Wow, Refs Handed Game To Pats

[Doomsday101]

How does the difference in penalties NOT have anything to do with it?

Your whole argument is predicated on the fact that everytime a foul was committed, it was called, and that too, legitimately. That does not take into account fouls where referees turned a blind eye. Or fouls where refs simply ignored, but happened to call at crucial times of the game. Even the Ravens complained about the lack of consistency in the calling.

Further, even if the Ravens hurt themselves in the end, it still does not predicate that the refs didn't influence the outcome of the game. It could simply means that the Ravens almost overcame odds that were stacked against them, the third team, i.e. the refs.

Teams get flagged when the commit a foul, it has nothing to do with the refs making sure both teams get an equal amount of flags. That is stupid "oh let’s make sure we throw a few on them to equal things up" Come on you commit the foul you get a flag simple as that. The refs did nothing wrong in this game. Ravens were grabbing WR and it has to be called simple as that and if you don't get that then what you are looking for has nothing to do with fairness it has to do with your own bias.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Even the Ravens complained about the lack of consistency in the calling.

As if the Ravens are the final source of unbiased opinion on their own game.

 

[khiladi]

Teams get flagged when the commit a foul, it has nothing to do with the refs making sure both teams get an equal amount of flags. That is stupid "oh let’s make sure we throw a few on them to equal things up" Come on you commit the foul you get a flag simple as that. The refs did nothing wrong in this game. Ravens were grabbing WR and it has to be called simple as that and if you don't get that then what you are looking for has nothing to do with fairness it has to do with your own bias.

Nice how you just flatly contradicted yourself. If Teams get flagged when they commit fouls, then how come the Ravens weren't getting flagged for grabbing WRs? According to your logic, the Ravens should have been flagged, because teams always get flagged when they commit fouls.

 

[khiladi]

Even the Ravens complained about the lack of consistency in the calling.

As if the Ravens are the final source of unbiased opinion on their own game.

Actually, it is admitting that they were committing what can be considered penalties per the letter of the law. But, everybody was doing it the whole game, and the refs were ignoring it. When it came down to an actual win or loss, the bias crept in. The numbers speak for themselves, i.e. the Ravens were out-penalized by a significant margin over the Patriots, just as the Cowboys were. And the penalties, in both cases, were at crucial points in the game, from the Randy Moss PI by Watkins, to the stops by the Ravens on 4th down. The timing of these penalties were momentum killers.

Timing has everything to do with penalties reflecting a bias.

 

[Doomsday101]

Nice how you just flatly contradicted yourself. If Teams get flagged when they commit fouls, then how come the Ravens weren't getting flagged for grabbing WRs? According to your logic, the Ravens should have been flagged, because teams always get flagged when they commit fouls.

When Raven players held they did get flagged I said nothing about ALWAYS those are your words not mine. Only flawed logic is this idiotic ideal that somehow the refs should make sure each team gets equal number of flags that you were spouting off about. Refs job is to throw the flag when they see a player committing a foul and they did just that. This BS about how they handed the game to the Pats it pathetic and is nothing but sour grapes. There was nothing unfair about this game

 

[khiladi]

When Raven players held they did get flagged I said nothing about ALWAYS those are your words not mine. Only flawed logic is this idiotic ideal that somehow the refs should make sure each team gets equal number of flags that you were spouting off about. Refs job is to throw the flag when they see a player committing a foul and they did just that. This BS about how they handed the game to the Pats it pathetic and is nothing but sour grapes. There was nothing unfair about this game

When did I say they need to get an equal number of flags? It would be absurd to argue that numbers don't reveal a certain trend of favoritism, especially when the disparity between the numbers is so large.

Your the one that stated that the Ravens were all over the Patriots receivers, and at the same time, telling me that the referees call the fouls without bias. Remember what I stated before:

Or fouls where refs simply ignored, but happened to call at crucial times of the game.

Now tell me, if the refs called them like they saw them, than that would naturally increase the disparity between the Patriots and Ravens in terms of penalties. It would even make it look more lop-sided. Further, it doesn't take into account the timing of the calls, i.e. when shifts in the momentum are happening.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Actually, it is admitting that they were committing what can be considered penalties per the letter of the law. But, everybody was doing it the whole game, and the refs were ignoring it. When it came down to an actual win or loss, the bias crept in. The numbers speak for themselves, i.e. the Ravens were out-penalized by a significant margin over the Patriots, just as the Cowboys were. And the penalties, in both cases, were at crucial points in the game, from the Randy Moss PI by Watkins, to the stops by the Ravens on 4th down. The timing of these penalties were momentum killers.

Timing has everything to do with penalties reflecting a bias.

The league, which does on occasion announce afterward that calls are incorrect, has just announced that the calls in that game were correct. I'm good with that -- some of the calls were questionable and there were more against than for the Ravens towards the end of the game but I put that down as more of a function of the Ravens blowing it and bad luck than some kind of conscious or unconscious bias for the Pats.

 

[Doomsday101]

When did I say they need to get an equal number of flags? It would be absurd to argue that numbers don't reveal a certain trend of favoritism, especially when the disparity between the numbers is so large.

Your the one that stated that the Ravens were all over the Patriots receivers, and at the same time, telling me that the referees call the fouls without bias. Remember what I stated before:



Now tell me, if the refs called them like they saw them, than that would naturally increase the disparity between the Patriots and Ravens in terms of penalties. It would even make it look more lop-sided. Further, it doesn't take into account the timing of the calls, i.e. when shifts in the momentum are happening.

Bottom line is the Refs did not hand the game to them you want to whine and cry about fine I'm sick of this loser mentality to blame the refs whenever the team you are pulling for loses. It is the refs fault bla bla bla. Ravens screwed themselves so you can save the I hate the Pats BS for a change and watch the damn game without the bias attitude. Myself I did not care who won the game one way or the other and while the Raven did some good things to put themselves in a position to win they made too many mistakes down the stretch of their own making there was nothing the refs did other than their job.

 

[khiladi]

Bottom line is the Refs did not hand the game to them you want to whine and cry about fine I'm sick of this loser mentality to blame the refs whenever the team you are pulling for loses. It is the refs fault bla bla bla. Ravens screwed themselves so you can save the I hate the Pats BS for a change and watch the damn game without the bias attitude. Myself I did not care who won the game one way or the other and while the Raven did some good things to put themselves in a position to win they made too many mistakes down the stretch of their own making there was nothing the refs did other than their job.

That is your opinion, and I'm fine with it.

But don't tell me that your opinion is conclusive because you say so. And don't tell me that the Ravens screwing their own chances automatically precludes the refs from having a big hand in the Patriots win. As I said before, that can simply be interpreted as the Ravens almost overcoming another obstacle to win a game that the Patriots did not have to overcome.

Making mistakes is part of the game, because the mistakes are on the players. The bias of referees being a factor in the game should not.

 

[Doomsday101]

That is your opinion, and I'm fine with it.

But don't tell me that your opinion is conclusive because you say so. And don't tell me that the Ravens screwing their own chances automatically precludes the refs from having a big hand in the Patriots win. As I said before, that can simply be interpreted as the Ravens almost overcoming another obstacle to win a game that the Patriots did not have to overcome.

Making mistakes is part of the game, because the mistakes are on the players. The bias of referees being a factor in the game should not.

They were not bias refs calling the game only bias is your own. I saw the game and the calls being made I saw the replays of the flags that where thrown and fact is the calls were legit.

 

[khiladi]

They were not bias refs calling the game only bias is your own. I saw the game and the calls being made I saw the replays of the flags that where thrown and fact is the calls were legit.

Let me repeat it for you one more time:

That is your opinion, but don't tell me that I'm wrong simply because you say so.

As I stated before, your argument is precluded simply upon the fact that those penalties called were legitimate, besides other clear logical fallacies.

 

[Doomsday101]

Let me repeat it for you one more time:

That is your opinion, but don't tell me that I'm wrong simply because you say so.

As I stated before, your argument is precluded simply upon the fact that those penalties called were legitimate, besides other clear logical fallacies.

It has nothing to do with because I say so it is because the calls the refs made where legit calls that is not a fallacy. Obviously you can't watch a game with an open mind your own bias gets in the way. It just gets old to hearing the same lame excuses of blaming refs that some fans have anytime things don't go the way they want it. You don't like the outcome the refs must have had the fix in.