Twitter: Would you trade for Robert Quinn?

[quickccc]

Why didn't we keep him after the 2019 season?

If the issue was the cap, then how could we afford him now?

- We still already had Gregory, who the organization was gonna back, support and further invest in. Thought to be a similar impact edge rusher.
- We were not gonna go all out and get into bidding war with other NFL teams for Quinn's services.
- Quinn was seen as a one dimensional player - great speed rusher who struggles vs run.
- We did receive a draft compensatory pick for Quinn's departure.

-The issue is not cap, the Rams are proving that. If Cowboys wanted to keep Quinn, they could've manipulated the NFL's cap to re-sign Quinn.
As Always, it's a matter of who they really are committed to keep as must have core players, ..and who they could care less about moving on in FA. (ala Quinn, Byron Jones, etc)

 

[lostar2009]

I would give up at late round pick for him. Grab him and bring in Barr and I think this D is set. But I dont think Quinn is big on Quinn.

 

[xwalker]

I'll bring Williams into that discussion comparison mix vs Quinn.
But not Fowler .. and definitely not Armstrong.

- Twice in his career, Quinn has had 19 and 18 sack seasons, When it comes to pure edge pass rushing, he's tops among NFL best.
Armstrong will never have half of those type single seasons, and he's not nowhere close to that kind of impact pass rusher.

- Fowler has had an 11 sack season under Wade Phillips, but it's also has to be a reason why he was available on the street, for such a surprising cheap
bargain one year deal price.
That being said, for his speed rushing edge style, ... being part of a Hybrid rotation Quinn scheme, and the price we got him for, i have no qualms
at all about Fowler being here.

The Cowboys acquired Quinn for 1 year, 6M with a 6th round pick

They acquired Fowler as a free agent for 1 year, 3M.

Robert Quinn would never have an 18 sack season with Dan Quinn as his D-Coordinator, because Robert Quinn is a terrible run defender.
- His snaps would be limited with Dan Quinn as DC because somebody else would play base downs.

 

[JoeKing]

Yes, I would trade the OP for Robert Quinn. Just saying.

 

[Denim Chicken]

The Cowboys would inherit his base salaries:
2022: 12.8M
2023: 13,9M
2024: 12.9M

He won't be a part-time pass rush specialist for any team at those numbers.

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He's already holding out from that contract. Dont think that would change here.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The Cowboys would inherit his base salaries:
2022: 12.8M
2023: 13,9M
2024: 12.9M

He won't be a part-time pass rush specialist for any team at those numbers.

The year he played for the Cowboys, he was the worst run defending DE that they've had since George Selvie had to replace an injured Anthony Spender in 2013.

There must be a reason that he has changed teams continuously.

Dante Fowler reminds me of Quinn. Fowler had 11.5 sacks in 2019.
- He is a good pass rusher when healthy, but has never been a quality run defender.
- His best year of run defense was in 2020 with Dan Quinn.
- Fowler is the pass rush specialist.
- Armstrong will be the base downs run defending RDE and Sam Williams & Fowler will rotate on passing downs.
- Dan Quinn will have some packages where they're all on the field.
- Quinn's 5-man DL which he started using at times late last season, used 4 DEs and 1 DT.
- DLaw & Armstrong will be the inside DEs and SW/Fowler will be the outside Stand-Up DEs that 'look' like 3-4 OLBs.

Issue with Fowler is that the 1 singular season everyone brings up was not with Dan Quinn, it was when teams were triple teaming both Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh.

The other 5 years of his career he averages 5 sacks a season. He is a pass rush specialist the way that Demarcus Lawrence is a pass rush specialist. He had a good sack season many years ago too.

Whereas Robert Quinn has seasons of 11.5, 10.5, 10.5, 8.5, 19.0 and 18.5 just last year. He’s extremely consistent, still only 31, and there’s a reason you won the Dante Fowler “sweepstakes” at 2.9m. He will be a backup, part-time pass rusher. I don’t think these two players are even close to comparable.

 

[75boyz]

It now seems as though it was a free agency offseason signng period that never happened.

Remember?

Reggie Cobb, Michael Bennett and Robert Quinn signing to short/prove it deals and whose performance "far exceeded" their contracts.

Seems like it never happened what with all the scrubs of Poe, Clinton-Dix, and Griffens to sign on after that .
Make ya forget real quick.

Now the FA criteria is to sign busts,injury prone or old/past their prime stop gaps.

But yeah to answer the OP, I'd trade for Quinn. But the Cowboys luck would be that his performance would take a cliff dive before the contracts ink was dry.

Luck probably couldnt strike twice.

 

[jazzcat22]

Dante Fowler has many similarities to Robert Quinn.
- Similar build.
- Both have played 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE.
- Both have had high sack seasons and minimal sack seasons.
- Both are sub-par run defenders.
- Both are best utilized as pass rush specialists to minimize the run defense issues.

Year …....... Quinn ... Fowler
2016 …......... 4 …......... 4
2017 …......... 8.5 …...... 8
2018 …......... 6.5 …...... 4
2019 …......... 11.5 …... 11.5
2020 …......... 2 …......... 3
2021 …......... 18.5 ….... 4.5

2022 Base Salary:
Quinn: 12.8M
Fowler: 2.5M plus 500K in incentives.

Chicago allowed Quinn to rush the passer with minimal regard for run defense.
- Marinelli did the same with Quinn in 2019.

Fowler had injury issues in 2020 that lingered into 2021.

DLaw & Armstrong will play base downs (run downs).
- Sam Williams and Fowler will rotate on passing downs.

Even if the Cowboys had Robert Quinn on the roster, Dan Quinn would not play him on run downs.
- In a pass rush specialist role, Fowler has similar potential to Robert Quinn.
- Robert Quinn would not be happy if relegated to a non-starter pass rush specialist role.

Summary: Robert Quinn has more value to a team like Chicago in 2021 or Cowboys in 2019 with Marinelli than to teams that would relegate him to pass rush specialist.

Great post.
So I stick to my post that Armstrong and Williams and Fowler will be just fine and need to play. Fowler needs to stay healthy though. And as a group, they can exceed Gregory's production.

 

[xwalker]

Great post.
So I stick to my post that Armstrong and Williams and Fowler will be just fine and need to play. Fowler needs to stay healthy though. And as a group, they can exceed Gregory's production.

If Dan Quinn had known that they would draft Sam Williams and sign Fowler, I don't think he would have wanted to re-sign Gregory.

Conspiracy Theory:
- I don't think Stephen Jones wanted to re-sign Gregory.
- SJ knew that Gregory was a favorite of Jerry; therefore, SJ intentionally irritated Gregory and his agent.
- That made it appear to Jerry that Gregory made the decision to leave.

 

[john van brocklin]

Notice his 2022 salary isn't bad @ $12.8M.



Matt Eberflus on Robert Quinn’s unexcused absence: We hoped he would be here
Posted by Charean Williams on June 14, 2022, 4:28 PM EDT


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-unexcused-absence-we-hoped-he-would-be-here/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/robert-quinn-7729/

Depends on his cap cost....
And Draft pick cost as well...

 

[xwalker]

Issue with Fowler is that the 1 singular season everyone brings up was not with Dan Quinn, it was when teams were triple teaming both Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh.

The other 5 years of his career he averages 5 sacks a season. He is a pass rush specialist the way that Demarcus Lawrence is a pass rush specialist. He had a good sack season many years ago too.

Whereas Robert Quinn has seasons of 11.5, 10.5, 10.5, 8.5, 19.0 and 18.5 just last year. He’s extremely consistent, still only 31, and there’s a reason you won the Dante Fowler “sweepstakes” at 2.9m. He will be a backup, part-time pass rusher. I don’t think these two players are even close to comparable.

I posted the comparison or Quinn/Fowler for all years of Fowler's career:

They were almost identical, except for 2021.

Year …....... Quinn ... Fowler
2016 …......... 4 …......... 4
2017 …......... 8.5 …...... 8
2018 …......... 6.5 …...... 4
2019 …......... 11.5 …... 11.5
2020 …......... 2 …......... 3
2021 …......... 18.5 ….... 4.5

 

[tyke1doe]

No. We aren't a turnstile.

 

[Cowboyny]

Yea, I was trying to figure out his value.......3rd, 4th, 5th????? No idea

After the season he just had, you would think the Bears would seek a day 2 pick, that's too rich for the Cowboys.

 

[Havic]

I would give up at late round pick for him. Grab him and bring in Barr and I think this D is set. But I dont think Quinn is big on Quinn.

Even if we passed on Quinn, I'd still like to bring in Barr for a look.

 

[Risen Star]

No. We already have similar type players in Dante Fowler and Dorance Armstrong.

Quinn has over 100 sacks in his career and had 18.5 last year. What in God's name are you talking about?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I posted the comparison or Quinn/Fowler for all years of Fowler's career:

They were almost identical, except for 2021.

Year …....... Quinn ... Fowler
2016 …......... 4 …......... 4
2017 …......... 8.5 …...... 8
2018 …......... 6.5 …...... 4
2019 …......... 11.5 …... 11.5
2020 …......... 2 …......... 3
2021 …......... 18.5 ….... 4.5

That first 4 sack season was when Quinn missed half a year due to injury. Fowler was getting 3 and 4 sacks in full years, so it’s not just 2021 that’s an anomaly in this comparison.

Part of what’s being omitted there is Quinn had 11.5 for the Cowboys. He had 18.5 for the Bears, he had 8.5 for the Dolphins, he had 19 in the pre-Donald Rams. He is producing in every single system he’s put in. He’s reliable production.

Fowler was not producing under Quinn in Atlanta, and he had 1 sole year in Jacksonville where he had more than 4 sacks. 8 sacks is a huge success story for him there. That’s less than half of what Quinn did last year. They traded him to LA because he was a bust.

Jacksonville dumped him. Atlanta’s big contract with him was a complete failure. You have him at 2.9m$ because that was his best valuation around the league. When you traded for Quinn, that ended up being a steal. When Chicago got a 18 sack player for what they did, that ended up being a steal. The narratives are not wrong in this comparison.

There is Aaron Donald Dante Fowler and no Aaron Donald Dante Fowler. They are two very different players.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Dante Fowler has many similarities to Robert Quinn.
- Similar build.
- Both have played 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE.
- Both have had high sack seasons and minimal sack seasons.
- Both are sub-par run defenders.
- Both are best utilized as pass rush specialists to minimize the run defense issues.

Year …....... Quinn ... Fowler
2016 …......... 4 …......... 4
2017 …......... 8.5 …...... 8
2018 …......... 6.5 …...... 4
2019 …......... 11.5 …... 11.5
2020 …......... 2 …......... 3
2021 …......... 18.5 ….... 4.5

2022 Base Salary:
Quinn: 12.8M
Fowler: 2.5M plus 500K in incentives.

Chicago allowed Quinn to rush the passer with minimal regard for run defense.
- Marinelli did the same with Quinn in 2019.

Fowler had injury issues in 2020 that lingered into 2021.

DLaw & Armstrong will play base downs (run downs).
- Sam Williams and Fowler will rotate on passing downs.

Even if the Cowboys had Robert Quinn on the roster, Dan Quinn would not play him on run downs.
- In a pass rush specialist role, Fowler has similar potential to Robert Quinn.
- Robert Quinn would not be happy if relegated to a non-starter pass rush specialist role.

Summary: Robert Quinn has more value to a team like Chicago in 2021 or Cowboys in 2019 with Marinelli than to teams that would relegate him to pass rush specialist.

I'm on board with everything you said... it's too bad because (totally putting numbers aside) I really liked seeing Robert Quinn on the field when he played here. I loved the swagger. Some have swagger just to be arrogant. I didn't get that from him. in my opinion, His swagger was from putting his heart and soul into the game.

 

[xwalker]

That first 4 sack season was when Quinn missed half a year due to injury. Fowler was getting 3 and 4 sacks in full years, so it’s not just 2021 that’s an anomaly in this comparison.

Part of what’s being omitted there is Quinn he 11.5 for the Cowboys. He had 18.5 for the Bears, he had 8.5 for the Dolphins, he had 19 in the pre-Donald Rams. He is producing in every single system he’s put in. He’s reliable production.

Fowler was not producing under Quinn in Atlanta, and he had 1 sole year in Jacksonville where he had more than 4 sacks. 8 sacks is a huge success story for him there. That’s less than half of what Quinn did last year. They traded him to LA because he was a bust.

There is Aaron Donald Dante Fowler and no Aaron Donald Dante Fowler. They are two very different players.

During the span of Fowler's career, the difference has been minimal except in 2021.

Fowler had never missed a game due to injury until 2020, the year with Dan Quinn.
- I've reviewed his games from that season.
- He was a much better player before the 1st injury issue occurred.

Year ….... Quinn - Fowler
2016 …......... 0
2017 …......... 0.5
2018 …......... 2.5
2019 …......... 0
2020 …......... -1
2021 …......... 14

 

[blueblood70]

I posted the comparison or Quinn/Fowler for all years of Fowler's career:

They were almost identical, except for 2021.

Year …....... Quinn ... Fowler
2016 …......... 4 …......... 4
2017 …......... 8.5 …...... 8
2018 …......... 6.5 …...... 4
2019 …......... 11.5 …... 11.5
2020 …......... 2 …......... 3
2021 …......... 18.5 ….... 4.5

yup my sentiments as well..fans are discounting Fowler and im not sure why,,hes as good as Gregory and more available over his career and if close to Quinn why go get quin for that kind of money.

I believe fans will be surprised as they were with Kearse and Hooker and they got resigned this year..just because the FO didn't overpay in FA doesn't mean the FAS suck!

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

During the span of Fowler's career, the difference has been minimal except in 2021.

Fowler had never missed a game due to injury until 2020, the year with Dan Quinn.
- I've reviewed his games from that season.
- He was a much better player before the 1st injury issue occurred.

Year ….... Quinn - Fowler
2016 …......... 0
2017 …......... 0.5
2018 …......... 2.5
2019 …......... 0
2020 …......... -1
2021 …......... 14

So you’re saying a healthy player who doesn’t produce is equal to a highly producing player who missed half a season 6 years ago?

Lets break it down into 3 Categories:

Overall careers:
Quinn - 11 sacks per 17 games
Fowler - 7 sacks per 17 games

Your last 6 seasons narrative:
Quinn - 10 sacks per 17 games
Fowler - 7 sacks per 17 games

Or more relevant, last 3 season. Robert Quinn since he got traded to Dallas, which lines up nicely with Fowler Post-Donald and with him teaming with Dan Quinn:
Quinn - 10.7 sacks per 17 games
Fowler - 6.3 sacks per 17 games

Should we now do last 2 seasons? Just last season?
You have to ignore some serious context to proclaim those two players are producing on the same level.