much better line. Teams could not just tee off (Like we saw in the St. Louis game) because they had to hold gap responsibility. Emmitt would make a player miss or break a tackle, then cut back for a big gain.

JJ could be like that, although he is told to run for the whole and push the pile, not really his strenght. Anyone notice in the Carolina game that with JJ running with more abandon and making cuts, Bledsoe had more time in the pocket ? Was that a coincidence ?

Time in Norv's system taught these players how to play together. Troy knew and trusted his recievers, mainly Mike and Jay would be at a certain spot when he released the ball. The timing offense. Those guys have said numerous times that they could almost make these plays blindfolded. Why, because they were all on the same page.

Blitz them, sure...Hot reads...Communication and repitition between Troy and the recievers. A post or flag route was turned into a quick slant on the pre-play read.

When Mo Carthon came here as the OC in BP's 1st year. Bill would tell the team they would LOVE to see the other team blitz and make them pay for it. Well, that seems to have disappeard since we have no OC now. How many hot reads have you seen Drew make with his recievers ? Oh yeah, teams blitz and if we pick it up, we got one on one situations where we COULD beat the opposing blitz, but not like what you saw with Mike and Troy, changing of the route because of mutual understanding.

You see that now with Peyton, Brady, Brad Johnson this year with the Vikes...Farve when he has HIS recievers. All of this comes from consistancy with a QB and recievers in a system together for a while.

Bledsoe COULD be one of those guys, heck maybe he was with Coates and Glen in NE. Since 2000-2001 until now then he has been on 3 different teams. Since BP has been the coach here we have had 3 different QB's.

Show me the consistancy ?

Now what ? We'll have BP here one more year, playing Bledsoe and who even knows if we'll have an OC...Unbelieveable right ? No but BP is a god and what do I know ?

Then in 2007, no BP and guess what...probably another offensive system implemted by the coach that replaces him. Who will be the QB in 2007 ? Who will be the recievers ? I know, lets start over...AGAIN !!!

BP has always been known for his defensive teams and conservitive offense. Well, he's has really done a fine job rebuilding this defense, I credit him for that.

So I have 2 answers or should I say ideas for 2006. Hang on here folks.

Thank you for the memories BP. We have a great defensive foundation you have built and we get the idea of quality players and character. Thanks for putting Jeff in the head scout position...another brillant move. Now its time to work on our offense and ST.

So, either hire a OC that you will let implement a good system that either fits our current personel or we aquire (draft & FA) players to fit that scheme. But we must implement the sheme and use it for more than one year and let the players become comfortable with it.

Or, its time to just say goodbye and thank you Bill...and bring a long term coach who can grow this team around him.

Until we have consistancy on the offensive side, players playing together in the same scheme and on the same page. We will be inconsistant on the offensive side of the ball. 3 QB's in 3 years does not cut it...Having no OC on this team does not cut it.

Crap or get off the pot BP. Sign that extension, hire an OC you already trust and let HIM run this offense...Or just move on.

No thats all I have to say about that.

On the nosey!

I don't disagree with a single word...the biggest concern I have is that there is no heir apparent to Parcells. Where is the guy he is grooming? Whether or not Parcells returns next year, it's simply a matter of short time before he leaves. SO where is his successor?

Ya see, that's a Jerry Jones problem too. When Bill was brought on board Jerry should have demanded that one of his responsibilities was to groom a successor....and that he put the team in a position to compete for the long haul, rather than just the present.

I agree about his rebuilding the defense (sort of) but when he walks off, in a year or two, we are either limited to hiring a coach who wants the 3-4....or we have to scrap the 3-4 and start over again. NG either way.

 

[Sitting Bull]

An amazing coincidence... Bledsoe has had bad offensive lines for years...the Dallas line that many felt would be strong this year, was awful.

One of the reasons why is because it's EASY for a defense to rush a guy who has the mobility of a fence post. They know where he is going to be. That makes things VERY simple.

And he performed better than I thought he would, so I'm not a basher...but he simply isn't going to make any offensive line look good.

That is an interesting way to look at it. But our Oline doesn't deserve a free pass for the (mostly) poor job of run blocking. If we run the ball consistently, the defense can't attack Bledsoe the same way and we become the deadly play-action/draw offense that best protects a totem pole QB. Thomas Jones ran wild with Kyle Orton at QB.

 

[Doomsday101]

That is an interesting way to look at it. But our Oline doesn't deserve a free pass for the (mostly) poor job of run blocking. If we run the ball consistently, the defense can't attack Bledsoe the same way and we become the deadly play-action/draw offense that best protects a totem pole QB. Thomas Jones ran wild with Kyle Orton at QB.

I would agree that without a running game it places more pressure on the QB as defenders can pin their ears back and go after the QB and that is exactly what was taking place through most of the season.

 

[Zaxor]

I would agree that without a running game it places more pressure on the QB as defenders can pin their ears back and go after the QB and that is exactly what was taking place through most of the season.

Emmitt would tell you its a lot harder to run if they don't fear the pass

 

[Doomsday101]

Emmitt would tell you its a lot harder to run if they don't fear the pass

It works both ways, sorry Bledsoe was not the problem not when seeing the O-line not blocking anyone. Pettitie was getting his butt handed to him just as well with Tucker. Sorry if you can't see that then there is nothing to really talk about. It starts up front and our guys up front by any standard did a p!ss poor job.

 

[Zaxor]

It works both ways, sorry Bledsoe was not the problem not when seeing the O-line not blocking anyone. Pettitie was getting his butt handed to him just as well with Tucker. Sorry if you can't see that then there is nothing to really talk about. It starts up front and our guys up front by any standard did a p!ss poor job.

The O-line does have problems and has had problems for year and years now

Bledsoe just exasperates the problem...Sorry if you can't see that then there is nothing to really talk about.

 

[Doomsday101]

The O-line does have problems and has had problems for year and years now

Bledsoe just exasperates the problem...Sorry if you can't see that then there is nothing to really talk about.

When the QB is getting under 2.5 sec to throw the ball then that is not on the QB. I doubt many QB's would have much success behind that sorry excuse of an Oline, we can't block in the run game and we can't block in the pass game simple as that!!!

 

[Jarv]

When the QB is getting under 2.5 sec to throw the ball then that is not on the QB. I doubt many QB's would have much success behind that sorry excuse of an Oline, we can't block in the run game and we can't block in the pass game simple as that!!!

Dooms, we admit the line was a problem, but so is Bledsoe.

I would put it as a combination of the two...the line and Bledsoe...and not just blame one enity for all of the problems.

 

[Zaxor]

When the QB is getting under 2.5 sec to throw the ball then that is not on the QB. I doubt many QB's would have much success behind that sorry excuse of an Oline, we can't block in the run game and we can't block in the pass game simple as that!!!

now ask yourself this if the QB had a little wiggle to him could he have bought himself another .5 seconds needed...or if the Defense did not know exactly where Bledsoe would be could it have bought him another .5 seconds.. or ask yourself this if the Defense was worried about the quick hitters (slants and such) would it have bought him that much needed .5 seconds

Bledsoe puts too much pressure on an entire team but mostly on the O-line

oh and Bledsoe steps into sacks like no other QB I have ever seen

 

[Doomsday101]

Dooms, we admit the line was a problem, but so is Bledsoe.

I would put it as a combination of the two...the line and Bledsoe...and not just blame one enity for all of the problems.

I think Bledsoe share in the problem just not the extent of his critics are saying. I'm seeing very poor blocking in all aspects of the game and that is on the Oline no one else. Our Oline is having defenders blow by them with ease and you can blame Bledsoe all day long but if this line is not fixed it really does not matter who your QB is the offense will still have major problems until this line is overhauled.

 

[Doomsday101]

now ask yourself this if the QB had a little wiggle to him could he have bought himself another .5 seconds needed...or if the Defense did not know exactly where Bledsoe would be could it have bought him another .5 seconds.. or ask yourself this if the Defense was worried about the quick hitters (slants and such) would it have bought him that much needed .5 seconds

Bledsoe puts too much pressure on an entire team but mostly on the O-line

oh and Bledsoe steps into sacks like no other QB I have ever seen

Dallas has rolled him out and at times he has been able to sidestep to get a pass off but too many defenders in the backfield as we have had for the most part this season will kill any offense or player or scheme. It really does not matter who your skill players are if the guys up front can't do their jobs.