Wow, Refs Handed Game To Pats

[dbair1967]

LOL!

I see. Penalties which favor the Cowboys even though the flag comes out late: not debatable.

Penalties which favor the Pats and allow them to continue their quest for perfect: debatable.

the gripe people had with last nights game is the officiating was bad one way, not both...there are plenty of games where bad calls go both ways...the problem with the Patriots is it seems like the vast majority of "bad" calls go their way

and then there's the stuff that isnt called at all..stuff they get away that other teams are always called for...they must have hit Boller in the head 3 or 4 times last night, not one was called...Vince Wilfork dived right at Boller's lower leg on one play, and that wasnt called either...this is stuff I see called in virtually any other game all the time (especially the shots to the helmet. facemask etc etc)

David

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Did you assume that any conversation on this board had any bearing on anything?

Well, what do you think has been shown, beyond inconsistency between two similar calls in two separate games? Do you think this somehow proves bias?

 

[Rack]

LOL!

I see. Penalties which favor the Cowboys even though the flag comes out late: not debatable.

What does the time the flag was thrown have anything to do with it? It was the correct call whether it was thrown immediately or 10 seconds late.



Not to mention, AGAIN, the defender grabbed Austin with both hands.


Let's see... the defender grabbed with his left hand, then grabbed with his right hand, then tripped Austin w/o looking back at the ball... yeah, seems like interference to me.

 

[theogt]

Well, what do you think has been shown, beyond inconsistency between two similar calls in two separate games? Do you think this somehow proves bias?

No, I'm not sure it proves bias. If that's an incomplete pass, however, the game is over.

What is shows is that the Patriots shouldn't be considered undefeated.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

No, I'm not sure it proves bias. If that's an incomplete pass, however, the game is over.

What is shows is that the Patriots shouldn't be considered undefeated.

I disagree for a few reasons. First, as bad calls go it just wasn't all that. There have been many more egregiously bad calls than that one made towards the ends of close games. Second, the refs and all of their imperfections are part of the game. One way we've tried to reduce these imperfections is by instituting an instant replay system that has over the years itself proven to be quite imperfect. One way we have chosen to try to reduce these imperfections is by including the stipulation that there must be conclusive evidence to overturn the call on the field.

While I'm not at all convinced that the receiver had control of the ball I'm also not at all convinced that there was enough evidence to overturn it. Judging by the mixed responses on this forum alone to this question, I don't think I'm alone.

On balance the calls toward the end went against the Ravens but that's a part of the game. I've seen far worse officiated games, with no talk of not recognizing the outcome.

Like it or not, the Pats are 12-0.

 

[theogt]

I disagree for a few reasons. First, as bad calls go it just wasn't all that. There have been many more egregiously bad calls than that one made towards the ends of close games. Second, the refs and all of their imperfections are part of the game. One way we've tried to reduce these imperfections is by instituting an instant replay system that has over the years itself proven to be quite imperfect. One way we have chosen to try to reduce these imperfections is by including the stipulation that there must be conclusive evidence to overturn the call on the field.

While I'm not at all convinced that the receiver had control of the ball I'm also not at all convinced that there was enough evidence to overturn it. Judging by the mixed responses on this forum alone to this question, I don't think I'm alone.

On balance the calls toward the end went against the Ravens but that's a part of the game. I've seen far worse officiated games, with no talk of not recognizing the outcome.

Like it or not, the Pats are 12-0.

So it's not that you disagree, it's just that you don't think it matters because of other factors.

Eh...in this circumstance it's pretty black and white. If they get this call correct (and the correct call was most certainly an incomplete pass), the Patriots lose. That's the bottom line.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

So it's not that you disagree, it's just that you don't think it matters because of other factors.

Eh...in this circumstance it's pretty black and white. If they get this call correct (and the correct call was most certainly an incomplete pass), the Patriots lose. That's the bottom line.

Sez you.

 

[jimmy40]

You guys just can't accept the fact that the Pats are undefeated.

The refs didn't hand anyone the game. Watson was mugged on that pass interference play. Gaffney caught the ball cleanly; he just switched the ball into a different hand after he went out of bounds.

The Pats won because they're a disciplined team and know how to win. The Ravens lost because they are an undisciplined team.

Your trying to talk sense to people that cry for a week about refs calls in a game we won by 20+.

 

[theogt]

Sez you.

Says the video of the ball moving in his hands.

If you still have it on Tivo or have it downloaded, check out the TO catch in the Packers game late in the 3rd quarter. It's the exact same situation and neither are catches.

 

[jimmy40]

LOL. It's about time the players start talking about the trash that is the Cheats and the obviously biased officiating that they get their way.

Tell some more about how Peyton Manning's fumble against the Pats is proof the NFL is fixed.

 

[Boys009]

You guys just can't accept the fact that the Pats are undefeated.

The refs didn't hand anyone the game. Watson was mugged on that pass interference play. Gaffney caught the ball cleanly; he just switched the ball into a different hand after he went out of bounds.

The Pats won because they're a disciplined team and know how to win. The Ravens lost because they are an undisciplined team.

Did we watch the same game? The timeout and bogus holding call in the end zone handed them that go ahead touchdown. The Ravens dominated the line of scrimmage and ran all over the Pats defense. The Ravens have all the reason in the world to pissed off.

 

[jimmy40]

Its obscene with so much money in the NFL they cannot have full time refs.

Baseball has full time umps, name two that call balls and strikes the same.

 

[lurkercowboy]

So it's not that you disagree, it's just that you don't think it matters because of other factors.

Eh...in this circumstance it's pretty black and white. If they get this call correct (and the correct call was most certainly an incomplete pass), the Patriots lose. That's the bottom line.

That was on a first down play. Even if it was ruled incomplete, the Pats still had at least three more shots at the end zone from a short distance away.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Did we watch the same game? The timeout and bogus holding call in the end zone handed them that go ahead touchdown. The Ravens dominated the line of scrimmage and ran all over the Pats defense. The Ravens have all the reason in the world to pissed off.

In other words, the Ravens couldn't put the Pats away when the Pats made a strong run at the end.

 

[Pats Fan]

The answer to the question is ---------

The Pats should have lost last night, but they did not.

The Cowboys should have lost to the Bills, but they did not.

Both losing teams LOST it when the game was on the line.

No excuses.

It is what good teams do.

When you win, well it is great.

When it is the Pats, well, it's the refs.

Bottom line, the Ravens lost the game all on their own. Dumb, stupid, they should have won.

Your game with the Bills, same statement.

 

[khiladi]

The answer to the question is ---------

The Pats should have lost last night, but they did not.

The Cowboys should have lost to the Bills, but they did not.

Both losing teams LOST it when the game was on the line.

No excuses.

It is what good teams do.

When you win, well it is great.

When it is the Pats, well, it's the refs.

Bottom line, the Ravens lost the game all on their own. Dumb, stupid, they should have won.

Your game with the Bills, same statement.

No, the difference is Dallas overcame it's own mistakes. The Patriots on the other hand, had the refs overcome their own, i.e. a third party.

 

[Doomsday101]

Calls I saw in the game were legit and no one was handed anything. I'm not Pats fan but this blaming the refs because you don't like the Pats is pathetic. Ravens had their chances and blew them. A stupid long pass for an Int what was the QB thinking? and guess what the ref had nothing to do with that. Holding was called late in the game clear as day that too the fault of a raven defender who was beat on the play and resorted to holding. A time out that Ryan called right before the snap was on him not the Refs and of course Scott bonehead play in the endzone after picking up an sportsman violation then adds to it with picking the flag up and throwing it. Ravens played aggressive all game long and in some instances that helped them but they also made way too many mistakes but it was their own mistakes.

 

[khiladi]

Calls I saw in the game were legit and no one was handed anything. I'm not Pats fan but this blaming the refs because you don't like the Pats is pathetic.

Fundamental flaws in your logic include:

1. Refs can NOT call penalties that ARE penalties
2. Just because I hate the Pats, and blame the refs, doesn't automatically preclude the refs didn't influence the game. I can hate the Pats and blame the refs, and be right in my assessment. It just means my observations confirm my emotions.
3. Timing also affects the nature of the penalty, which your not assessing.

What was the number difference between the number of penalties called between the Ravens and Patriots?

And my comment was on the baseless analogy between the Buffalo game and the Ravens game. Tony Romo gave them 3 interceptions, and they didn't get any questionable calls that kept drives alive in the last minute. They overcame their own mistakes.

 

[Doomsday101]

Fundamental flaws in your logic include:

1. Refs can NOT call penalties that ARE penalties
2. Just because I hate the Pats, and blame the refs, doesn't automatically preclude the refs didn't influence the game. I can hate the Pats and blame the refs, and be right in my assessment. It just means my observations confirm my emotions.
3. Timing also affects the nature of the penalty, which your not assessing.

What was the number difference between the number of penalties called between the Ravens and Patriots?

And my comment was on the baseless analogy between the Buffalo game and the Ravens game. Tony Romo gave them 3 interceptions, and they didn't get any questionable calls that kept drives alive in the last minute. They overcame their own mistakes.

I watched the game there was nothing wrong with the refs. I was pulling for the Ravens but in the end it was the ravens who hurt themselfs not the refs. As for the differance between the penalties called between the Raven and Pats has nothing to do with anything, the Raven made more mistakes and were called on them this not about throwing and even number of flags. You committ a foul you get called on it. I get sick and tired of this blame the ref BS everytime the team people want to win loses. It is the 1st excuse people use oh the ref cost us the game. It is called the losers motto!! Not our fault the ref did it. Give me a break!!!

 

[Pats Fan]

Fundamental flaws in your logic include:

1. Refs can NOT call penalties that ARE penalties
2. Just because I hate the Pats, and blame the refs, doesn't automatically preclude the refs didn't influence the game. I can hate the Pats and blame the refs, and be right in my assessment. It just means my observations confirm my emotions.
3. Timing also affects the nature of the penalty, which your not assessing.

What was the number difference between the number of penalties called between the Ravens and Patriots?

And my comment was on the baseless analogy between the Buffalo game and the Ravens game. Tony Romo gave them 3 interceptions, and they didn't get any questionable calls that kept drives alive in the last minute. They overcame their own mistakes.

You do not have one objective thought in your mind. It is closed.

Don't give me the facts, they do not count, it is what I say. Oh, zzzzzzzzzzz.

I am going to assume you are so young you never lived enough to realize anything outside of your narrow mind.

Now, if it was YOUR team then you would think different.

Ravens defense, just tackle every WR that goes out on a route. Our team was not just mauled, they were tackled before they even started their route.

You, my friend would be in an uproar if it was the Boys.

As far as the Pats, we are called for everything they can call. And whoever the team we are playing is given total latitude.

If it was a level playing field we would have kicked their butts.