WR In the First Round Is a Horrible Idea

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FuzzyLumpkins;1436987 said:
Dont deign to present my argument for me. You completely missed the boat. did you ever stop and wonder why OT and DE were selected for the comparison? Its because both are equal or greater needs than WR for our team.

really? OT is a greater need than WR? both our starting WRs are over 32, 1 is a ticking time bomb, the other has a degenerative knee

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If a WR, DE, or OT are there, we should NOT pick the WR.

what a blanket, stupid statement
 

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Oh i get it you want to bring up my personal life over and over again its okay but now that we know you live with mom despite recent claims to the opposite you just want to ignore it. thats cute, hypocrite.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1437012 said:
Oh i get it you want to bring up my personal life over and over again its okay but now that we know you live with mom despite recent claims to the opposite you just want to ignore it. thats cute, hypocrite.

who was the 1st person to bring up their personal life on here? you put your foot in your mouth, deal w/ the consequences, but you can keep saying I live w/ my parents, just address the topic I brought up too
 

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Bob Sacamano;1437011 said:
I don't live w/ my parents

NFL teams don't choose OTs over WRs, let's stay on track

well then when she invited me over for dinner how were you going to be there, summer?

id post the original part but its so filled with your profanity filled tirade it wouldnt really make sense or get me banned.

youre a liar summer. and summer i am staying on track. you want to discuss personal lives so it fits right into the discussion.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1437013 said:
who was the 1st person to bring up their personal life on here? you put your foot in your mouth, deal w/ the consequences, but you can keep saying I live w/ my parents, just address the topic I brought up too

Appeal to Popularity (Ad Populum)




Description:

The argument supports a position by appealing to the shared opinion of a large group of people - the majority, the general public, etc. The presumed authority comes solely from the size, not the credentials, of the group cited.



Comments:


Some typical ways to express this fallacy will be familiar to anyone who watches television: "the most widely sold..." or "America's favorite..." The phrase "ad populum" is a Latin phrase meaning "(appeal) to the public (or community)."



Examples:


"I'm a pepper; he's a pepper; she's a pepper; we're all peppers! You can be a pepper, too!"
--1980s Dr. Pepper jingle



"Do you not consider yourself already refuted, Socrates, when you put forward views that nobody would accept? Why, ask anyone present!"
--Plato, The Gorgias




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Truth is not democratic. One person can reason as well as a hundred, and a hundred people can be just as wrong as one. A position is not necessarily true merely because it is held by a lot of people, nor is a position necessarily false merely because it is held by only a few. When Einstein was advocating pacifism, a group of fellow scientists tried to counter his influence by stating their opposition to pacifism. They published a collection of essays titled One Hundred Scientists Against Einstein. When Einstein heard the title, he remarked, "If I were wrong, one would have been enough."
However, the Ad Populum fallacy certainly has a powerful psychological effect - sometimes known as the "bandwagon effect." And there are good reasons for this. Generally, following the predominant opinion of the inquiring community is not a bad idea. In the first place, it is certainly true that errors in reasoning are less likely to occur if the reasoning has been checked many times. One accountant may make a mistake or two. A second accountant might catch some of those mistakes. By the time a hundred accountants have gone over the books, few if any mistakes will remain. Hence, there are good grounds for supposing that if many people hold a position, the position is likely to be true. Moreover, in my view, being rational at all means appealing to reasons (and forms of reasoning) that pass public muster. An individual may have idiosyncratic reasons for his beliefs. He becomes a rational thinker when he realizes that he must persuade not only himself, but anyone who examines his reasons. Hence, the test of valid reasoning is its ability to stand up to public scrutiny. Truth is not democratic; but reasoning must be done in public.

The Ad Populum fallacy exploits the public nature of reasoning. However, the fallacy confuses the distinction between a popular (and often unthinking) acceptance of a particular conclusion with a public acknowledgment of the principles by which conclusions should be reached. Sometimes the fallacy is even used to draw conclusions about matters that really are just matters of personal taste (e.g. which soft drink you should prefer), thus confusing the public nature of reasoning with private questions of taste.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1437014 said:
well then when she invited me over for dinner how were you going to be there, summer?

I'm a young guy who waits tables, so I'm over there alot eating their food, so it was only natural that I be there when you come over for dinner

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id post the original part but its so filled with your profanity filled tirade it wouldnt really make sense or get me banned.

you could post it Fuzzy, but noone would care

FuzzyLumpkins said:
youre a liar summer. and summer i am staying on track. you want to discuss personal lives so it fits right into the discussion.

you mean you can't insult and refute points? boy are you limited, no wonder you can't keep your fake story straight
 

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Description of Appeal to Common Practice
The Appeal to Common Practice is a fallacy with the following structure:


X is a common action.
Therefore X is correct/moral/justified/reasonable, etc.
The basic idea behind the fallacy is that the fact that most people do X is used as "evidence" to support the action or practice. It is a fallacy because the mere fact that most people do something does not make it correct, moral, justified, or reasonable.

An appeal to fair play, which might seem to be an appeal to common practice, need not be a fallacy. For example, a woman working in an office might say "the men who do the same job as me get paid more than I do, so it would be right for me to get paid the same as them." This would not be a fallacy as long as there was no relevant difference between her and the men (in terms of ability, experience, hours worked, etc.). More formally:


It is common practice to treat people of type Y in manner X and to treat people of type Z in a different manner.
There is no relevant difference between people of type Y and type Z.
Therefore people of type Z should be treated in manner X, too.
This argument rests heavily on the principle of relevant difference. On this principle two people, A and B, can only be treated differently if and only if there is a relevant difference between them. For example, it would be fine for me to give a better grade to A than B if A did better work than B. However, it would be wrong of me to give A a better grade than B simply because A has red hair and B has blonde hair.

There might be some cases in which the fact that most people accept X as moral entails that X is moral. For example, one view of morality is that morality is relative to the practices of a culture, time, person, etc. If what is moral is determined by what is commonly practiced, then this argument:


Most people do X.
Therefore X is morally correct.
would not be a fallacy. This would however entail some odd results. For example, imagine that thereare only 100 people on earth. 60 of them do not steal or cheat and 40 do. At this time, stealing and cheating would be wrong. The next day, a natural disaster kills 30 of the 60 people who do not cheat or steal. Now it is morally correct to cheat and steal. Thus, it would be possible to change the moral order of the world to one's view simply by eliminating those who disagree.

Examples of Appeal to Common Practice

Director Jones is in charge of running a state waste management program. When it is found that the program is rife with corruption, Jones says "This program has its problems, but nothing goes on in this program that doesn't go on in all state programs."

"Yeah, I know some people say that cheating on tests is wrong. But we all know that everyone does it, so it's okay."

"Sure, some people buy into that equality crap. However, we know that everyone pays women less then men. It's okay, too. Since everyone does it, it can't really be wrong."

"There is nothing wrong with requiring multicultural classes, even at the expense of core subjects. After all, all of the universities and colleges are pushing multiculturalism."
 

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Bob Sacamano;1437016 said:
I'm a young guy who waits tables, so I'm over there alot eating their food, so it was only natural that I be there when you come over for dinner



you could post it Fuzzy, but noone would care



you mean you can't insult and refute points? boy are you limited, no wonder you can't keep your fake story straight

sure you are, summer, sure you are. :rolleyes:

your argument is stupid and at this point been discussed ad nauseum thats why im ignoring it. see the above two posts.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1437015 said:
Appeal to Popularity (Ad Populum)




Description:

The argument supports a position by appealing to the shared opinion of a large group of people - the majority, the general public, etc. The presumed authority comes solely from the size, not the credentials, of the group cited.

so now the NFL teams who take WRs in the 1st round have no credentials?


Fuzzy said:
The Ad Populum fallacy exploits the public nature of reasoning. However, the fallacy confuses the distinction between a popular (and often unthinking) acceptance of a particular conclusion with a public acknowledgment of the principles by which conclusions should be reached. Sometimes the fallacy is even used to draw conclusions about matters that really are just matters of personal taste (e.g. which soft drink you should prefer), thus confusing the public nature of reasoning with private questions of taste.

so NFL teams aren't thinking?
 

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Bob Sacamano;1437020 said:
:lmao2: so, lemme get this straight, even though WR is a riskier position to draft in the 1st round, more WRs are still taken in the 1st than OTs, that's stupid? I guess NFL teams are stupid then

you truly are ignorant. WR could be picked every choice that would not make it a wise decision. i dont bandwagon.

and let me get this straight. you work at a restaurant where they serve dinner when most waiters make their money and well they serve food yet you go home for dinner for food? kk summer that makes a lot of sense.
 

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Dang 37 page thread???:eek: Can I get the cliff notes??? Do I really want em???:lmao:
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1437017 said:
Examples of Appeal to Common Practice

Director Jones is in charge of running a state waste management program. When it is found that the program is rife with corruption, Jones says "This program has its problems, but nothing goes on in this program that doesn't go on in all state programs."

"Yeah, I know some people say that cheating on tests is wrong. But we all know that everyone does it, so it's okay."

"Sure, some people buy into that equality crap. However, we know that everyone pays women less then men. It's okay, too. Since everyone does it, it can't really be wrong."

"There is nothing wrong with requiring multicultural classes, even at the expense of core subjects. After all, all of the universities and colleges are pushing multiculturalism."

this is just stupid to use here, since the examples stated are for ethical decisions, drafting a WR is far from an ethical decision
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1437022 said:
you truly are ignorant. WR could be picked every choice that would not make it a wise decision. i dont bandwagon.

and let me get this straight. you work at a restaurant where they serve dinner when most waiters make their money and well they serve food yet you go home for dinner for food? kk summer that makes a lot of sense.

uh Fuzzy, you still have to pay to eat there, albeit at a discounted price

why pay when you can get food for free?
 

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Bob Sacamano;1437021 said:
so now the NFL teams who take WRs in the 1st round have no credentials?




so NFL teams aren't thinking?

it has more to do with the common practice fallacy than popularity.

well then tehre is the whole thing about how you have no proof that all NFL team coaches scouts and GMs think this.

matt millen thinks its a good idea though that sure bodes well.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1437026 said:
it has more to do with the common practice fallacy than popularity.

if there are hits, it cannot be a fallacy

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well then tehre is the whole thing about how you have no proof that all NFL team coaches scouts and GMs think this.

matt millen thinks its a good idea though that sure bodes well.

the proof is that more WRs have been taken, on average, over the last 5 1st rounds, than OT

the point is that 3 more teams don't think it's a horrible decision to draft a WR instead of an OT
 

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Bob Sacamano;1437025 said:
uh Fuzzy, you still have to pay to eat there, albeit at a discounted price

why pay when you can get food for free?

i hav been a waiter and i have known many waiters during my time. you dont make money working the lunch shift. sorry.

that and i made direct reference to it and you didnt deny it then yet now you are how interesting
 

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Bob Sacamano;1437027 said:
if there are hits, it cannot be a fallacy



the proof is that more WRs have been taken, on average, over the last 5 1st rounds, than OT

the point is that 3 more teams don't think it's a horrible decision to draft a WR instead of an OT

and ther have been more busts for those WRs thus them choosing to do that was a bad idea.

again just because teams do it does not make it a good idea.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1437028 said:
i hav been a waiter and i have known many waiters during my time. you dont make money working the lunch shift. sorry.

that and i made direct reference to it and you didnt deny it then yet now you are how interesting

I work at a restaurant in historic Annapolis
 
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